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Browsing through CL last week I run across an ad for a "Hydro Wheel horse"I got a vague pic on my phone and it looks wretched.I venture out into the ice packed high country hills of Dimmock township PA and find a C160 auto frozen in a shed.Been there a year and ain't been started.The relief valve on the ol girl would budge and I had 50 yards of straight up hill icy driveway to conquer.I gave up!lol.He put a charge on the battery,I found my way back to his backwoods estate and this ol girl fired right up and drove herself on the truck.Came with a vgc rear discharge 43" deck but then he told me he abandoned a rototiller and snowblower at his last house!grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr I am goin through this sweetie and giving it some love cause this is the first sundstrand with the parking pawl intact of the 20 or so I've had!woot woot!

Well it started snowing here around 5:30 am today. I cleaned off the drive about two hours ago and you would not know I was even out there when looking out the window! I used the 1963 Wheel Horse 633 and she amazed me several times when pushing a very heavy load of snow!

Another vote for the hand warmer packs. I don't really know why but the last few years my hands start to ache like hell when they get cold. The hand warmers help a lot, as does a liberal dose of Jack Daniels afterwards.

I think I have snow pushed 12 feet into the yard on each side of the 24 foot wide concrete drive! Just finished the second round! Moved another 4 inches. We have every bit of 10 to 12 inches of snow! We used the broom on the dogwoods because the limbs were about to the ground! And it is raining 45 miles southwest of here? Crazy!

Made my annual run to the after holiday RIte Aid toy sale. Picked up a few goodies for the kiddies next year

Had the 314 out yesterday plowing & it kicked azz The brake pedal conversion worked great, the new chains bit without spinning once & the flashing taillights kept me safe ( as if they couldn't see my fat azz on a big red tractor, but better safe than sorry ) Yea I know the drill ...pics...pics...pics Brake pedal & linkage removed New brake linkage install on clutch arm & adj. up. A return spring added to help the cheesy damper thingy Click on video of lights Its a little different working out of a wheel chair, but we gotter done !!!! Chasm

Howdo all, welcome to my first blog.. Of any kind as it happens. Hopefully I can get it right As you may of guessed from the blog title, it's all about video making. Something I love doing if you hadn't guessed already.. Over time I will post up all sorts of (hopefully) interesting video making ramblings such as editing software, which cameras I use and other equipment. Hints and tips, that sort of thing. I hope this blog will inspire some of you to make videos, and have fun doing so.. Of course the opposite is possible So other than introducing you all to my blog, what else will I be putting in this first entry? Well, as it happens I need your help... I'm working on a video series all about promoting RedSquare and RedSquare members videos No hint's on what it is called yet, I hope all of you like it when it hit's a computer screen near you.. So what do I need help with? Video's of course.. If you think promoting RedSquare and your video's is your sort of thing please submit me your videos.. Full credit will be given for the video clips of course You can post your video links here, or PM them to me if you want. I will be adding a "RedSquare members videos" section to my YouTube channel where people can click on your vid and be taken straight to your video page. The bad news is your videos MUST be on YouTube so I can use in-video click-able links. YouTube won't allow "non YT" in-video links! I may be able to find away around this in the future, but for now YT video's only. Will this idea work out? I hope so. But for it to work I need your video's so get submitting Guy's It's going to interesting for me as this will be the first time I've played a "presenting" roll.... Should be fun It will be a couple of weeks until the first episode is ready as I'm waiting for a bit of equipment to arrive which will make filming more fun.. And is the only way for me to get the "look/feel" I want in these vid's. By the way I'm looking for 3 or 4 video clips to finish off the opening title sequence I have created, so get submitting and I might pick yours I will of course try and keep you all update on how the project is going and get some other blog entries up here very soon.. But for now that's all. So long and thanks for all the fish.... I've always wanted to finish something off using that line :D

Thankfully for once I don't have to tear this hydro apart.Some mobile 1 and a new filter and I finally have a good one!I have had these ol Hydros apart so many times only to be let down not able to get replacement parts!Got a shed full all with the same problems!

