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The trailer hitch I have for the Cinnamon Horse is one that bolts to the front and back of the axle. (eBay find). Because of this I haven't been able to have the hitch on at the same time as the plow bracket. For the last couple seasons I've been swapping from a plow bracket to a trailer hitch. Yesterday I would have really liked to bring the splitter down into the forest and didn't want to take the time to unbolt the plow. Also, the side angle lever for the plow hits my brake pedal when it's in the up/back position. No brakes .. I've been making sure to have the plow lever centered to avoid this. Not anymore..... I went online looking for ideas to fix this hitch or just buy another one and on the site of the seller where I purchased this hitch I noticed that they have an option to buy a hitch that has plow brackets. Because of the fact that the brackets are in a fore-and-aft mounting position it moves the whole frame of the plow forward about 2 inches. PERFECT!!!! Well that was the impetus I needed to finally get around to getting the band saw up and running. I took a 7" section from an old badly worn long frame. Got some measurements and set about to fabricate myself some brackets. Here I am part way through the process. They're bolted together so I can get the closest mirror image possible. Remember this is all guesswork and hand grinding until it fits. I forgot to take a picture of the finished product. This drawing represents the piece that I had to cut out to make room for the back of the plow frame where the rod crosses through. Here's a shot from inside the seat pan on the right hand side of the tractor. Same side from the back on the ground. Here's a close-up so you can see the notch I cut out. Because of the fact that I moved the whole plow frame forward 2-1/2" I had to make a spacer to move the lift lever back because it contacted the steering pillow block. Here's the amount of clearance I was left with from brake pedal to plow angle lever.

First a hydro, then a hyd lift, then a cab, then a heated cab, then a blade angle lever inside the cab. All snow plowers will get there eventually as they get older and wiser.

No name Wheel Horse 8 speed - at this point I have no idea if it runs - crankcase oil doesn't look bad -no water - engine turns with no noises - seals are out on the trans both hubs are drifted into the trans case . I actually picked this up for a parts tractor but this 16 hp k341 really has me thinking getting this back in service . I can't get this in the garage and start working on it until spring . Putting the numbers in I'm coming up with 1982

Went to my neighbors farm today to help clean up some downed trees. This is a place so peaceful and inspirational. In a deep valley below that up above also has a marker that is the highest point in Tennessee. If you look close in the picture just to the right of the bench there's a stick with an eight point rack on it. It fell a few feet from where it's now posted. It appears someone shot it and ran to this point and died here on private land. Water is crystal clear and full of aquatic life.These boulders are a product of interstate 65 here when it was built. Was told these were a product of when they dynamited rock and scattered it in and around this valley. A couple of them are as big as a mini Cooper and have visible drill holes still in them. IMG_7293.MOV

We have an old roll around table that my grandfather built at least 3 decades ago. It's extremely handy. I put a vice on one corner many many years ago. It's become Trina's go to work station. Just the right height. Roughly 30 by 40 inches. She's been looking for a way to grind paint and rust indoors and we talked about that in another thread here somewhere. We put a furnace filter on the face of a box fan and she fastened the fan to the corner of the table. She also put a power strip on the leg of the table for a handy 120 volt electric source. She tried it out this evening by removing more paint with the grinding wheel. Worked great!

Picked up a 518XI the other day complete with bird droppings. Needs crank seals replace. Gonna pull motor today and get my parts list together. Thinkinh of putting my Ark loader on this one.

I have a similar set up on my Raider 12. I used a Hien Werner hydraulic pump on mine. I do not know your skills or your availability to a machinist but here is how the pulley is mounted to my fly wheel. Start with a rod coupling nut. You will need one the same size & thread pitch as the fly wheel nut. Partially thread a bolt into one end of the coupling nut and weld the two together. Cut the head of the bolt off & turn the rest of exposed bolt down to 1/2". This will allow you to mount a pulley with a 1/2" I.D, on the the nut. Last measure the length of the crank shaft sticking out past the flywheel. Turn the other end of the nut down so the the depth of the hole will come close to the crank shaft but not bottom out on it. Example of a rod coupling nut. https://www.grainger.com/product/1CWD7?gclid=Cj0KCQiAxfzvBRCZARIsAGA7YMxmTHKULA__BnRmqchKSHfHAoIg5PMj5IAXPgkonGN4IEsbCdfVH8EaAgf9EALw_wcB&cm_mmc=PPC:+Google+PLA&ef_id=Cj0KCQiAxfzvBRCZARIsAGA7YMxmTHKULA__BnRmqchKSHfHAoIg5PMj5IAXPgkonGN4IEsbCdfVH8EaAgf9EALw_wcB:G:s&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!50916758277!!!g!82128323997!?cm_mmc=PPC:+Google+PLA?campaignid=175663197

