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Thank you all for the comments. I really do appreciate it! He could’ve mistaken it from another brand if no logos or decals were on. Yellow is a different take for sure. I forgot about the greys ones. I haven’t seen one in like twenty years. I’m ready to start fix this little thing up. Mainly for my daughter to drive when she grows a little bit bigger!

A few of us took a weekend trip to Allenstown New Hampshire to Bear Brook State Park. Mountain biking. Trail walking.

Wait there's hope! I have the one In a million. . Just kidding. It was red some many, many years ago. Shardisty.

Hi good folks So I have been messing around with a diesel conversion project, based on the engines I have started import of. Now this week I had thrown in my lab, that I needed to go figure out how to do some basic video editing. I took that as an excuse to practice on that project Thought I could use you good people as ginny pigs V-twin diesel test. Web version.wmv

So I bought what I think is a 1961 suburban, with a Kohler k91. I bought it at an auction sight unseen, it was stored in a barn for the last few decades at least. It appears to be complete. I would like to do something about the engine before I put any work into any other parts of the tractor because I want to make sure it drives etc. The recoil assembly doesn't work but the engine is free, but feels like low compression or like something is not right. What is a good engine swap for these? I have a 3/4" output for the pulley, so that would be easiest. I have seen predator swaps, but not much info, I would like to find a older briggs possibly, I have a few snow blowers and other small engines around, any suggestions? Also how does that draw bar work? What does the cable connect to?

Well, I’ve done a bit here and there recently, but it’s been hard to find the time now that I’m working again. FINALLY got the floor to the horse barn done, and was able to move everything in this weekend. Now I have my own space to work on my own things. I should be able to come out and work on things as I find the time.

Haha, my forum name comes from everything else sitting in my garage. I have 2 farmall super A's, a bright red miata, my current mower is red (huskee) and now this wheel horse. My wife said if my favorite color isn't already red, it's time to change it.

no kisses on the 1st date. the father is a big dude and very protective

Here in Northern New England there are thousands of private graveyards or cemeteries. This one was on the side of one of the trails which was obviously a cart road back in the 1800s. The oldest grave we found was 1825 and the newest one was in the 1880s if I remember right. The Leavitt family, all through there. One of the things I forgot to mention in my original post is that this park was part of the CCC or civilian conservation corps work that was done in the 1930s. The shelter at the campsite that we were staying was constructed in 1937 and rebuilt by eagle scouts in 2012.

How to date a Kohler... Well, first a Kohler has seen a thing or two about longevity so you really need to impress ‘er. I’d suggest courting it with some bribery of new points, then once it’s comfortable with your gentle touch try getting in to clean the carb. Suggestive lighting like workshop LED’s should do the trick, then you’ll having her purring all weekend long!

@Too much red! Nice FREE 854, but how could one ever have too much red? These tractors are addicting and seem to bring strays home. Here’s a little inspiration to prove that you can’t get too much red

Got my leaf-season deck all done up and mounted on the GT1848.. just need some 8" rear wheels since the 10"'s rub the gauge wheels. Saved a 516-h from the woods..

As it stands right now you can mow, push snow and till the garden. Presuming you have storage room and aren't in need of quick cash I see no advantage in disabling a running machine that can do all that to receive an incomplete tiller.

Well today I received my hitch from @wheelhorseman(Lowell) wheel horse parts and more), so I installed it on my C-145 auto and works great!!!!!!!!

I changed my mind allot on this project, but i landed on a 18hp opposed twin briggs to stick in it, cut the hood, and am going to run ag tires all around......

Hooked up my old Snapper dethatcher to the 702 today to do some much needed lawn dethatching! Dry weather the last six weeks has done a number on my normally green lawn! Put my set of three 12 lb weights on the back of the dethatcher and cleaned it off after two passes. Does a great job.

Eventually you just get used to the basic generalizations of the model numbers, and like all things, sometimes there are things that just don't quite fit the patterns.. otherwise you'll go mad trying to figure out where the oddball model numbers fit in! There's only one model I know of with a 3 in the middle.... nobody knows where they came up with that one!

Behave yourself.

That would be ideal, but ive had to give up on a few here and there, so just need the recoil to start pulling on it. This is my first wheel horse of this style, work on allot of different stuff, so looking forward to it.