I wouldn't suggest putting anything other than the proper oil in a Hydro. Kerosene or other products may present problems; multipal oil and filter changes will not.

What a great forum! I really appreciate all of the replies, have never run into a friendlier group. I decided to search for a Suburban,but will consider a Lawn Ranger if a good buy comes along. Can't wait to get started and work with you guys. Thanks again, Rick

That's right...let no grass grow under your feet... when they pop up, you gotta drop what your doing, and get on the bus gus. Buy 'em now...pick 'em up later.

That's not poaching... all's fair in the love of 's.

A while back I asked the boss if we could 'charge' all the employees a new unwrapped toy and the 'cover' fee for the employee Christmas party. Of course then knew it was for Toys for Tots. It went over big and I had the bed of my full size truck (with a cap) completely filled as well as the interior (supercab). I delivered them to the Marines during a live radio broadcast (I think the old B100 in South Bend). Toys for Tots is such a worthy cause. Children need cloths, shoes etc. but they need toys as well. I donate every year but never thought about buying them during the after Christmas sales for the following Christmas. What a great idea!!

Martin, if you sell a tractor you can buy a pair of gloves from "Thewarmingstore.com". Lol.

Sorry if i misunderstand the topic (I'm not that good with English) I have an electric clutch/pto on mine, and unless i run it somewhere near full throttle when the clutch/pto is in use + lights is on..it slowly discharges the battery. The pto/clutch draws about 5-6Amp and the lights takes another 3-4Amps. The engines charging system is good for 10A, but only when running at or close to WOT or the voltage across the battery will drop to much.

Just what is there not to like about the LAGT magazine? Brandon, Kate and their staff produce a great bi-monthly magazine. Although, I am partial to Wheel Horses, I really enjoy reading about all makes and models of lawn and garden tractors and the people who collect and restore them as well. Thoroughly enjoyed the Jan/Feb 2014 issue and I am already looking forward to receiving the next issue.

That's nature's way of telling you, you should have bought a White Toyota . Great pics and 633+, Thanks. Just relentless torrential Rain, flooding, high winds and mild Temps over here. Glad to see your back to health .

I have always run my Kohler K301 at WOT, and do the same with my 5xi twin cylinder, and yes the 5xi can drink the K301 under the table. I am a believer in the WOT principle when operating attachments for the reason that these attachments are designed to be run at a particular RPM for peak performance. The cutting deck was designed for a certain blade tip speed, to lift the grass before cutting, and to properly discharge the clippings. The snow blower or thrower is designed to throw snow of varying density. Someone ran the calculations of what would be the optimum auger and fan speed, figured out the needed gear ratio to get this from the engine, and they did this using WOT rpm's as the basis of their calculations. Can you run at less than WOT and still get "good" performance, yes, but I'm going to guess that you are not getting the optimum performance that was intended. I would also think that the added rpm's add a "reserve" that the designer calculated for, so when you hit that thick clump of grass or snow drift, you don't burry the engine. My machines have always been happy to run at WOT all day long when running attachments. If I'm moving dirt, then I am all over the throttle all day long. I would also venture to speculate that from the designers point of view, it is easier to design the implements to run at WOT, because they can then specify in the manual to operate at WOT to the consumer, rather than say to operate the blades at 2/3 throttle, the tiller at 3/4 throttle, and the snow blower at full throttle. The WOT specification takes away some of the judgment call that you would be leaving with the consumer, who would then be calling the factory to complain that at 2/3 throttle the deck is not cutting the grass well, when in reality they are operating at 1/2 throttle but it looks like 2/3 to them. Ask me how I know this would happen. When building equipment that is a "consumer product" you have to make it easy and simple for the average person to operate. You take away as much of the variable in operation as possible. Hence you specify WOT in the manual. For many on this site, you understand the inner workings of the hardware better than an "average consumer", and can be free to make you own judgments as to what rpm you want to operate your attachments, and make your own decision if you are degrading performance or not. It is no longer black and white, we are now thinking in color!! I think that these engines are going to provide adequate cooling and lubrication at a wide range of rpm's, and that WOT is not required to for these reasons in most lawn tractor applications. If you consider a snow plowing application, you really don't need WOT to plow a small snowfall of powder, so why run at WOT if you don't need to. The engine will be happy at 1/2 throttle, and it won't overheat and it won't starve for fuel or lubrication. That's my take on the WOT principle. Rick

you're looking at the empty popcorn bowl! You old fellers really should wear your glasses more often!!

