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Karl has suggested the second best source of information I know of for Wheel Horse knowledge; the very best is right here. Read and be inquisitive about all of the postings on this site and you will gain so much information that it will astonish you. If you don't understand something; ask, lots of great people on here will provide answers; some of them might even be the correct answer!

Picked this up yesterday, not like I needed another project but the price was right and always wanted a FEL on a compact tractor. Supposedly has a 2 cylinder, 15 hp. Is 4wd too. Haven't had any time to delve into it yet, way too cold outside to work on it and no room in the shop! Been told it has a mower deck that goes with it that is buried in the PO's shed for retrieval in the spring. Nother thing I though was strange as it has rear pto that has three speeds??

12-20-1957 Elvis Presley is drafted On this day in 1957, while spending the Christmas holidays at Graceland, his newly purchased Tennessee mansion, rock-and-roll star Elvis Presley receives his draft notice for the United States Army. With a suggestive style–one writer called him “Elvis the Pelvis”–a hit movie, Love Me Tender, and a string of gold records including “Heartbreak Hotel,” “Blue Suede Shoes,” “Hound Dog” and “Don’t Be Cruel,” Presley had become a national icon, and the world’s first bona fide rock-and-roll star, by the end of 1956. As the Beatles’ John Lennon once famously remarked: “Before Elvis, there was nothing.” The following year, at the peak of his career, Presley received his draft notice for a two-year stint in the army. Fans sent tens of thousands of letters to the army asking for him to be spared, but Elvis would have none of it. He received one deferment–during which he finished working on his movie King Creole–before being sworn in as an army private in Memphis on March 24, 1958. After six months of basic training–including an emergency leave to see his beloved mother, Gladys, before she died in August 1958–Presley sailed to Europe on the USS General Randall. For the next 18 months, he served in Company D, 32nd Tank Battalion, 3rd Armor Corps in Friedberg, Germany, where he attained the rank of sergeant. For the rest of his service, he shared an off-base residence with his father, grandmother and some Memphis friends. After working during the day, Presley returned home at night to host frequent parties and impromptu jam sessions. At one of these, an army buddy of Presley’s introduced him to 14-year-old Priscilla Beaulieu, whom Elvis would marry some years later. Meanwhile, Presley’s manager, Colonel Tom Parker, continued to release singles recorded before his departure, keeping the money rolling in and his most famous client fresh in the public’s mind. Widely praised for not seeking to avoid the draft or serve domestically, Presley was seen as a model for all young Americans. After he got his polio shot from an army doctor on national TV, vaccine rates among the American population shot from 2 percent to 85 percent by the time of his discharge on March 2, 1960.

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Okay, it's been a few weeks since the 2016 hurricane season ended, thought this might be a interesting read for you guys snowed in. Also I've got time on my hands, it hasn't gotten above 48 degrees in two days, I'm not going out side! As a life long Floridian, adept at hurricane preparedness, there are certain indicators I use to tell if a storm could be serious. For most of us well seasoned Floridians there are Six Tiers of level of concern. They are as follow: First Tier: Grocery stores are out of bread and water. Rookie panic move, not a ton of concern yet. Second Tier: Schools are closed. Safe move, still no panic, work will probably be next. Third Tier: Work is cancelled. Maybe something to this storm, glad I bought bread and water. Fourth Tier: Gas shortages. Ok, need to pay close attention, gas shortages are serious. Fifth Tier: Mandatory evacuations. If your on the coast, JUST DO IT!!! Sixth Tier: Disney World closes, evacuates all areas of the park, and refunds people their money! S**t just got real, we may actually die! Now, there is a Seventh Tier. I don't like to mention it though because it usually means the finger of GOD is about to touch down in our state. SEVENTH TIER: College football games are cancelled. I... I don't even know what to do at this point. It's the end times! FEND FOR YOURSELF!!! All joking aside you guys on the east coast hope you fared well, I feel Ya. Chris

953 said it best! PS one of the thing I really love about this "forum" is seeing people really help and care for each other. I suspect there's not many forums that have prayer request for friends and family in need. So here my Christmas prayer that each of you and your family have a Merry CHRISTmas and a healthy new year!