The most rare Massey that I know of in the states is a Massey Ferguson Elf. It was built by Gutbrod and never exported to the states. To my knowledge there is only one on North American soil & that one is in Canada.

The K321S-60440 came from a 1986 414-8 model 31-14K801. It will have the 3 amp charging system with diode and battery ignition. The 2nd stator winding powers the lights. https://www.partstree.com/models/k321-60440-kohler-k-series-engine-made-for-wheel-horse-14hp-10-4kw/ignition-tp-691-b-3/ This diagram should work for you. Garry

Luv Muscle!

Tried to respond on my Blackberry What ever I did wrong, I did it twice There's a lot to be said about consistency Sounds like a deal to me Sending you a PM I'll try NOT to and That's one mean lookin' tool. I'd try that but they don't trust me with sharp objects

I love this photo!

Thanks for the great pictures Jeff @WV Hillbilly!! Looks like there were a lot of cool cars there. That Luv truck looks incredible!! Sure makes me miss my old "Luv Muscle"

Ten HP Kohler engines 1965 and earlier had the primer lever, best ides they ever had, don't know why they ditched it. The Then and Now fuel pump kits have what you will need to rebuild it.

IMHO. No. That would leave you with a chassis that has no engine. Much more difficult to sell. At least around here.

You fix up that C and it will run circles around many bigger tractors.

Lincoln at AZ probably has one.He had several 953 parts I needed.

Spindle cups.

I finally made it back from the other side of the world! Loved visiting Kiev but I’m very thankful to be home in my little town. 5 million people is a little crowded for me... Kevin—I would say that you’ll have to play with the air pressure a little. I usually have my rear tires at about 8lbs. Depending on how much weight you run, average air pressure is sufficient. I welcome competing ideas but unlike drag racing and serious GT pulling, I don’t think that it is as important in plowing. Remember—you aren’t sitting flat like Putt-Putt is in the above pic when you are in the furrows. If you place the left front and back tires on 5” blocks, it will give you a more accurate contact patch. see the “moisture ring” on the right half of dad’s right tire. Kinda gives you that concept...

My son says it’s all there including the battery cover and mower deck. He pulled the engine for a replacement for his C85. He feels bad about doing that now since we found out how rare & old the tractor is. Hopefully I’ll be posting pics of it after work today. 😁

That will work. On some i have the terminals to the front and some to the back to avoid contact with Engine shroud or fuel tank depends on the genny pulley size and the belt I have on the S/G

As it happens I have 4. Our fellow member is correct about the history, Most, including me believe there were about 3,000 built from '64-'66 with the most being built in '66. Often the battery cover is absent and the choke and throttle controls have issues. All were powered by a Kohler 181 and most had the standard tire and wheel option, depending on how the dealer ordered it. 4.00X8 front tires and 6X12 rears being standard and 16-6.50X8 fronts and 23-8.50X12 optional. Seat options were also available ranging from a pan seat to a high back model, I believe the optional seat changed depending on the year the tractor was produced, but have nothing to back that up. They were painted Massey Ferguson industrial yellow. I make reproduction battery covers and have correct choke and throttle cables available as replacements.

hey just wanted to inform everyone that i have found a new source for sickle bar parts. Here's the link https://www.cuttingcomponents.com/jari-replacement-section-102500-2-w-x-2-13-16-h-3-16-hole-on-1-3-8-centers.html

If I were you, I would take the head off the Kohler and check for a stuck valve. When they sit a long time that is a very common problem and will cause loss of compression. Just soak it in marvel mystery oil for a while and it will come loose. I think fixing the kohler would be more worth the money than an engine swap. Also you can use a Tecumseh style recoil and cup on those 4hp kohlers if you don't want to fix the faribanks-morse recoil that is on it now. I did that with the 401 that I have because it was cheaper to do that than fix the original. Also, that lift cable threads through the tractor and connects to the bottom of your lift arm.

At what point do you give it a hug and a big kiss?

I finally got the actual piece of a Wheel Horse tractor shipping box framed!! It is 24”x 36”

Maybe they are just sad.