rtf, It was 42 years ago that my family purchased its first wheel horse. I was just a kid at the time, and this red machine gave me such a thrill. You feed it gas and oil, it makes lots of noise, and you get to control it. When it breaks you learn to fix it. You learn to read a repair manual. You learn to read a parts diagram. You get to go to the repair shop and purchase some parts that you are going to get to install. You learn what tool is the right tool for the job. I can remember putting together a list of parts, and having to wait until Saturday when dad would be home to take me to the parts shop. All of these experiences have led me to a life of loving machinery. I think that if I didn't have that wheel horse when I was a kid, I wouldn't be able to do half of the things that I can do with my hands today. I have never been without a wheel horse in the last 42 years, and highly recommend getting your grandson his first tractor. I would make it a priority to teach him about safety around the machine. Wear safety glasses when cutting grass, and wear ear protection when running the machine. I think that the constant ringing in my ears is probably from all of the seat time I have had on the tractor without wearing hearing protection. I wear it all the time now, but when I was young I never did, and no one told me to. I wish you lots of luck, and I think that you will find this web site a great resource for you and your grandson. Rick

I spent yesterday in single digit temps and wind to dig this old guy out of the snow. My boss got it from his girlfriends mother for scrap price, I'll probably get stuck getting it going again. Not sure if I should be or ? Not much info on it other than it was parked and the battery removed, then the husband passed on and it has not been run in a couple years. The plug wires look new and the right rear tire is new, somebody did use it and put some money into it. The serial number on the engine is on a horizontal surface facing up and rusted. There are faint shapes in the corrosion so maybe some black paint and a sanding block will make them stand out better once I can get it into the shop. The shifter rotates about 90 degrees, with three detents. Forward, neutral and reverse? Numbers cast into the left front of the block at the bottom. There is a f inside a c then 3d4. Just to the right is a 2. Casting on the right side of the block. Any help identifying this old guy would be very much appreciated.

Just got my new Jan/Feb edition of Lawn & Garden Magazine yesterday. Great issue. Wheel Horse is well represented. In the "Horse Barn" is a story about collector Chris Frock of Westminster, MD. and his Wheel Horse snowmobile (quite appropriate in light of the weather we are having here), a two-page spread with a great picture of a '73 10-8 in the snow in Oklahoma, and a Wheel Horse Essay Contest for kids 8 to 18 with the topic "What I Would Do if I Won A Wheel Horse" Thanks Brandon and Kate for another great issue.

I agree too,just flush it a few times,oil is cheap compared to a pump rebuild,i would change it and the filter,run it hard and get it warmed up good,then change it again with another filter,just how id do it,not saying that the 2nd change is needed for sure,depends how bad it was milky,i have an eaton and Sundstrand and ive only seen that symptom on my 8 speeds,i geuss more moisture gets in the 8 speed

To bad you werent closer I have a few 160s that need tlc I would of deal with.

mine leaks from the valve cover and it gets all over the front,great tractor to save,they are strong and other than the hydro very simple to work on

Looks good to me. Marvin

Looks like a fun little project for all your spare time Jim!

I hear it's coming down pretty crazy out there but here in Lewiston I have yet to see a flake! I hope we get some snow - the Kohler needs a workout

Looking at the deck it looks good Good luck with your find Rick

Right on bro! Front end loaders bite a lot of snow! Right now, I am so happy that me and the family moved about 30 miles north of you. Only Up to 2 inches of the stuff up here.

Thats the one I was referring to. Thanks TT

This post is two fold. Today's snow pics on the 416 first. Then my follow up question.

Hop Bottom is poaching in my neighborhood...Kingsley, PA Nice save...I missed that one

Hop Bottom ?? Nice save.

