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Had decent weather today so I put 3 front ribs on the 753 and cleaned it up.

Time to accomplish a few things on this 702 I picked up this year. I was only planning on repairing the cracked trans mount, rebuilding the HY-2, and a few other minor tasks but after getting the tractor into pieces, Im wondering if I should just go ahead and do it up right and repaint the entire tractor! The patina of the tins is very attractive to me though so I am not sure what I want to do.... Hitch pin stuck in the trans so off to work tomorrow to use the press; wheel hubs came off without fuss, thankfully. Steering wheel was buggered up beyond repair with all 3 spokes having been broken so a quick cut with a sawzall and then use of a puller and it came off quick. New wheel for a Cub that is very similar is awaiting.

Hi everyone! I'm Freddie, from central Ohio. I'm a new Wheel Horse enthusiast. It started with a clean 1977 C-160 that the previous owner left at my new house. While researching about it and fixing a few things that it needed, I saw a Wheel Horse Suburban and knew I wanted one. I've got a 2.5 year old nephew, son of a farmer, who of course loves tractors. I used him as justification to find and buy a Suburban. It'll be our thing and in a year or two I imagine he will be able to drive it himself. I figure it's a better and longer lasting gift than one of those PowerWheels toys - and I can keep it at my house Attached are 2 photos of the tractors. The C-160 has a mower deck, but I have stripped and kept the PTO related parts, as the tractor is used to pull my firewood trailer to and from the woods. I've always used John Deere 214's as work horses, but I REALLY like the simplicity of this C-160, and the fact that everything on it is so easily accessible. The Suburban came with a non-running 3hp B&S, as well as a box of parts for a K90 that "needed a cam installed". Once I got it, I quickly realized why it needed a cam replacement - the engine had sat with water in the carb and intake port, seizing the valves. I assume someone tried to start or turn it over, and quickly snapped the camshaft. Otherwise the engine is in pretty good shape, and the crankshaft, rod, piston and cylinder walls all look phenomenal. I've got a lead on a running K91 that I intend to pick up tonight. Not sure if I'll opt to rebuild the K90 or sell/part it out but I'll keep it for the time being. This tractor's transmission needs new seals and at least input shaft bearings. I will find out what other bearings or potential parts it needs within the next few days as I tinker on it. The body on it is clean and straight, but has plenty of dried grease that I've been scrubbing off. Once I get the grease off, I'll get it washed up and oil coated again. I don't plan on painting it, other than possibly the new front wheels I'll need, and the rear wheels to match. I'll be posting some pictures of my transmission, a 5010, with a few questions about it. I've done LOTS of research, but I will post pictures and get second opinions on what it needs.

Doesn't hurt to 2x check Caddy but the seller A) The doesn't know squat, B) is trying to pull a fast one, C) doesn't know your a member here and the force is with you, D) is on crack, E) all of the above Still is a nice tractor cab & all but kinda high hours......gotta love that hydro plow...

I think I have given a nice couple a pretty significant Christmas gift of sorts. Have decided to land contract a house to them as they have shown the right stuff as tenants. They get the benefit of the room they need to raise their family and then later they can easily rent out the upstairs for additional income when the children are grown. We might get a bit less cash flow, but no more hassle with renting out the upstairs and worrying that a bad decision might make our best tenant move away. Kids have a hard time getting started these days with all the banking requirements and hoop jumping to buy a first house, so I hope that we are doing good for a deserving family as a way of giving back.

I want for nothing. I am very fortunate indeed. This year I am keeping folks who are struggling in my prayers - that they may know they are loved and cared about. I can't think of a greater gift I can give (or receive).

I recently found a local CL ad for an old drill press - turns out it was an older Delta DP 220 in great condition except it was missing the clock spring for lifting the quill assembly . Need to figure out what vintage this thing is and get a correct spring for it . Otherwise ,exceptional condition other than a couple of "holes of shame" in the table . Also want to get another step pulley for the motor as it runs far too fast for most metal work and just need this small bench top unit for doing small and lightweight parts . Still hunting a solid Powermatic or similar for a main large machine for heavier stuff . Nice old cast iron equipment , no real play in the quill other than the chuck that's on it and I'll probably upgrade that soon . I believe this one is from the 50's from some quick internet searching , need to look deeper into the machinery forums when I have time . Sarge

Nothing but the best for Santa. Top of the line C-195 (backup for the reindeer). Ho, Ho, Ho !