I just picked this tractor up the other day. It is a 753 with the hydraulic lift on it. The transmission is frozen solid with ice. Deck is solid also. This tractor needs work. Is the hydraulic lift original or was it an add on?

OK...OK , I may be a little younger than you , but I definitely feel older . With this titanium in my neck I can't turn it like I used to . Hey there may be some truth when they say I have a screw loose !

Nice looking machine Jim. I have never seen one in this area. Any FEL is worth there there weight in gold to me at my age. Back is shot. Good Luck!!

In my opinion the"real" reason why so many here are so knowledgeable about Wheel horses, is really the love and dedication that everyone has developed for them. That is the reason that led most if not all of us to research about them, and eventually find this place where our questions can be answered. The book is a great source of historical information, but the actual content of this site is the real treasure. Not only for the actual information and knowledge already existing in it, but for the steady flow of ideas and innovations constantly being introduced by members from all walks of life with all kinds of skills talents and experiences. Personally I can tell you that although I am skilled in other areas, prior to owning a Wheel Horse I had neither the ability nor the inclination whatsoever towards this type of machinery and their workings. If lawn mower wouldn't start off to the shop it was. Now I probably would not do that if my life depended on it, and the very opposite occurs, people bring their stuff here. And all because of a cute rusty little red tractor that was just too cute to leave there, and just captivated our hearts once here. Giving now more credit to the book mentioned, its greatest contribution to me was not as much the historical value and information contained in it, but the story in it. That a family together in difficult times can not only overcome the obstacles of life and survive by utilizing the resources and opportunities around them, but also achieve great things in the process, that will positively impact the lives of many others. I can with certainty say that it has definitely impacted our lives here for at least two generations.

I can't read the tags on the pump, but I believe that the hydraulics are a factory option that would be installed by the dealer.

I live not too far from Lowell @wheelhorseman1000 and Tom @Shynon. I bottomed out over here at -27 Sunday morning. Just checked now... barely over 48 hours later and it is over 60 degrees warmer than it was Sunday morning. Nearly a +70 degree difference in the wind chill!

Technically it isn't the underside of the transaxle case that is affected. The weak points are the "ears" where the pin slides through. That is where the cracking can occur. Tom and Scott's design spreads the load to the axle portion of the casting..

Watch it you young whipper snapper; I resemble that remark!

There is a wiring diagram in the operator manual You have battery ignition so easy to check the points. Using a voltmeter or test light with the engine cranking see if you have constant voltage at the coil (+). Now move the tester to the coil (-). When the points are closed you should have 0 voltage. When the points are open you should have battery voltage just like the coil (+). So the reading should change once for every 2 turns of the crankshaft. This will tell you if the points are making a clean electrical contact when closed. My guess is you will have steady voltage at the coil (-). Using crocus cloth or a point file polish the oxidation off both the point contact surfaces. Drag a strip of clean white paper through the closed points a few times until the paper comes out clean. That should give you spark at the plug. Garry

I'm willing to bet your steering block is cracked. Real common with hyd. lift tractors. Lift arm hits it in full raised position and cracks it.

You can take up much of the steering slop with a simple adjustment. In front of the steering gear you will find a castle nut with a cotter pin. Remove the cotter and turn the nut in as far as possible without causing the steering to bind, then reinstall the cotter pin. If you are too far in to engage the cotter pin properly, put a washer behind the nut.

Awsome build , love the detail work . Keep those coming ! Here I turned them for ya so us older folks don't get kinks in our neck . TRULY !

Time to accomplish a few things on this 702 I picked up this year. I was only planning on repairing the cracked trans mount, rebuilding the HY-2, and a few other minor tasks but after getting the tractor into pieces, Im wondering if I should just go ahead and do it up right and repaint the entire tractor! The patina of the tins is very attractive to me though so I am not sure what I want to do.... Hitch pin stuck in the trans so off to work tomorrow to use the press; wheel hubs came off without fuss, thankfully. Steering wheel was buggered up beyond repair with all 3 spokes having been broken so a quick cut with a sawzall and then use of a puller and it came off quick. New wheel for a Cub that is very similar is awaiting.