Martin, what you want to get is the glove/mittens that pull over your fingers. Fits on like a glove and your fingers can stick out if you want...or you can pull over the mitten piece that completes the glove. I think they use them for hunting...I use them for ice fishing and running the tractors. They are great. If you are interested, I can put a picture up.

Update, Last Thursday I took the exhaust, intake manifold, and carb off the tractor. I disassembled the carb and gave it a good soak in Berrymans, then hosed it all off with spray carb cleaner, and blew it all out with air. I re-sealed the intake gaskets with some anaerobic gasket sealer as I did not have any new gaskets. The intake manifold did not appear to have any leaks in the seam, so I left that alone. After putting it all back on the tractor, it started and ran great at first, but after a bit it did still "hunt" a bit at WOT with no load, but much better. Idle was perfect. Today, I used the tractor again, and it started and ran perfectly at all speeds. Seems to have fixed itself. The difference between today, and last Thursday is about 40 degrees. Today it is above freezing, last week was below Zero. I am thinking I had a frozen gas cap vent issue on top of a dirty carb. Cleaning the carb, and today being milder allowed the vent to open up. Time will tell, but for now I have 16 horses of slush blowing power.

I run my engines at WOT for the following reasons: 1. Maximum PTO speed 2. Maximum battery charging 3. Maximum cooling at I understand it. Some of my Berthern with the IH Cub Cadets question this and run at lower RPMs while other do not. I'd say run the tractor as you see fit... Bill

Apparently your B-60 isn't stock. (someone added an electrical system) Member "Rollerman" had the electric over hydraulic pump on something. I recommend sending him a PM - or maybe he'll see this topic.

I know that, I have a close buddy moved to Rochester, we stay in touch a few times per week. winter comes early, long and hard and stays late. Be wheel horse prepared. Glenn

Cutlas....hmmmm, seems like that would make a great video????????

Now go out and smoke a whole box of cigars in one day!

Yes that was a good story. Finding the new issue of LAGT in my mailbox always puts me in a great mood. More especially after a bad day at work

Rob, I get caught up in the thinking of the average guy. I'm no scientist, nor am I ever going to be inclined to get so deeply into the subject of WOT and experimenting the way you do. Hat's off to you on that count. However, I don't have a twin cylinder hydro GT either, so I tend to think more in terms of the single cylinder Kohler operated tractor group to which I belong. As you and others here have said, winter weather isn't as much of a concern for air cooling of even an 8hp Kohler. However WOT on these engines provides optimal oil slinging lubrication, which is another reason to open her up. So I suppose the thing to do is for you to run yours at half throttle and I'll run at full throttle and while I predict no significant harm will come to either of our tractors in the short term, I will definitely use less gas then you. Jim

How about a big glass of my moonshine against one of your Rock N Rye at this years show? I'll give you a big hit of it anyway so it's not technically a bet but... I see what your saying after rereading the post

While technically not correct, there are quite a few of us that use a solenoid to power the starter generator on the mid sixties tractors. I know the original switch is rated at 70 amps, but I really don't like the idea of putting that much draw through an ignition switch, and also using a solenoid allows you to use smaller wires up to the switch which makes for a tidier area behind the dash. Some people hide the solenoid inside the dash tower. Personally I don't care if the Wheel Horse police see mine, I mount it on the engine:

Here are some photos for you guys. Nothing special. I have quit a few restored tractors. This one will be the next. The John Deere A in my profile pictures is one of mine. For right now, this will be a worker. I need to find a parts tractor before I repaint this one . I need half the transaxle because this one is broke off at the hitch. The dash support someone cut with a torch for some unknown reason. Also a few other things. So for me, in order to justify a piant job , I will need to collect a few parts yet. Then I will tear down completely and paint. I really like this model and I think it warrants a full restoration. In these pictures the trans in refilled , new filter and working great. Im surprized that the axle seals are not leaking. I guess I got lucky. Now Im going to put on my chains and get ready for the northeastern storm coming that know body knows how many inches we will get. Happy New Years Kyle

They're all winners in my book.

I've got a couple of Wh rescue photo's as well.. A few old Workshack extension photos.. Rip it up and push it into a pile with the 312-8. Then cart it away behind a Raider 10.