That is sure going to be a beauty when done! In response to Retired Wrencher... I think a lot of great threads (such as this one) get over looked because most guys follow the main Wheel Horse forum. Personally speaking, I believe a fine thread (such as this one) belongs there where it won't be missed....

I know there are a few threads and posts here on using the Predator engines on Wheel Horses. And I know @bowtieguy has one on his C-175, as I saw and heard it run in person. We just had a Harbor Freight store open up near me, in Farmington, Missouri. Sunday I went in and looked around and got me free gift and bought a drill kit and a hand winch. While I was there I took a look again at the Predator engines, specifically the 22 hp. My '88 416-8 has over 3650 hours on it and it still runs good. But it does smoke a bit and I did noticed a lot of crude on the spark plug. All indications that the 16 hp Magnum will probably need some attention in the near future. But the 416-8 may get a Predator 22 hp engine, if and when the Kohler Magnum finally gives it up. I hope it don't but, I would be excited to have a 422-8! In the meantime I might pull the head off the Magnum and have a look around and maybe do some cleaning.

I thought you guys would like to see the Satoh Beaver I picked up about 6 years ago and restored. It is almost like your 372 Jim I wish mine had a FEL though. 4 speed low high tranny Diesel 4 wheel drive

There is something about the color red in a white back drop.......I like it.

Cleared snow at the Tin Can today. 1974 B-100 Automatic. Ran great, no fuel issues!

God bless you for giving such a great gift to that family. May they never forget how someone helped them at a critical time and pass that along to someone else as they are able! Gifts like that come from the spirit of the Greatest Christmas gift given 2000+ years ago. It was a Gift given to those who couldn't make it on their own. Awesome! If you look at my "Iron Horse" thread you'll see pictures of the house that my parents had back in the 1970's. That was land contracted to them in 1974 when they had been married only 6 months. It was a time when interest was high and they couldn't afford it. God blessed the seed offering that AL Schultz gave to my parents back then. He is long since gone but they continue to help those in need today. Thank you for doing that for your tenants!

So, today two more horses followed me home. These critters sure are friendly! Somebody should have warned me that they breed like rabbits! Anyways, the first is a B80 with the 8 speed and a 16hp Kohler. The metal is straight and it runs strong. It does need a governor adjustment and the voltage rectifier needs to be hooked up. The tires look ok, but they are very hard and are starting to crack. The second is a Charger 10 with hydro trans, an 8hp Kohler that smokes a little, and duallies. This tractor needs a new voltage rectifier, one new rear tire, and an engine rebuild or new engine. These tractors came as a package deal with a bunch of parts, including a couple mule drives, a 30-some inch universal snow plow, and a 38" triple blade rear discharge deck. $400 took it all home. How do you think I did?

Picked this up yesterday, not like I needed another project but the price was right and always wanted a FEL on a compact tractor. Supposedly has a 2 cylinder, 15 hp. Is 4wd too. Haven't had any time to delve into it yet, way too cold outside to work on it and no room in the shop! Been told it has a mower deck that goes with it that is buried in the PO's shed for retrieval in the spring. Nother thing I though was strange as it has rear pto that has three speeds??

Okay, it's been a few weeks since the 2016 hurricane season ended, thought this might be a interesting read for you guys snowed in. Also I've got time on my hands, it hasn't gotten above 48 degrees in two days, I'm not going out side! As a life long Floridian, adept at hurricane preparedness, there are certain indicators I use to tell if a storm could be serious. For most of us well seasoned Floridians there are Six Tiers of level of concern. They are as follow: First Tier: Grocery stores are out of bread and water. Rookie panic move, not a ton of concern yet. Second Tier: Schools are closed. Safe move, still no panic, work will probably be next. Third Tier: Work is cancelled. Maybe something to this storm, glad I bought bread and water. Fourth Tier: Gas shortages. Ok, need to pay close attention, gas shortages are serious. Fifth Tier: Mandatory evacuations. If your on the coast, JUST DO IT!!! Sixth Tier: Disney World closes, evacuates all areas of the park, and refunds people their money! S**t just got real, we may actually die! Now, there is a Seventh Tier. I don't like to mention it though because it usually means the finger of GOD is about to touch down in our state. SEVENTH TIER: College football games are cancelled. I... I don't even know what to do at this point. It's the end times! FEND FOR YOURSELF!!! All joking aside you guys on the east coast hope you fared well, I feel Ya. Chris

It always gets my wife pretty excited when I come in the house smelling like diesel. I hardly get in the door & she demands that my cloths come off. Works every time! .......Of course then she says "Put them in the washer and go take a shower!"