This guy is a sucker for hydros...especially early model Sundstrands. We beat the snot out of ours for 30 years and it has gone through two restorations yet the hydro is original! I can’t wait to follow along and see what you think of this tractor once you have it fully functional. I definitely think that you should upgrade to hydraulic lift since guys are offering you the parts. That would really be the “icing on the cake”! I like my GD tractors but I also like my Hydros...I don’t mind having some of each in our stable👍🏻

I've been thinking about picking up a hydro of some sort for at least a year. I'm curious to see what it's like to plow snow with one. This one was found by @Stepney Spenser. Near as he can figure it's a 1970 model year. It needs a changeover from a bad module to a Points ignition system. From there some wiring and a test drive to see how the transmission performs. If all goes well up til then I'll take apart the transmission and change axles and hubs on both sides. Then see where we go.....

Well today's the day that I got started on this project. I spend some time acquiring many of the parts for this. On 12/18 I picked up the final major item from @richmondred01. I figured that my K181S was under powered to run this PTO setup so I decided to increase HP. I acquired a K321 fuel tank bracket setup, starter generator brackets from a WH 953, starter generator brackets, from a MF10, a type II power steering pump, and hold your breath a oil reservoir from a JD 214 (as you can tell the color just had to go). I also have a C160 hydraulic cylinder, control valve, and rockshaft that I acquired earlier as well which should be a direct fit assembly. Now I need to acquire a PTO shaft for the front flywheel, to run a pulley for the pump. (If anyone has these and would like to part with let me know) Here is my beginning mock up. I am waiting for some Kohler head studs to arrive, and need to determine how to align and hook the oil reservoir to the pump. I forgot to mention I have checked my max height that I can raise the reservoir to is 19.5".

@Sparky Didn't want to hijack your Topic that I enjoyed in February so I figured I would add to it. I also put a few pics of what it looked like a few weeks ago. We did have a good 8'' and then lost that and then the heavy rain for 1 night. The Brook shown is in the middle of the property and usually do not see it like this more than 2 or 3 times a year but always welcomed for the sound and beauty of it. The pics of the 417-8 were taken 2 hours before sunset on Friday and the Brook starting to freeze over were today at noon. The snow total is down to 3 '' now and I have it packed good. It's unfortunate that we all live so scattered because when I took the pics on Friday afternoon I was thinking how cool it would be to have a Winter M & G with all the Boys with their Red tractors running all the trails and stop for a picture shoot. But as we all know it's hard enough to plan for one in the milder weather without having to deal with a Washout or brutal humidity even here in Maine Enjoy the pics.

Coil test specs. if yours doesn't test out I have a couple that do and Eric can just have one. Working breakerless is much better than battery points especially in the snow. No moisture on the points no need to adjust clean either. Once you plow with a hydro you will never go back to gear jamming. 7 mph forward 3.5 reverse much faster and much quicker going from forward to reverse. And you Charger will have the 10 pinion limited slip differential. (Lowell has the spring if you rs is bad.) All my snow horses are Charger/Electros . With weights and chains they move a heck of a lot of snow fast!!!!

So we get a proper ID! This tractor I bought in the late fall, and the fellow said it had not moved in something to the tune of 20+ years after something failed on the mower deck. The body and engine are in generally great appearing shape, but the rear axles and deck have been pounded to death by rough ground. The deck folded in half when removed. The rear hubs have over 1/8" of slop, one was shimmed with what looks like copper pipe. Bolts hold the shafts in place. Apparently the original owner was indeed a life-long plumber. All the mower deck pivots were shimmed with more copper pipe, one of the pulley bolts was replaced with another piece of a faucet ... nickel was still shiny!

