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Eitch my eyes..... that better not be yours! Even the battery is green! What do you expect from a guy that puts his ags on bassacwards!

I believe painting your wheel horse John Deere green should be a felony.

We really do not mean to scare you away from the purchase if you want to make it. What we worry about is that the seller could be hiding a condition problem with the engine. it is pretty lame of him to advertise a rebuilt engine that you cannot hear run. Running when parked gives him wiggle room. Rebuilt and run for two years before it is parked gives him more. you really need to confirm that the engine runs before you buy it So here is what you do to actually hear that engine run. 1. Take a good strong battery to the tractor. If his battery is no good, disconnect it and use jumper cables to hook your battery to the + and - wires on the tractor.[Don't jump your battery to his dead one] The tractor engine should turn over. Remove the air cleaner and open the choke. Spray about a 2 second burst of carb cleaner into the air intake which will bypass the carburetor. Close the choke and the engine should start. Once it starts, fire little bursts of carb cleaner into the open choke and it should continue to run. The important thing to realize here is that carb cleaner is less volatile than gasoline or ether based starting fluid. Even at that have the garage door open so the tractor can be pushed outside or have a fire extinguisher handy. 2 If the engine runs, you can try a fuel tank held above the tractor by a pole wires from the ceiling or whatever. My portable tank [with safety shut-off] hangs from a hospital pole used for IV bottles This can be dangerous if something ignites, so think worst case scenario and make safe connections to the tractor. 3. You should also verify that the engine produces a spark to the spark plug. [if the engine does not run from your efforts above] Just get an inline spark checker and place it between the plug and wire. Maybe a $15.00 item that can negotiate a hundred off the price. Points with oil on them will stop the spark, but so will a lot of other more expensive things like a bad coil. It took me a while to find out on my last purchase, but then became obvious that the PO tried to bodge the wiring and the coil was hot with the ign. switch on , but shut down when the starter was cranked. no way should a "rebuilt motor have problems with wiring even if it has sat around. 4. If the seller starts to object to your completely non-invasive tests, share your concerns that he advertised a rebuilt motor that does not run.Also a good time to see the shop receipts. Tell him that you tend to take people at their word, but a non running engine is just that and it could hide some expensive problems. i love it when the seller says how the problems are easy to fix and will only take a bit of time to correct. Well, OK, i will grab a cup of coffee down the road and help you fix them when I get back. I usually respond that Shop rates are $80 or more an hour, and then politely offer him YOUR price. Be polite and say you understand that he may want to think about it. Leave your phone number and you may get a call back 5.When at all possible, buy from a farmer or retired guy.Older people tend to be more honest as do farmers. People who remember handshake deals mean something think enough of themselves not to compromise their reputation for money BTW, my last purchase was a C-141 with deck [needing a few parts] and a nice snow blade for $200. I got it to run, but it needs a rebuild. Great deal for me, but a horrible buy for someone with no mechanical experience who hires all his wrenching done by others. Last fall, i got a very dirty C-121 one that had lived in farm dust, but ran like a top for $225

WHAT THE HECK IS THAT???

Be nice guys. The person who did this is obviously mentally challenged and doesn't know any better! Just be happy that he was able to get outside of the assisted living facility and do something.

A little bit of everything, and PLENTY of Wheel Horse tractors. Amazing collection of machinery! Sale bill: http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/auctionview.cgi?lid=2943223&fe=2100405&txtSearchKeywords=Raines&txtSearchZip=46933&idxSearchCategory=0&txtSearchRadius=0 Still pics: http://www.auctionzip.com/cgi-bin/photopanel.cgi?listingid=2943223&category=0&zip=&kwd= Video:

I pick this up two days ago in New Milford Ct. Because it was cheap from a nice older Wheel Horse enthusiast. He is 75 and still going strong. He has a bunch that he is try to thin out. It was a long ride for me but The Dog and I had fun going after the B-80. The engine is a trans plant but very little score marks hardly any smoke. Should be a good plow tractor because of the HI Lo tranny. It is like Craig says You can not just have one tractor It is not allowed. I hope you enjoy the video.

