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Pis of the WH I hope to get. Will it be difficult to match the color of the paint? I know reds fade over time. 86 Monte SS, mostly stock, 305, 200r4orig paint...hundreds of hours were put into the car to make it look like nothing was done.. It's not fast but makes all the right sounds.

Tony @Docwheelhorse did a thread and showed some pics of a set up like this but couldn't find it to add this one. Just happened to come across it on the net while searching for something else but thought it was interesting enough to share. It's for sale by the way on South Jersey CL so have at it.

If a Wheel Horse of any model is well maintained it will last forever! ! ! A casual inspection will reveal issues that would be concerning. If it is in good condition, runs well and drives well the asking price sounds reasonable to me. I have a 310-8 (two less HP) from 1990 that works as well as the day it was new. I also have several others that are half a century or more old that will work a BIG BOX STORE mower into the ground. Once you have owned one you will be overcome by the irresistible urge to by another.

Maybe we need to open a topic "What I haven't gotten done on my Wheel Horse" Have soaked the hub for a couple days used the air chisel on it for awhile (that has helped on some exhaust fittings) no help on the hub. Dragged out the torch smoked up the office but no movement. Going to soak it some more but after another couple days guess I will have to split the tranny disassemble the differential get the axle and hub out and over to the 20 ton press and hope for better luck. The hub on the leaky side slid right off is cleaned up and has her studs and lug nuts....

Welcome aboard G body fan and soon to be WH fan... The with the cab is a 1996 Anniversary model 520H I bought brand new in 1998 and of course the last pic my 78 Malibu I've owned for 19 years... Nothing you buy today from JD Cub Cadet or Simplicity ect for $2k will compare to that WH you are looking to buy, if buying new today that same tractor would be of the smallest compact 4x4 tractors like a Kubota BX or Mahindra eMax 20es... Good luck.

You can't go wrong with that 314-8. I killed a box store mower (I didn't buy it, my father in law did) in a few short years but the Wheel Horse just keeps coming back for more!

If you have 4th gear in a WH you have a very special unit...

OK Goof, If all those 14M Kohlers of yours failed to turn your 48" decks, You either had worn out engines, decks, or were trying to cut 10" grass in a high gear. I have a 48" SD on a C-120H, a 312H and a 417H. I normally use the 12 HP mowers as they run cooler. If I get lazy and miss a regular mowing, then I may use the 417. BTW, I have successfully used SS blowers on both of the 12s. Note these are all hydros that have less HP available at the PTO than a gear drive. So, to use your statement "no matter what you say" IMO, the 314-8 with a 48" deck and SS blower will be a great working machine.

Thanks all for the warm welcome and encouragement and a whole whack of info I did not expect to see. I can visualize it being parked next to my refurbed stock 1986 Monte Carlo SS...two classics side by side.

I have both a 315-8 with a 48" deck and 520H with 48" deck under normal grass cutting conditions you can't tell the difference but tall wet green grass my 20hp opposed twin hydro will out cut the single cylinder Kohler and I'm sure the same goes with snow and the single stage throwers. But then again I have a 3 cylinder diesel now for most of my grass cutting.

I see the Chicago Diplomat is on a roll today Just a friendly reminder @Goofey. I have helped you out a lot with parts and info on your 195, and we have spoken several times on skype, and I think we have come to know one another a bit, so I guess it also falls on me to say this. The way you have carried yourself in the two threads I have seen today, is not something I recognize from our talks. Now, It is absolutely not my business to correct or try to reprimand you, neither do I know what has sparked your outbursts and I hope all is well. That being said, I also don't think you are making many friends here with that attitude, so again, just as a friendly reminder. Please dial it down a tad. Don't make it personal when you disagree with someone. Is something wrong, then let us know, so we can try to be understanding.

This little piece of attachment list says not only will a 314 handle a 48 but a 312 will too. Knowing my Kohlers I wouldn't be afraid to hook one up to a 310!