Got my first born out today with the 48 inch blade in tow.With the temps to near 60 this week its hard to get in the mood to push snow so im doing some dirt work on my hillside. This 414-8 has a strong push. I have some logs to move ill get some pics on that later! Of course shes had a bath!!

Today i cleaned up the brake band and siliconed new material to it Then i welded up the fender pan bracket Installed 4 new bumpers Wetsanded the fender pan and installed the belt guard

Thats absolutely excellent Ebinmaine. The engineers at work could take a good lesson from you. And beleieve you me we try to get there heads out of the clouds........SIGH! Thats top shelf. in fact that deserves a cheers!

Pull the hydro motor and rotate it 180 degrees you should get 7 mph in reverse....Unfortunately only 3.5 forward....

I'm kind of guessing since my hydro experience is very limited but... Could the linkage be worn or sloppy which is not moving the lever on the trans (which controls the speed) as far as it can go and or to it's full capacity of movement? Lift the rear wheels and sit it up on jack stands. Now you can manipulate the linkage by hand while watching it. If that lever and linkage on the trans can move a little farther, it will increase the speed. You can probably do it without lifting it and the tractor running too but but proof is in the pudding if you can actually see if it increases in speed. Follow the ENTIRE linkage from the speed control lever all the way to the trans. Lots of those little worn areas add up and by the time it controls the speed, you loose some because everything isn't tight anymore. It's a fine line between adjusting for neutral and getting full operating speed when the parts are worn.

That the part that interests me. We have a fairly large area to plow. Back. Forth. Back. Forth. Back. Forth. Back. Forth. Back. Forth. Back. Forth. Back. Forth. Back. Forth. Back. Forth. I have no idea how many times..... I'd like to get better life from a belt. That's a lot of slipping and wearing the belt down. I'd also not mind if I didn't have to reach down and shift sooooooooooo many times. Speed isn't a factor for us because the surfaces are VERY rough. Mixed between different gravel sizes, stone etc.. I plow at 3/4 throttle in second and reverse. If we have a season that's colder than normal we can sort of use the ice to smooth out the drive a bit. Then I can go faster.

I wasn't sure about a hydro when I first got my 877 for working in the snow, because I thought the job the 68 Commando did was great. Once you start with a hydro you find it's so much nicer and a lot quicker compared to the manual, not having to shift and try to find gears. I'd swear it's cut a half hour off my plowing time. I've got a rather large circular driveway that connects the house, barn and the horse shed, then a 1/4 mile driveway. with the Commando it took about an hour and a half depending on the amount of snow. The last couple of storms it's only been about an hour. And they have been fairly decent storms. Seems as though the 877 is faster, at least the snow rolls of the blade nicer. Might also have a bit to do with putting on a 48" blade instead of the 42" the Commando had. Although it's only a 6" difference. Give it a try though, I'm sure you'll be pleased with the outcome as long as thee tranny is in good shape. I may even try to find another one

Having installed a Lister-Petter LT1A in several WH tractors without any frame reinforcement I'd say your going to be fine. The LT1A is a heavy single cylinder air cooled and with the electric starter should be right in the 200 lb range. The last install was in a 12hp Charger Auto. Ran this combination for a number of years and am now in the middle of installing it in a C-160 8spd. Here is a photo of it in the Charger along with a photo of the engine.

Put my 1962 Wheel Horse 42 inch plow on my 854 today! This is my number 3 back up snow equipment! I usually put this plow on my 701 as it has the hydraulic lift and the correct rear hitch for this plow. The first pic is of the rear end on my 701. No round cross bar on the 62 plow frame normally to lock into the later type rear plow hitches. Two shoulder bolts were used in this 1962 version. so I tweaked my frame with a rod that I can remove as needed.

I am working on re timing it as one of the valves was opening at the wrong time. Once that is done the reinforcement of the frame will be started and then it’s down to mounting on the frame.

Thanks for the specs! My meter is less than amazing (cheap and it's been left out in the rain before) but it showed 11.26k ohms. That seems pretty close to right, given that the meter could be off some. No continuity between the power post or bracket. I think this thing is good! I should get it sent out tomorrow.

Or, Larger tires. 23" to 26" tires would increase ground speed about 1 mph

you really gotta stop with the 2nd helpings and the deserts i saw an improvement when I cut back a couple of beers and omit the bacon from my 1/2 pd burgers - can now coax the Eaton to move me in less than 2 minutes

Clear an area at the center and then go round and round in ever increasing concentric circles.