That's just not right.

Wow... battery, battery cables, Fuel cap, choke knob..... these are parts I hadn't considered painting before.

Hi all Sorry for the noob question. And please don't think im beating on WH. Not the case, I love em. BUT, I have searched high and low. Many fine words stating the good things for many models, but in my noob eyes I have great trouble figuring out what differences there are from model to model. I see the age diffrences, and the new gadgets added over time, resulting in new models. But when I look at 3,4,500 series, C series, C-195 and GT14 etc. I honestly have great trouble finding what merrits those series. In my mind a 400 series must be bigger and better than a 300, and so on with the 500 series. But when I compare size and the obvious to the eye, I do not see a great difference. One is not significantly bigger than the other (not including the D and 5xx series), nor much heavier. Nor is there grounbreaking differences on wheels or much else. It seems that its just about a bit little bigger engine, and some more bells and whistels on the dashboard. Take the 520. Yes it has a better steering, and a bigger engine. Perhaps a stronger rear end also, but again its not like way bigger than a 400 series, or even a c-160. Yes its better, but that much? Please enlighten me. I really love the wheelhorse for its ruggedness and old school engeneering. All this comes from the wish to find a big reliable workhorse, and getting frustrated over not seeing that much difference from one model to the next. Everybody loves the one they have, and maybe that's because they are all good. Just makes it darn difficult to figure out wich ones are in a clase of their own. Guess what I'm looking for is a valid reason to spend out on what ever is considered to be the best of the best. So far I'm guidet to believe the 520 is significantly better than all the rest, except from the GT 14 and c-195, wich is also "big tractors". But when I look at tractordata, there are not a great difference in size or weight between these and a lot of other models. I know this is a smelly one to push in here, but when I look at JD's compact's, it makes sence. There is notable difference from a 1 to a 2 to a 3 to a 4 series. I'm looking for the light to shine in that way over WH models, in my mind. Sorry for ranting, and hoping for clarification.

Take the "maybe" out of my post above. Welcome to Red Square. I want to say one thing here that you should know and anybody else that joins in here should realize...you, being from Europe...Wheel Horse had a factory in Belgium. Long story short, Wheel Horse used parts to put out horses over there...they may have different model numbers and some different parts and looks from the manuals that you see from the state side horses. A lot of that is covered in the Manuals section on this sites main page. That in no means takes away from any of the quality...it was a mater of survival. Just something to know and learn about. There is a list of Belgium model numbers in the manuals section...not sure if we have an extensive list of Belgium Manuals, but the differences between say a Raider 10 and a C-101 may be nothing. Take a look and see what is available here...ask any questions. Welcome to the madness. BTW. I have seen diesels and "hit and miss" engines running these horses. You are only limited by your imagination. Dang...I sound like Willy Wonka.

Welcome to Red Square It is excellent to maybe have another member from overseas. I say maybe only because you are in here searching for answers to your questions. If we can answer them to your satisfaction, and you become one of those guys with a horse...please take the maybe out of my statement. You are correct...there is not much difference between models, and it is usually horse power that stands out. Size is always going to be comparable...you need to fit through gates in peoples yards. Tire size is another thing that may stand out, competition demands that you offer something that is a little cheaper without sacrificing quality...not everybody is looking for the same thing in a garden tractor. Another thing that was going on...the company was getting sold a couple of times...ie...3,4,5 virsus B, C D series. The plus here...attachments usually fit the different horses...exception "D" series. I kind of hit of the obvious differences. I'm sure some others will chime in. Anyway, Welcome to the site. You will not find a nicer, more helpful group of people.

Ok, it's all JD green, but it is still better looking then any real JD.

So who was that guy at last years BS that had a green & yellow ? I says to one of the staff how did that get in here! He says look again it's a horse. What the he double hockey sticks!

Even if it was a John Deere that is way to much green.

WHY?!?! Is the poor horse being punished for something???