I don't live in a hurricane region, nor do I live in the snow belt. But, at least hurricanes give a warning (though I doubt if I would still like to live in a region that may see huricanes). Tornadoes, though, are a constant threat in the midwest and you don't get days notice, sometimes you don't get any notice or warning. The category 5 tornado that destroyed Jopin, Missouri May 22, 2011, there was about a 5 minute warning. These things can formed in minutes and with weather people crying wolf time and time again, some people become immune to the warnings until it's too late and there is actually a tornado bearing down on them. If you think a basement is a safe place, my aunt lives in Joplin. When the tornado came through she went in a bedroom that she and her husband built in the basement for their daughter. When she came out of that room, a car was laying inside the other portion of the basement. Here's another story, a 70 something year old man went missing about a day or so during the same tornado in Joplin. He was found in a makeshift shelter and he said he only survived because he didn't make it to his basement in time. He only had time to stand in the basement door way when the tornado hit. Good thing too, as the house fell into the basement which would have killed him if he was in the basement. Here is my defense against tornadoes. Pray I'm miles and miles away from one. That is the best way to deal with them. As for hurricanes, keep them near the coast line and that will be fine for me. I know the devastation these storms can cause and how people have to rebuild their lives in their aftermath. Floods, earthquakes, severe storms, can and will wreck not only homes, but people lives. I hope the hurricanes stay away, Chris, from you and your family.

Jeff; make that several screws!

I'm sure most of you have found this and bookmarked it by now, but if you haven't... here's a harbor freight coupon database. http://www.hfqpdb.com/ % off coupons, No purchase required, free with purchase and so on. Everyone I know is getting a tape measure and screwdriver set for Christmas. Why? Because I drive by a Harbor Freight every day going to work so I stop and get something.

I've used the eBay kits and have no complaints. But sum will say to only use genuine Kohler.

I only have learned by the others teaching and helping me. I have a long way to go, there are some real pros here, and I am very grateful for the advice they give me. Glenn

Look around for military surplus chains. i picked up a set for a jeep still in the original bag from Weed circa 1960???. The were 6.00x16 and I cut them down to fit my 6.00x12. Notice the difference in thickness between them and the cheesey chains you buy these days on the front wheels.

I agree 100% - it's become almost a pain to have everyone around here trying to use me as a resource to fix their equipment since the dealers in this area are priced pretty high and seem to take their time getting equipment repaired and back to their owners . I have a neighbor that's very impressive with how fast she can kill a lawn mower - it's become a challenge to see how long they will run before coming back again . She's finally slowing down with health issues to they have a chance to live longer ,she just can't push them past the limit anymore but still buys really cheap junk and runs it to death quickly . Maybe I just need to build her a Horse ...ugh . I've learned so much here about all the little specific things a detail oriented guy like me wants to know - that info is found nowhere else and I hope someone is saving all this info somewhere for future catastrophic problems if the site ever goes down again . Karl and the moderators have done such a phenomenal job of keeping everything neat and organized and the search engine works quite well - you just have to invest the time to learn and I've spent countless hours reading and learning - I love this site . Sarge

Go to an ATV or snowmobile dealership and get the appropriate new style fuel line - it should be either blue or yellow . That new line will not break down like rubber - the oxygenated and corn alcohol fuels today will eat rubber fuel lines - hence your black debris showing up . I'd bet you'll have to at least clean very well or rebuild the fuel pump and get those lines off of there - I do not use rubber at all anymore due to this issue . ATV companies are refusing to warranty engines now that have been fed Ethanol fuels due to burning up pistons and valve systems so it's recommended to never use Ethanol blended fuel in any small engine , especially air cooled ones . Just an fyi , I hate the expense of non-Ethanol fuel here in the Midwest corn belt since it can be a pain to find and usually costs $.75+ more per gallon , but worth it in the long run and the engines do run better anyway . Biggest issue is the ethanol drawing water into the fuel from the atmosphere vent , later to cause freezing problems . I run all mine on Philipp's 66 - 91 octane non-ethanol (91 is all they have) . Some of the Hy-Vee stores also have a 91 and used to offer an 87 octane pure as well - that's what I use in the old Land Cruiser since it's fuel pump is pretty much NLA and super expensive . Being a '77 , it's not happy with ethanol at all and will drink it down to below 10mpg and produce less power overall - I hate the stuff . Sarge

Hopefully the son is going into CNC machining operations - he could start producing them to duplicate the original plastic , do a simple black anodize and put them up for sale ...I'd buy one .. Sarge

After not enough weight with wheel weights I added these, she's now a heavyweight! C-85

Manual for it is here...