Nice machines and a great introduction story! Mike..........

Sure is! Im a GM nut myself. 88 K5 with 3/4 axles and a 330 HP Vortec head crate and TH400

Jim---you thought is was @stevasaurus until you saw zoomed in and saw that he was wearing socks! Nope---definitely not Steve---he's wearing socks for sure. Must be Uncle Roger! @T1257 RETIRED WRENCHER. That sure is a beautiful 1075! I showed this thread to dad last Saturday and your comments posted here. He was certainly impressed. I'm not sure why you didn't have good success with your hydro but I know that dad's has been up to the task through the years. Thank you for your positive input. As for the original 8hp motor...you'll have to stay tuned in to hear the story about that one. If the moderators would like to one day link this story to a more "visible" area of the forum, I'd be more than happy to have them do that. It has been a great story to tell I think mainly because it is the fabric of my life. Like the Brad Paisley song, "this is country music", I would like to say, "This is Wheel Horse tractors and we do!" "We do"--what? WE DO: Snow removal Garden Work Lawn Care Commerical work Ground Engaging Work Towing Basically...whatever is asked of us. (If you aren't familiar with the song, you'll have to look it up for this to make sense!) My only regret with this tractor is the fact that the first 10 years of its life are unknown to me. However, the next 40+ are right here, spelled out in this thread. I'm thankful to have had the Iron horse in my family all these years but I'm more thankful for the life lived and loved during that time in which this tractor has been a part. I hope that comes through clear as you have read this story. More to come over the holiday season...

Making some steady progress on the blade refurbishment. Have the patch tacked into place. Have to finish welding and then make up new wear/cutting edge.

Good statement, lots of ammeter drag racers spend a tremendous amount of time and money finding the next weakest link after they build a "bullet proof" world beater engine.

Made a 4 hour round trip on Sunday to pick up a 48" blade w/rear bracket for $150.. Needless to say, it was well worth the trip and the money!! Can't wait for snow more snow!!

Yep, im right there with ya Sarge. Its kind of a crap shoot but in the 2 weeks ive had my Horse ive done a lot of searching. Ebay, craigslist...the classifieds here. Before I got the issues solved with my pump/motor I was talking with 3 different people who had 160's for sale that I could use as a parts tractor. Lots of cross-referencing between models to see what transmissions would work, motors, transaxles etc. You're almost damned if you do damned if you don't. Preventative maintenance can help things last forever, but far too often ive seen it backfire. Similar to people who try to change their transmission oil and filter after not changing it for over 100,000 miles when they start to have problems. New oil with fresh detergents and a higher flow rate with no more particulate to assist the clutch plates and bingo, need a new trans overnight. Having said that I'd still try to get in there and help the components along. Seems there are still a lot of tractors out there to be had, even for parts. The pump that came with my tractor was off a tractor produced after mine was discontinued. It would have worked if the valve assemblies were complete. I've read on here that most of the Sundstrand pumps are practically identical with slight variations on the endcaps. I know of a couple "tractor graveyard" websites that sell old tractor parts too. I stumbled on one of them just doing a part number search on google for a pump end cap. Complete for $20 plus shipping. In fact that's how ive been finding my parts, just googling the part number given in the manuals prefaced by "wheel horse". I knew going in that I should start accumulating spare parts when they popped up...or buy a parts tractor when the right deal came along. You'll have to improvise along the way...such as my charge valve ball and spring from ace hardware. Fabricating your own parts, modifying etc...like gaskets. Pretty much have to make your own but sometimes all that stuff is part of the fun for me. Id definitely try to amass some sort of rebuild kit based on what typically goes wrong with the component you're going to rip in to. This thread would have gone a lot differently if I didn't have an extra pump on hand. It seems like we almost have to become experts on our particular models, know their trouble spots, what will fit/work for aftermarket parts and plan accordingly. Its so much more than just owning an old tractor, but for me that makes it so much more fun...and cooler. Imagine trying to repair these tractors without a network and support group like this forum. I probably wouldn't have sprung for a Horse to be honest. Sure glad this place is here.