I don't know about your buddy but I've had a few conversations with you. I assure you. You are already nuts. You do not to be driven there. Really what I mean by that is. I'm curious to see what the answer is and I just wanted to post something so I can follow the thread.

'88SS Sounds like the fellas have voiced their thoughts on the quality of a Horse and got you covered there. You may have figured out by now we do like our so you might need one of these..... https://www.wheelhorseforum.com/store/product/2-1-year-redsquare-support/ Helps keep the lights on and ad free around here.

You could buy a brand new $2000 tractor today and next year you'll have a $1000 tractor, the year after that you'll have a $500 tractor, and the year after that you'll have a $100 tractor and be shopping for another new one. If you buy an $800 classic Wheel Horse today, in a year you'll still have an $800 Wheel Horse, the year after that you'll have an $800 Wheel Horse, and the year after that you'll still have an $800 Wheel Horse. So your options are basically to spend $2000 knowing full well that you'll be doing the same thing again in a few years and have nothing to show for your money, or spend $800 and have a piece of equipment that is already fully depreciated and may actually go up in value over the same time. Seems like a simple choice to me. BUT, and it is a big but, you may have to work on the Wheel Horse a little, which most people who are even asking your question won't mind.

Yes I have some experience with similar attachments. I cannot state without going back to look at motors, what is their power rating. However I use a similar setup to fertilize the lawn in my property. I have about one acre of lawn and each time I do it I really go over it twice. This one is attached to a 520H and I never had any problems with the charging system being able to handle it. The other attachment is a sprayer with I believe a 35 gallon tank that I use to spray the tall Bradford Pears in the front of the property. That process is a lengthy one lasting over one hour. Again also no issues. I actually used that sprayer for the same purpose, a couple of times attached to a RJ58 with a K91S with a starter generator, again with no issues in keeping the battery charged.

in guitar terms - an old Wheel Horse garden tractor is similar to a vintage made in USA Gibson or Fender guitar the $2K John Deere would be similar to a made in China low cost guitar that would be frustrating to set up and intonate would need to pay much more than 2K to get a current tractor that might be similar to an old Wheel Horse tractor in the 90's could spend $4K for a Wheel Horse - and that might not include a mower deck

Turbo socket, round off socket, they have a couple names. Advance sells a lock remover that is basically a tapered left-handed die with a square drive on the end. Looks like this: Mcgaurd may not be able to get a key based off that code, but the dealer can. Also, when dealing with locking lug nuts the lock should be the first one off and the last one on, after all the others are torqued. You already found out why.

Google search shows it to be a "Dirt Tooth" part #211 made by Jiffy Dallas, probably for some kind of excavator.

Looks like one of the removable teeth off an excavator bucket...

You ARE the leading expert on that subject! If I find something that won’t fit I’ll ask myself “WWKD?”

If you need advice loading into a small space.... you just let me know.

I am an engineer and I agree with you 100%. The BMW swing arm is different than this in many ways. First, the swing arm is much larger for the load it carries and is designed to minimize twist. There's some black magic known as shear center involved that allows them to neutralize all of the unwanted twisting that the design would have otherwise. There is also a significant benefit to a one armed swing arm: It reduces the unsprung weight of the rear suspension significantly. Not only is it unsprung weight, but it's unsprung weight that moves in an arc, which means you get even more benefit from removing it.

Well the gear cover came off nice and easy. Inside was as clean as a whistle. Cannot believe the level of engineering in this this, simple dog clutch but so well built, virtually bomb proof. Drive from the engine turns a crank which has a worm gear on it to drive the road wheels via that huge chunk of bronze. The crank part produces the reciprocating motion for the cutter bar. I cleaned out the stale oil and will refill when I'm sure what grade to use. The manual says use the same as in the engine SAE 30, but not to use thick gear oils. I think its splash lubricated. Definitely had gear oil in when I drained it so maybe the last person didn't have the manual. Wheels off to be re-tyred tomorrow then will be rebuilding her. Got to get the carb sorted re throttle cable and choke yet. Mick

LOL Yeah, been hankering for a BFH project. It's been way too long. Problem is, winter time is for the dreaming and spring summer fall are for building. Spring summer fall is my busy time with work. If I was a retired millionaire like you, I'd build a big heated pole barn and tinker all day everyday.