I've been down this road quite a lot with all the years of being an offroad/4WD kind of guy . Add a lot of weight to a vehicle , lockers and huge tires and parts start failing . Increase strength in one area only to move the failure point somewhere else up the drive line and eventually to the frame/chassis parts . Inertia is a killer , no axle can take sudden shock loads and the same with gears in the drive axle - I've watched guys literally break Rockwell military axles on modified buggies . Weight and traction becomes a huge factor , tire weight is much different than axle weight but both have their drawbacks - I try to spread out the misery if possible and be aware of the additional stress and work accordingly . Just because you have all this newfound traction doesn't mean you can start moving buildings or heavy rock in big passes , take your time and be methodical about it knowing you can and probably will break it . I have the ability to repair stuff , so that comes into consideration as well - much different if you have to source a replacement part or pay someone to fix it for you . There is a limit to everything , even bone stock with just wheel weights these tractors will move far more material than most easily and do it for 50yrs without issue - it's just when you start pushing design limits you start breaking things .... Sarge

The tag says, Also does anyone know what kind of oil it takes? Model No. A4CCWH Serial No. 42159

Nice score... the Hein Warner pump is a factory add on.

I for sure appreciate the info - been wanting to go further into the pumps and motors and I have the equipment necessary here to work on them with the exception of the gauges for testing but that's easy. I've never had time or need to go that deep into the charge pump section and suspect I've run into a few that weren't up to snuff as they had very little oil flow/pressure and it certainly could have been from scored pistons/slippers . Deeply appreciate the pics and descriptions , Dave...thanks . Sarge

As many of you know , this hobby can be real addicting . Heck I can't even ride or work on them . It's hard to own just one , as I was warned by my fellow horseoholics . Now my barn is filling up with tractors (running and projects) and parts . Even though I don't need anyone projects , I did purchase a 65 Simplicity Broadmoor for cheap (got to have at least one orange one) and hopefully an A111 that may just get turned into a power wheel chair . I can't pick them up till next weekend. This brings me to why I'm writing this post . I find myself scouring the websites every day searching for that elusive deal . Last night I was trolling through CL from Iowa to Maine and Michigan to Florida . I've come across some rare items (a Sububan with front mount sicklebar project for one) RJ's , Sububan's , round hoods , short frames , long frames , and the list goes on . Some smoking deals and others leaving me wondering what their smoking ! If I run across something I know someone is looking for , I try to let them know about it (I hope I don't offend anyone doing this) . So is this just me , or do you find yourself doing the same things ? What's your thoughts ? How do you satisfied your addiction ? Oh , the life of a WHEEL HORSE junky ! Mods feel free to move post if not in appropriate spot .

If you can't find a certified welder, a couple pints of JB would make that blade pass for NOS.

On farm tractors 1000rpm shafts normally have a finer spline on them. Will be interesting to hear what the speed options are on it. I will have to pick a day to stop by and check that thing out. For cutting wood a FEL is extremely nice to have. We rarely go out to the woods without taking our Ford 871 along.

My dad was in the army about a year after Elvis was discharged. Dad is a big Elvis fan as I'm sure a lot of that generation was. Kudos to a great entertainer. Does anyone know how many of these entertainers do that today!?