Howard, when the time comes for her surgery please post a prayer request on her behalf; many of us can attest to the power of prayer!

12-21-1974 Harry Chapin earns a #1 hit with “Cat’s In The Cradle” Harry Chapin earned a reputation as a politically conscious singer-songwriter who dedicated himself, in the years before his untimely death, to various noble causes, including wiping out world hunger. Indeed, his greatest legacy may stem more from his charitable efforts than from his music itself, but for a brief period in the early 1970s, Harry Chapin was a legitimate pop star. On this day in 1974, he earned his one and only #1 pop hit when his bittersweet story-song “Cat’s In The Cradle” reached the top of the Billboard Hot 100. Before turning his attention to music at the relatively advanced age of 29, Harry Chapin pursued a career as a film director, earning an Oscar nomination for his 1968 boxing documentary, Legendary Champions. In 1971, he recruited a backing band via an ad in The Village Voice and recorded his first album. Released in 1972,Heads & Tales included what many fans regard as Chapin's signature song—”Taxi,” a lushly produced, six-minute-plus story song about a San Francisco cab driver and a long-lost love he picks up as a fare. Despite its length, “Taxi” became a hit, reaching #24 on the Billboard pop chart in the spring of 1972. Chapin’s second and third albums were nowhere near as successful as his first, and he’d turned his full-time attention to writing a Broadway show when his fourth album, Verities & Balderdash, unexpectedly became a smash hit on the strength of "Cat’s In The Cradle,” a tale of an absent father and an endless cycle of intergenerational dysfunction based on a poem written by Chapin’s wife.

I personally would probably leave the 702 cosmetically as it is however its yours to do as you like. It would look nice whatever you decide. She is pretty nice! I used to own this Blazer about 13 yrs. ago. It had 1 ton axles with 410's and a 1971 454 in it with a solid 425 horse power. It sounded pretty sweet with the headers and Flow Master 44's. With the tires it had on it in the pic it would smoke the tires easily and it got up and boogied. When I put the 44's on it you needed all the torque out of that big block believe me. Me and my wife loved going off road with it, It was a hell of a lot of fun off road that is for sure... I often wish I still had it, my son Cole would love it in the mud. Nice Blazer you have there.

I've got 2 D-250's.One runs.One for parts.Huge garden tractor.They even tower over my D-200.If you like to tinker and have other working tractors to use while looking and waiting for D-250 parts,I'd buy it.At least go and see it in person.You'll be impressed.

Photos posted are ones I was sent from the seller and it looks like an onan to me as well. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing an obvious clue that it was replaced with a Briggs. Nothing wrong with that, just wanted to make sure. Thanks all.

I always thought the drag racers were the worst at finding limits of parts - seen far too many engine/transmissions/rear ends/frames explode at the starting line growing up - my Dad was a drag racer for years and campaigned some pretty hairy cars that were dual purpose street pounders and daily drivers to boot . Once I got into off roading and got around the rock crawling crowd that all changed - those guys are flat out nuts (uh , guilty here, too) and can explode even military grade equipment with ease . It was bad enough when they kept getting more technical and running crazy gear ratio setups to go very slow with endless torque multiplication . I've seen Dana transfer cases twisted , exploded and ripped clean out from the frame rails like it was nothing ... Now, it's a whole new level of insanity - go watch a "Rock Racing" video...offroad trucks being bashed over huge boulders at nearly highway speed...looks like a suicide mission , at least for the vehicle . Personally , adding a weight rack is fine . You really need to focus spreading the load against the rear housing as much as possible . Cast iron really doesn't flex , just shatters . The further that weight is moved back from the axle center line - the worse the problem becomes . Sarge

And I realized Steve was wearing a RED shirt that day!! That pic might make a good "caption this" !! Sure do look forward to when we can work that field again & hopefully Dan can make it! !