Day 2. Got carb fixed as old needle just fell apart! Mikey the Monkey. buckrancher and Jo stopped by and Brian still needs to get me that cupholder! Ed, The pullers were covered up all day so no pics. will try tomorrow. This guy built this out of a CC and slapped a big honkin Wisconson on her. He needed a little help hauling a tiller to his site. And for Steve and Doug, I picked up another Monkey! This is Delos. I named it after a past Steam Engine Assoc. president who passed away a few weeks ago. He is sorely missed at the show.

Blasphemy!!!!

I have a chance to buy a c161 very close to home from a friend of a friend who saw it in his garage and asked him if he wanted to sell it. He said it has been parked in garage for a long time it belonged to his father who was original owner, not running right now but did several years ago. He said his father mainly used it for hauling a small cart around 3 acre yard and had other tractor for mowing. Long story longer he said $200 my friend said offer $150 and he'll take it, are there any known issues to watch for, would it be worth $150 any thoughts.

I bet that one will go for next to nothing being in the wrong line! None of the Deere fans will want and the Horse fans won't be paying attention. Unless the Deere folks think it is a very rare model that they have never seen and bid it up to an astronomical price.

... this should be posted on "What's in your mirror" already . Like @19richie66 said even for $200 I'd be smiling but I always try to negotiate . Now where did you say this friend of a friend lives... I'll pick it up for you ... promise !

I sure hope you all show up, it sure is a sight to see. Ive been going around there for 10 years and see something new every time. I was truly amazing as we pulled them out of the buildings how many there really were. Hope to meet some of you on the 16th. oh and 1 more thing...the Palamino is NOT for sale!!!!

@roadapples You and @857 horse best not ride together. You need a passport and he is a horse thief. We have plenty of big tree limbs down here.

Reckon he pulled the wheels and dipped it hooked to the hitch?

I think I see a road trip in the near future... Never rustled one from Va...

This is the auction for @Jjohnny1 of his Father-in-laws collection. Lets just keep this our little secret; that way there will be enough "Ds" to go around! I only saw one 1054 pictured.

@ohiofarmer that is some of the best advise I have ever read.

Turn away!

They had 3 horses like the one you are talking about. The 605 was a Tecumseh pull start...the 655 was a Tecumseh electric start and the 855 which was a Kohler electric start. To a collector, the 605 would be the one he would want, and probably the rarest and maybe worth that $750. To a guy that is looking for a horse he can use and maybe take to shows, the 855 would be the one to buy. There is nothing wrong with a Tecumseh (really) except it is becoming very hard ...make that extremely hard and expensive to find parts. That is making guys start to shy away from Tecumsehs. Kohler parts and spare engines are all over the place. If it is a true 605, there should be a model number on the tower about as high as the shifter. The model number might look like T-605.

And you call yourself a "casual observer"

I'm not sure if I'm going to attempt new tubes yet. The axles on the other hand will be quite easy to reproduce. Jim @WHX12 had mentioned the axle flip also. That option is kinda out for me though, as I cut the axle for full length keys on the hub end. This made my hub & axle engagement much stronger in my opinion. I will probably make new axles this time to get rid of the wear on the bushing surface.

While cruising around at a show last weekend the transmission in my rat rod Suburban locked up on me. Granted I've beat on this poor lil thing a lot so now I guess it's time to pay the piper. I really expected to see more catastrophic damage than there was. I thought that I would share a few pics with you. The most damage was on the diff case & gear. The brake shaft has some wear but no broken teeth. There is also some galling on the axle tube where the diff case rides. Time to start parts searching I guess. One question that I have. Does any one know if the axles are hardened? Judging by the indentations from the lock bolts on the hub, I'm guessing that they are not. The reason that I am asking is because I thinking about making new ones.

Should be "dipped"... in tar, & feathered.

Wish I was closer, I'd have it on a trailer already

Wow,My worst nightmare realized.How could that happen?

Just got another new keyboard out... ruined the first two with the drool. Totally a fun game of spot the coolest thing there. I saw a Roof Palamino hiding in the background of one of the lean-to pics, there's a couple of those cool old Michael Meyers hockey mask looking David Bradleys out in a tree line and I think that yellow one is a Struck Big Boy.... I can't even begin to imagine what's actually hiding in the corners that you can't see! And how many side mount sickles can one guy own?