The owner of that forklift Steve Guider is a great guy. As you can tell from the video he's so into Cases that he's become a vendor for many obsolete Case parts. I got a repop hood for my Case 130, and a battery tray bracket for my Case 180 from him. He doesn't have a Web page/business but I almost would call him the Lowell of the Case world.

I think that one has been on there for quite some time. Don’t let the guy know you are too excited, you might get a better deal. 😁👍

You better hurry Zeke. Sounds like those North Carolina hounds are about ready to open up on that horses trail.

As a Novelty I love it. It is an ugly duckling, and as long as you see it as such, and don't expect it to be good at what it was meant to do, I have no beef with it. Unfortunately it will newer turn into a swan. From an engineering standpoint, that thing is just one big blunder. Forces are going all the wrong places, creating torque/rotational forces in all the places you absolutely don't want such forces. If an Engineer ever created that thing and put it to production, chances are he is not an engineer any more To sum up the best words put on it in this thread as I see it: Quirky lovely little brain fart.

Welcome to Red square. Let me put it to you this way. A new... Anything... Is just a lawn mower. You might not get five or eight years out of it. Not being negative. Being honest. Nearly any model Wheelhorse is not a temporary machine. My Honey and I work with some from 1974 and 1967 that have never had major overhauls. A Wheelhorse isn't a purchas that lasts a few years. It's EQUIPMENT. Meant to be around potentially forever.

That should work for shallow stuff but may take a while for going deep. BUT if it's pretty much all sand it should do the trick. All I can say is build it extra sturdy as there's quite a bit of force acting on it. I did something similar a while back with a 1/2" flat bar anchored the side of the FEL bucket and drug it backwards. It was for direct bury low voltage wire so it only needed to be 6 inches deep and about 20-25 ft long, went through boney fill material. Try doing the trench first to see how deep it'll go then determine the pipe material. (if you only had a little articulating hoe bucket for those small jobs, trenching would be much easier, lol)

Thank you @Skipper. All constructive opinions are valued, but it may be a good practice to stop and pretend we are facing the person we are addressing before hitting the send button.

Don’t want to get off topic, but Curious...Isn’t this a question of where you send the power? By that I mean gearing down (slower speed) gives more power to the PTO...While gearing up (faster) leaves less power to the PTO... Correct? Regardless of HP... I have cut 3’ tall “grass” on a neglected vacant lot with my 10 hp C 105 8 speed side discharge and as long as I was going in the low range gears it cut like a hot knife through butter...initial cut wasn’t pretty but with a follow up cut at regular speed / height it looked quite good... Don’t own a hydro, so also curious if they “take” more or less power relative to speed the same way gears do?

Got a 3” pulley on it and now it’ll go 8mph according to Waze. IMG_7078.MOV We’re trying to get the 2” trans pulley to work. Gotta pickup a 68” belt.

When I was visiting @Zeek this summer, he indicated that he might go.

As many others have stated you cant go wrong with the horse. From a money standpoint those attachments for the "green ones" will be 3 times what you could get a used wheel horse for. Even more if it is a hydro unit. A used snowblower hydro for my buddies green tractor was over 1100 in well used condition. I love my 312-8 and 520 they work year round from grass to snow and everything between. From a maintenance stand point wheel horses are tuff as nails. They are simple to work on if needed but don't require much more than oil changes and a good grease gun. I am not bashing any other brand, you need to get what works best for you, your wallet, and your property. For me its the horse. Best of luck and welcome