Good news! Glad you got it running without too much trouble. That same web site that I sent you with the voltage regulators also has some nice throttle & choke cables for a reasonable price. www.psep.biz.

You keep fixin em and I'll keep bustin em!

Hi, Ed. I didn't know you were a member of Red Square. Guys, Ed is one of the most knowledgeable guys on these old GTs, especially the gear drive JDs. It's good to see you here, @ed lincoln

The weights in the bottom picture are Gilson/ monkey ward and they are pretty heavy

Just some help with my many projects (shop finished , 520H , A-81) ... a 867 would work too ! Well Jeff.......you hit it !!!!!!! 867 finished before the big show But that is not my wish.......Mrs 857 fell last winter on ice,,,,We are approaching the time where a new Knee is becoming the the logical option,,,this said,,,,,We hope for the best,,,,,, and yeah know,,,,,some one mentioned foam filling rear tires,,,,,im really thinking about the more I'm liking the sound of that....

The Charger runs! To troubleshoot the fuel delivery issue, I pulled the fuel line where it attached to the fuel pump. Gasoline flowed out, so it was not a clogged fuel line. I next pulled the fuel line where it attached to the carb, and fuel flowed out, so the fuel pump was probably good. So, then I pulled off the carb and removed the bowl. Oh my! If was coated with a thick layer of ethanol varnish and sticky brown goo. The same varnish and goo was present in all the passages and jets in the carb body. So I scrubbed the bowl out with Seafoam and a rag, and spent a few minutes pumping Seafoam through the jets and passages to get the goo out. I then put the bowl back on and reinstalled the carb. It started right up, and I was able to drive it around! It runs strong, but is a little smoky. I will Seafoam clean the head and change the oil, and see if that helps. It will need a new voltage regulator, and new throttle and choke cables, but it runs!

The chain should be going straight up, not at an angle.

I am a retired Florida Power and Light power plat operator and every time a hurricane watch was set we had to have two crews on site 24 hours a day to meet NRC rules. One memorable storm had come directly over the plant, while we were in the eye the decision was made that two of us needed to do a quick inspection of one of the high lines that was indicating a problem, we were on our way back when the eye-wall arrived, we had a safety line but had to crawl the last hundred feet; doubt that you could pass a football in that wind and rain.

I think you are lifting by the wrong arm on the rock shaft. Garry

Never noticing what this post was I didn't ever read it to see what it was. I'm glade I did, reading all the way through I really enjoyed your story and the restoration. Thanks for posting!

953 said it best! PS one of the thing I really love about this "forum" is seeing people really help and care for each other. I suspect there's not many forums that have prayer request for friends and family in need. So here my Christmas prayer that each of you and your family have a Merry CHRISTmas and a healthy new year!

Part 2 of the parts list shows the reflector on the rear fender pan. No hardware listed. When you go to Toro they describe 106557 reflector as a stick-on. https://www.partstree.com/parts/toro/parts/106557/ Link to the 1979 original parts list here Garry

Just found some chains that would go really well on your 6.00x12 AGs. Add some wheel weights and with your 10 pinion LTD Slip you will have a real snow fighter. The longitudinal links will keep the cross links from getting drown between the Ag lugs like and be just like theduo-link chains on my Case DC3

My 416-8 had a destroyed mount plate when I purchased it. I don't know what the PO did to it but it was on a small farm. I straightened it, welded the cracks and plated the mount area with 3/16" steel. That moved the axle back a tiny bit but not enough to cause any problems.

IDK what "very far" means, but 30' to the side is really good and it also has to do with the snow type and how you keep the blower loaded with ground speed and always run WOT, also the top deflector setting makes a difference with throwing distance, and solid stone guard really helped on my single stage the rubber paddles are really for the 2stage impeller fan to drum, but I think @Ed Kennell did an auger paddle extension on his single stage, but my single did almost as good as (my 2stage 2cd pic) in throwing distance,Jeff.

Almost seemed a crime to make it work.... well maybe not! But that guy behind me is tailgating and has no cup holder! Oh sorry Steve ...that's Uncle Rodger on the Cub...looked like you from a distance!