That thought was actually going through my head this morn on my way to work. My thought was to shorten the outer tubes and the weld larger diameter pieces on to the outer ends to accommodate bearings. This would cure the outer bushing & expensive seal issue.

I was thinking along those lines as well, if a guy had better bearings out there and a guy has to make new axles make longer ones for wider rear end?? Just throwing ideas out there Dan.

If a guy were try to make new tubes could a guy incorporate bearings rather than bushings? For those high test wheelies! Just out loud again here!

I feel your pain - the damage to my utility trailer was from the tongue failing under a load and supported by the jack - I had intended to add a tie-in member to prevent this - didn't get the time to get it done . It basically just fell over , loaded and sitting on the jack the day I broke the engine coupling in the D when I tried to hook it to the truck . Pretty crap design and far too light of materials from the manufacturer . Pre-built a new one out of 2x3x3/16" rectangle box tubing - gotta weld that up today if it doesn't rain . The new tongue should stop the exaggerated flex in the front half of this trailer - the way they make them now is trusting too much in the engineers and not enough in quality of materials ....ugh . Might sell this one and go hunt down a 77"x14" utility with a 5,000lb rating instead of these lightweight junk 3,500lb models . Wish steel was a bit more fairly priced right now , I'd just use the new tongue to build a new , and much heavier unit . Sarge

As Jim said, the axles aren't hardened. You could make new ones if you can get the keyway milled out or you could just invert them and drill a new hole for the roll pin that retains the axle gear. New axle tubes would be cool but you'd get many more years of service by just replacing the bronze bushings. Come up with a complete list of what you'll need and I'll see what I have left. I do have a few things left for a 5003/5010 transmission but most has been scattered around the country.

No body gets bent over quite like us guys in CT. do, and that is a well known fact. As far as tractor prices go in CT.... There are a few guys in these parts that ask all the money but in most cases these particular sellers deal in mostly very mint and or rare machines. I think its the guys in the surrounding states to CT. that are payin the price.... I think the up and coming tractors that everyone is gonna be after is the nice original square hoods. They are plentiful and still affordable. Mikes Horsebarn's 855 at 750.00 (maybe even a little less) is a great deal. It looks to be a very nice restoration...

It is hard telling home many millions of revolutions those have made over the years!

Sounds like you have made the decision to buy it, and that is OK. I believe most of us feel you could find a better tractor for your needs at the same or lower price, but as the seller stated, maybe the engine has been rebuilt properly and only needs the fuel system repaired. If you do use the tractor to pull a heavily loaded trailer, please exercise caution as the brakes are not very good on these tractors as only rear wheel will brake. I am not a fan of the rocker plate engine mount either. Personally, if I could only have one tractor, I would search for a 312 hydro with hydraulic lift and the Eaton 1100 transmission. But rest assured, what ever you decide, we are here to help. I would not attempt to run a blower especially on a stone road. I would stay with the plow and call for help when the plow cannot handle that 1 or 2 major blizzards each year. Good Luck.

I might be missing something here but, I can't figure out why that fellow is cutting that pole at an angle. Maybe I'm watching the wrong thing!!! Jim

The replacement gates, latches, and hinges came in yesterday. Now it is hooked up and ready to go to the trailer repair shop tomorrow. I have already cut off all the damaged parts except the rear cross frame. If this happens again it will be my own trailer to worry about.

First day in the books; The site with Bruce's tractors added Cool IH some pullers feature area Keeping with tradition, Picking up a pizza on a round hood! And keeping with tradition. A pageant can't go by without me having a problem with a tractor. I got about as far a way from my spot on the 701 and it quit. I had to push it all the way back. Needle and seat will be going in tomorrow! The show dash plaque has a lever steer Economy and a roundhood on it. How cool is that!

Ultimately, final cost is determined by the buyer, & seller. Everyone here knows you'ld be hard pressed to "restore" that for $750, but... at the same time, I think I'd tap out @$500 for that particular model, regardless of how good it looks.