True Goofey! Since you don't know any better I might think you were trying to insult me, but if you can read, it was already mentioned. " And figure out a way to keep it from mashing down on the front end." You're a fairly new guy around here so not sure why you want to make friends this way. This ain't Facebook! I think the one on CAD plans is for adding to the front bucket of a skid steer if you actually look but it was my crazy idea to add the hoe bucket to that thing. The weight of the attachment itself obviously isn't a big issue to overcome but the bucket pulling down would be the issue on the front end. Remember, this is a small garden tractor, not a bulldozer for moving large amounts of earth commercially everyday so the weight we are talking about here is very small. A 6 or 8 inch hoe bucket would be plenty for homeowner use to dig holes for plants or saplings, pulling out rocks, break ground for a garden or digging a trench ect. ect.. A simple swing bracket that pivots down to the ground when the boom arm goes down will support the front end when the hoe bucket is engaging the ground and swings up when the boom arm is raised to allow transport to the side to dump it. A simple slide pin can engage and disengage that mechanism when not using the hoe. I don't have the engineering degree as the guy John Mikulas from CAD does or many others do but years of backyard engineering tells me I can definitely build one so it works, and beats you with a shovel for speed and ease any day of the week. Would it be the most effective way to build one, certainly not! But it's smaller and much easier to build for most homeowners. It's not always about having the most perfectly designed machine to do the job, as that has already been built. It's more about sharing ideas of adding flexibility and attachments to the machines we already have and having fun with it. But so much for having fun with this one now, Thanks! Going by your philosophy and wisdom, why even have a loader on a garden tractor, get a skid steer. It's better designed. Why build a tractor with a bed on it, buy or use your pickup or a trailer. Why build a little hoe bucket, use a shovel. Such vision. .

The fact my 2000 mile request got any responses at all is more than humbling. I appreciate everyone taking the time to review and reply to the request! You all are awesome!

good looking monte carlo ss ... the old nascar monte ... tractor looks very good - 314-8 with Kohler Magnum ? if so - this would be one of the most desirable WH tractors avail for home use / medium size yard ( and even better with a desirable 48" deck ) very few tractors would match the performance, versatility, reliability durable as an anvil - require little more than basic maintenance - and will provide years and years of service easy to work on - install / remove attachments including mower deck and snow plow (w/no tools) - and items including belts are also fairly easy to replace (and if quality belts are used they will provide years of service before replacement required)

Point taken Goofey but if it weren't for things tested and discarded 50 years we probably wouldn't have the machines that actually do work these days.

That magnum 14 is a great engine. Mine runs great and simple to work on and you can still get parts for them. Thats a good lookin tractor. Nice monte carlo too!

Well did You Know for the Off set design Somebody did Make a Front Mounted Backhoe at one time for them My Great Uncles Neighbor had one On the Neighboring farm. Wish I had a Picture But the last Time I saw it was 46 years ago

Wow talk about calling the kettle black EB...

You're right, that's pretty close. The Cub sub frame appears to be beefed up compared to the WH but I'd still use it in a heart beat. I'm guessing the idea is to loose the weight of the second arm and the hydraulics. Maybe? Maybe for being simpler to build? Add another ram and a small bucket on the end of it for a hoe attachment. You'd have to move the whole tractor to simulate the swing but beats using a shovel. And figure out a way to keep it from mashing down on the front end.

@Oldskool you should be get all the bearings, bushings and seals locally except the axle end seals. These do not cross reference to any other seals and thankfully Lowell at Wheelhorse parts and more has sourced having these made.

The only practical pulley swap is a larger engine pulley.The pump snout on an Eaton 1100 will not allow a smaller pulley.The trans pulley is bell shaped to clear the pump.

Don't listen to him Zeke ...his restos consist of putting a rose bud on the cutting torch with some coat hanger for filler wire!

ED,,,YOU JUST HAD TO TELL...................WELL HOPEFULLY THEY FIND OUT ....PLEASANTLY ,,,,, WHO EVER KNEW..????