Thanks again guys for the positive comments. I'm so glad that some of you out there enjoy reading this. It is the only tractor that I can write a story like this about because it is the only one that has been in my family for this long and has affected me personally in so many ways. My relatives have full size CASE tractors that have been in the family since they were new but those are different animals for a different forum. When I decided to sit down and write this a little over two years ago, I had no idea that it would take me this long to accomplish but it has happened this way for two reasons: one--I'm a very busy person and I usually can't devote the time to something like this that I want to and two--I am only going to record this story one time and so I want to do it right and that means unearthing the old slides and photos that you guys seem to enjoy. There are still some more stories to tell and believe it or not, some more pictures to include so please check in periodically to check out the new content. The STORY: Let's fast forward a couple of years to about 1983. This is an important time because my only sibling, Nathan, was born that year. He was my best buddy all through my years growing up and he is still a good friend today. With the nature of the life that we lived as missionary kids travelling all across the U.S. and occasionally overseas, we learned to entertain ourselves with the games that we came up with. Nathan spent as much time on the Iron Horse as I did over the years just a half decade after me. When I got into the work force then he took over lawn mowing duties and it was the 875 that he used as I did up to that point. This is Dad, me, and Nate about 4 months after his birth. Something happened this summer that I'll never forget. It could've had horrific results but my Guardian Angel was looking out for me double time. My parents had given me the bike that my mother had learned to ride on when she was a little girl. It was a vintage Schwinn that probably would be worth some coin today. (Note: Dad's fabrication skills in the background. Just over the front wheel of my bike is a log splitter that dad built to mount on the front of his '66 IH scout. He could take the plow off and put this in its place. It ran off the truck hydraulics that were in place to operate the plow!) I started in the winter and early spring riding with the training wheels that you see pictured here. By summer time I was confident enough to ride without the training wheels and then I became invincible when I was on my bike! I could ride anywhere and do anything. I would pretend that I was a super hero and would race around on my superbike. One of the things that my parents had always told me was to stay away from the lawn mower when either of them were cutting. As a six year old boy, I wasn't always obedient. One day my mom was cutting the lawn and I was out riding her old 1950's vintage Schwinn which was now mine. I decided that I could ride right behind her and she would never know that I was being disobedient. It worked for a few passes around the yard until on one quick back up and turn, I was right in her blindspot. With the RD deck and open back, it gobbled up that Schwinn like some old dry branches! I still believe to this day that "my angel" pushed me off the back of the bike on to the ground and protected my feet and legs from severe injury. My bike was mangled but amazingly the deck wasn't damaged! The most traumatic part of the whole experience was mom's reaction to what had happened. First the shock and surprise of running over something that wasn't supposed to be there, then the realization that it was her son/bike, then the momentary horror of thinking that she had severely injured me, then the relief that I was ok, then the dismay of my disobedience that could've caused permanent damage to me. I didn't fully appreciate that until I was grown and had children of my own. I promise you that I think of that instance every time that I cut the lawn and see my kids playing in the yard. This summer my third born Judge was riding his bike and I caught him trying to follow me. You can bet that I stopped the tractor and went and Had a discussion with him about the lesson that I had learned all those years ago! The RESTO: For any of you that have ever restored one of these cool little tractors, this is the most fun part--assembly! With every piece that goes on, you are one step closer to having a running, clean, refreshed tractor that will be ready to show or to GO! I'm mounting up the 23x8.50-12 Carlisle TruPowers on the rear end. Installing the S/R lever and preparing the frame to receive the rear end I thought that dad did a great job of painting some parts with the bright silver and black to accent the amazing red paint! It was cool mounting up the rear end while listening to dad tell me the story about the broken frame that I shared in an above post. He told me how he had gusseted the frame to strengthen it for further use and he was happy that it had held all these years! Next it was the front axle and wheels with the Firestone Tri Ribs. I suppose I should do some scouting around and see if anyone has a set of good condition caps to cover the front wheel bolts. Ours broke and disappeared over the years. I love the look of this little tractor as it comes together. IMHO nothing looks as sweet as RED, BLACK, and WHITE together except for the RED, WHITE, and BLUE on Ol' Glory! Sheet metal is next...