Well..... that C-145 may end up staying. My son and I got it running today. It needed a few things and a good carburetor cleaning but within a few hours it was running. He got about 2hrs seat time🙄 driving around and mowing. It actually mowed nicely. The hydrostatic operation made it super easy for him to use. I guess no we are considered collectors! Lol

Yeah it does cover some grounds in a hurry The nicest thing is that it cuts rather OK, even at that speed. Groundspeed is about the same as a commercial grade z-turn. This thing does the lawn in 45 minutes, where as my old c-120 42" took 2.5 hours. As does my scrubs mower, a craftsman 42". The 195 with the Kohler KT19 took about an hour. Best thing is a complete mowing has dropped the fuel consumption from a tad over 2 gallons of gas, to just shy of 1 gallon of diesel. 0.85 to be precise Some might ask what the reasoning is behind this project. Pretty simple actually. It takes less time to get the work done, and it is a joy to have power in abundance no matter what. But the biggest + is the economy of it. Fuel prices are stupid high here in the EU compared to the US. Gas is also significantly more expensive than diesel. On the fuel savings on a single mowing, there is a 10$ advantage. Or about 13.5$ per hour. I put at least 50 hours on this machine each year, so the quick math is a fuel saving of about 700$ a year.......................boom............... In my case, that makes it an investment with a very short full return time. In the US, had I been using this machine there, and based on the online prices I could find today. 2.85 for gas, and 2.90 for diesel. That would make for a fuel saving of 215$ a year, based on regular gas and no magic potions mixed inn. Not insignificant I would say

I recall this was when little grandson was telling older grandson to GET OFF MY TRACTOR This is to join in with you diverging from WH's @ebinmaine Older grandson moved to the bigger toy

Here are alternatives to consider, https://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/Pulleys/Finished-Bore-Pulleys/5-95-OD-3-4-Bore-1-Groove-Pulley-1-BK62-C.axd https://www.surpluscenter.com/Power-Transmission/Pulleys/Finished-Bore-Pulleys/6-25-OD-3-4-Bore-1-Groove-Pulley-1-BK65-C.axd

Can we see a photo of it?

Kinda. Lol. The plywood is starting to dry rot and the vinyl has shrunk. I got most of the stuff freed up. It’s in pretty amazing condition for its age. The Kohler is going back in. It runs very well and my son was running it in his WH tonight. Both of the tractors were picked up at the same scrapyard. Iv got to make a new brake band so it’ll stop and go through it yet. We managed to get the deck off. That has to weigh 100#’s. I plan on washing it up and keeping it as is. The X mark (to signify the crusher) on the hood and all.

Oh man, you better hope my wife doesn't find out who you are! Lol. I can see myself spending a lot of money on that site.

I am starting to think I want to ditch my ammeter and replace it with a volt meter. Ammeters are not super useful, as the amp demand can change and so without knowing the amp demand knowing the amp draw is pretty useless. Voltage output SHOULD stay fairly constant, within a given range, and so it is a much better indicator or charging system function.

Killin’ you? I’m the one that has to sample all this... again and again and again! Here’s the van I’m driving while we’re here. There are 8 adults traveling, soon 9 when Jil heads to Oktoberfest with us! It’s a Ford Tourney with a diesel (non-turbo) and 6 speed manual. 3 rows of 3 seats, the middle is facing rearward!

Rear PTO would in my opinion be best/easiest done by hydraulics, as you are probably wanting to go 540rpm. That however demands a pretty high flow, so the pump and pto motor will have to be matched. Not sure you would end up with enough PTO hp left to do anything real anyways, unless an engine upgrade is planned also. Good thing on the side is that you have plenty of flow to handle any and all attachment, and you have the option to run hydraulic powered attachments also, which actually is an OK way to avoid pto shafts and all that setup. So I would suggest considering that you could run direct hydraulics and save on initial build cost and complexity. Just a pump and some valves and a few hoze couplers, and a hydraulic motor on every attachment and some hozes................ That however will make it "look" less like a horse, and that may or may not factor in for you. But, from what I understand is the plan for your build, I would think simple and rugged design. Imagine this: No drivebelt, No side pto, No muledrive, No belts at all. Just hydraulic motors and a few switches and valves. I know, I know. Sacrilege I'm sure, but if it's just a matter of making a machine that will do the job........................... Hydraulic route also gives you easy servo steering setup, power enough to have a functioning cat 1 3pt., FEL etc, you name it. A side note if you want to go all out, would be a rear hydro transaxle that is strong, ment for heavier use, has difflock, has direct driveshaft input, and has great ground speed, and is build for the torque those bigger tires will demand. IE: TT K91/K92 Just my so far