I just bolt them together but I can see now how the "staying original" apple did not fall far from the tree!

Pulled the motor out and took the rolling chassis it to the car wash. Cleaned up the engine it was a mess of caked on oil. The crank seal on the flywheel side was loose.

Use the M style ignition switch. The SSI runs off a part of the stator. you should download the tecumseh engine manual here for a full explanation.

@wheelwhores Nice thread, interesting to find out how deep everyone had to reach into their pockets to buy one of the best Garden Tractors ever built. The only one that is mine is the 312-8, The C-175 and the 520-H were bought at the same Dealership as mine and I ended up with the old paper work when I bought some of the attachments. The paper work for the 520 shows the total amount and no breakdown with attachments as does the C-175, also note the C-175 was traded up for the 520. As the ad says on page 144-5 in the book Wheel Horse Story Final addition,Wheel Horse owners once, Wheel Horse owners for life.

I've never felt that the steering effort was a problem. As a matter of fact the ease of steering is one of the things that I liked about the conversion. The sound and torque is the other. To mount the engine all that was necessary is two pieces of 1 1/2 x 1 1/2 x 1/4 angle welded across the frame rails with the leg up. The engine itself will act as structural reinforcement to the frame. Many full sized tractors have no frame rails at all.

That’s a heck of a deal! If you can hold it until June, I’ll offer ya 10x what you paid for it!

I'd tested the trigger by the Kohler book with a meter and it still seemed to be working, as was the stator coil under the flywheel. I think ice got to the external coil and that's what ended all that. Didn't have a spare coil on hand to try.

Nothing simple comes to mind. You would have to get the swash plate to tip further in reverse mode. Spec is 3.5 mph reverse. if you want painfully slow try a gear drive about 2.5 mph.

I'll see if I can find it here in a bit. I'm fairly sure that I know where it is, but you know how that goes!

On a B or C series tractor there should be C or E clips on the rod the hood is on. Just inside where the hood hits the hinge. On the earlier square hoods there should be a cotter pin at the end of the rod attached to the hood.

I have a pair of autos I keep running in the winter, one with an Eaton 11 and one with an old ATF sundstrand like this one. The Eaton takes a solid 5 minutes before it'll consider moving. My '68 will lift and drive as soon as the engine is running. Maybe it's the thinner oil?

Congratulations, nice Charger In your cold area it will be interesting to see if you need a magnetic block heater on the transmission

It's there but not functioning. Cracked top has let in water and become rusted. I have the parts to change over to a Points ignition. The machine in general does likely have low hours considering the length of the time it was unused.

Eric I always found with hydro`s if you have room for them there ok. Meaning if you do not have to move them. I am a stick man my self I think you are your self being gear jammer. Enjoy the project if you get it.

Oh ... I hope there is a build thread coming up...

I bolt them also.

Certainly. I got a couple cheapos to make sure the idea would work. Now that it's together I'll pick up a better filter. Worked better than expected. You can see on the table her facemask... Is nearly clean. Bring em on up!!

Very well done Mike, gonna have to “borrow” this idea!

Eric, you need to get Trina a washable filter for Christmas, the cost of those throwaway filters will add up. https://www.lowes.com/pd/WEB-Furnace-AC-Filter-Common-20-in-x-20-in-x-1-in-Actual-19-625-in-x-19-625-in-x-0-875-in-Washable-Electrostatic-Air-Filter/3131313?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-rpe-_-google-_-lia-_-171-_-airfilters-_-3131313-_-0&store_code=717&placeholder=null&gclid=CjwKCAiAlajvBRB_EiwA4vAqiKC29Px52qaopWDQbHvRrqfRrJ6yJxiELDM5kdw_gw35Z4kv1b5C-RoCQ7gQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

heheheh pritty cool, Ive been collecting my older chevy tracker parts because I do have plans to make a 4x4 wheel horse after Big Red.

"Always use 3 points of contact and face the vehicle when entering and exiting." Oh no.... Some of my training actually stuck.... Option 2: leap?

And..... If that doesn't work out....... let me put it in my Speedex 1631!!!!