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Went out and fired up the ol trusty C81, after a bit of reluctance she fired up. Can't say I blame it, it was -12 out, felt colder inside the barn. After a nice warm up, out we went to work relocating 6 inches of snow where Mother Nature put it to where I needed it to be. After about 10mins of pushing snow and 15 min of warm up time, I had to get out of the cab to relocate some obstacles. I just happen to notice that the grass screen was solid white. Now I have never had this happen in all the years plowing snow to get it that covered up. I shut the tractor down so I could get the snow off. To my surprise it was not snow. It was solid frost like you would see on a frosted mug but only more dense cutting off air flow from the flywheel. After my total loss of what was going on, it finally made it through my slow brain that the Exhaust from the low outlet on a C series was causing it. The steam vapor from the exhaust was being sucked into the grass screen and instantly freezing on it and build up a solid coating of frost. All my years I have never seen that before. Had it happen with other tractors using snowblower, but that was snow. New one on me.

some of them might even be the correct answer! I have to agree on this. Most of the time. But Hey that is why we have this site to keep us from making mistakes.

I had the "black specks" too a while back, it's the old fuel line broken down you'll have to pull the whole carb and soak it, those rubber particles get in every little passage in there, after I did that has ran fine for the last couple years,Jeff.

Some after-market oil filters have internal valves or restrictors , or not, and they are not disclosed.. I can't tell you the internals of a Toro 79-5270 filter, but I can guarantee that it will be right....the first time. Google 'Toro 79-5270" and I'm sure you'll find them everywhere, except Walmart and the like. Another thing occurs to me.... The CYLINDER BLOCK(s). There is a coil spring in it, with a flat washer and spirol retaining ring that can be a PITA, but have a look at it to be sure the spring is not compromised. Here is a pic. And more.... be sure you get the orientation right when relocating the charge pump housing onto the end cap..It won't work at all if you get this backwards (don't ask how I know). Look at the little pin I circled.

Is the linkage on the plow frame slotted or a single hole or both? Try the single hole also try taking the trans tunnel cover off and adjusting the rockshaft linkage tighter to raise it higher but remember it still will only raise as high as the tie rod linkage on the front axle, as far as the steering wheel looseness have you greased all the fan gears/and column bushings? it's amazing what a little grease can do to help eliminate slop, but after a lot of years/hours the bearing/bushing/gears could just be severely worn on the steering linkage,Jeff.

What connects the plow frame to the tractors lift arm? Solid link or chain link....if it's chain maybe you could loose a link? What Digger said....pics of how its hooked up would be helpful. Mike.....

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I, too, have been following this thread and....just to add my 2 cents: IMHO... the 9 piston slippers need resurfaced as does the thrust plate. In all likelihood, the 9 piston slippers of the motor assy will be in the same condition and the thrust plate too. While the slippers shown here (of the pump) don't appear real bad, the cumulative effect of the 18 slippers and both thrust plates would be detrimental. Another factor to consider is (was) the condition of the bottom of the piston cylinder block. That steel surface rides on the brass side of the valve plate in BOTH the pump and motor sections. Given the scratched condition of the slippers as shown here, no doubt the mating surfaces of the cylinder block(s) and valve plate(s) are also scratched / scored. Inasmuch as the motor assy wasn't torn down to inspect, the condition of internal surfaces cannot be nailed down for sure. However, since the fluid is common throughout, it is reasonable to expect less than optimum condition of the motor surfaces. Use a large 'C' clamp to press the shaft out of the motor assy. If a suitable clamp isn't at hand, fabricate some sort of lever contraption to press out the shaft. This is the only way to inspect the motor assy. In any case, I am offering a few pics of the internals and what the surfaces should look like. When servicing the pump for wear conditions, it is also necessary to service the motor section as the internals are almost identical. Now is also the time to open and inspect the acceleration valves. Pics of that too:

Welcome to Red Square ! How 'bout a couple pics ?

I have been urged to post this video in this section, so here it is.. Enjoy the silliness

Definitely keeping the seat.. I have no idea what it is off of, I think it is just a generic tractor seat. It is, however, very comfy.. Yup, I think just a clean and scuff with some matt clear is all she's getting for now. Side note, I dropped my mule drive for the mower earlier this summer and broke the adjusting knob on the front. I had an old wheel that fit the shaft and did the job for the summer, but looks odd. My youngest son is finishing his first semester in machining at college and was looking for some extra projects. This is what he made for me in class: