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"Grandpa, how do I make it go faster?" - she'll grow up knowing how to drive!

Its been a while but finally getting back on this project hopefully finish it this spring. The hood and steering wheel are all that I believe are left to paint and I think I am going to put bushings in the steering like I did on the 56 so I may have to repaint them again. Anyways only pictures I have to show right now.... The hood was a really rough one to start with it will never be perfect around where the wheel horse is because it was smashed in, but I'm going to try to make it the best I can. Started off by beadblasting it and then welded up some cracks in it with a new silicon bronze might welder my dad bought. Next had one of the guys at the body shop spend some time hammer and dolleying on it, he is a lot better at it than me or my dad are. And started filling it today, still needs some more done to it before I'm done with it but off to a good start All I have to show for now..Thanks, Jake

Now I remove the old piston rings, if they break no big deal you don't need them any way. I make six measurement to figure out cylinder taper and out of round. I write them on a sheet of paper which I will post t a pic of. I measure what I call the thrust measurement ( the thrust direction of the piston) and the pin measurement ( runs parallel to the piston pin when bolted to the crank) I use the piston as a support for the telescoping gage to help in the accuracy of the measurement this can take some time and patients to get the hang of, you can leave a single ring on the piston for tension to hold it in place while doing this. I measure top, middle and bottom of the bore on both the thrust and pin sides of the bore. Use the t-gage to measure the bore and the caliper to measure the t-gage. I take one measurement at a time and write it down the move to the next measurement, sheet then looks like this With it written down I can figure taper and out of round. There should be little to no wear on the pin side so count on those three numbers being the same or darn close. The thrust side is where the cylinder wear is. Taper just subtract the lowest thrust number from the highset thrust number and in my case it's .006" for out of round you take the greatest difference between thrust and pin but they must be from the same level measurements, i.e the top thrust and the top pin not the top thrust and the middle pin. My max taper is .006" and the out of round is .006" Now comparing my measurements to the kohler manual You can see that I exceed th max out of round by .003" which is where most people think they can re ring and hone and keep going... not a good idea, you would be putting a circle in an oval good luck trying to keep it from burning oil. If you are following the picture real close you will see my measurements are smaller than the standard bore for a k161 this is because I have a k161 with a small bore, the small bore k161 is no longer available and i will need to go to a standard 8 hp piston, being tue same as a large bore k161. But if I were building say a k181 with the numbers I have and the condition of the cylinder walls I could bore it out to .010" and not have any issues but I like to air on the side of caution and would go to a +.020" piston because at .010 I would have .004" to clean up the cylinder walls (any scratches I don't see right now) it would only remove. 002" from each side of the wall. I also measured the crankshaft with the caliper in 2 spots Nevermind the numbers the pics are just for show. My actual numbers showed a .001" out of round nothing I'm concerned with and the connecting rod showd no signs of wear or scoring so it looks like a standard 8hp piston and a standard connecting rod kit with valves needs to be ordered, will try to get ordered in the next week or two to complete this thread. I will be using an aftermarket stens/rotary kit from ebay, I have used many of these kits never had an issue with quality and most builds have been in workers. Don't forget to remove your other crankshaft bearing and seal still in the block a brass drift and a hammer will work don't want to send these to the machine shop.

Got it in the shed with the 310-8 and my kids tractors. I was happy the plow fit in the door!

Glad all the tests were good Ekennell. I like the way you describe the blood color as Regal Red. Just goes to show you that this addiction can get in your blood.

I can only imagine Doug, She joined forces with the nurse scolding me as it was. Didn't I tell you not to move ! He never did take instruction very well.

Glad all is well Ed. I can't say enough good about the nursing staff when I had my back surgery. Some are better than others, but without them, doctors would look bad.

Thanks Terry, How about this one for me!

hello everyone , recently bought a old wheel horse (i think) the ID plate was taken off when someone painted it. was hoping someone could help identify it.

Very nice tractors. I have a new deadline to meet. I am shooting for the.middle of May to get a shot at a banner with this horse in new shiny clothes. Thanks for the tips 953 but and Dennis. I had a chance to use them and made some good progress. The two colors of primer and sanding tips sure show the high and low spots quick. I had to do some more metal shaping. Now to sand and apply filler then repeat until satisfied.

don't trust dial and or digital calipers for less than .002 your ahead of others in what you are doing but you need to buy some good micrometers for accurate measurements good pics and write up keep it coming Brian

Thanks for the "don't do something stupid reminder". I usually do stupid "I knew not to to do that" stuff like that at least once a year. If its been more than a year I will do it on purpose just to get it out of the way! Just put a cluster gears in upside down in a 3 piece 3 speed just to give my self some practice in taking them back apart.... Is pretty bizarre that the snap ring decided to just hop axles!

Well I have been wanting another wheel horse to replace my RJ59 I sold a few months ago and finally was able to get this 1966 856. Runs good and everything works great. When I restore it I'm gonna need new back fenders tho.

Just a thought. When removing the bearing plate I would measure the old gasket thickness. It will give you a "starting point" when reassembling the crank and checking the end play. Great post and Pics!

A piece of advise Hide the BFH and the wood splitting maul from yourself

Calendar shot for sure!

Maybe....1st Welcome to Red Square. It would be nice to know what seal you replaced and with what seal...to verify it is the right one. Other then that, it usually comes down to 2 things. A burr on the end of the shaft or the key way ripped the rubber enough to leak. File all burrs and put some tape over the shaft and key way when you place the seal on the shaft...or The shaft itself is worn enough so you do not get a good seal, or the bearing is worn enough so you get up and down or side to side movement of the shaft.

Oops....ours was just changer to 4-8". May have to switch to the 520 tall chute. It'll drink more fuel, but the heated cab is worth it.

Yep , yesterday my cousin and kids where over . He fired the old $50 Charger10 up and the kids where off .

You have to start 'em early! Stallion and Annie Oakley look great together! Oops, sorry. Is that Little Orphan Annie?

Only 1-3" forecast for SC Pa. Sounds like plow time for the 312H.

yes they will fit fine they are a little narrow for the wheels but look good once mounted Here's a set mounted on my daughter's 857

I'm back after spending a short vacation in the hospital this week. The Bad During my routine 4 month checkup last week, I complained to my Dr that I experienced some shortness of breath while dragging a tree top that had blown out of one of my spruce trees. Due to my past history of heart disease, this triggered an EKG...then a stress test...then a heart cath. The Good The cath was inserted in my right wrist therefore only requiring a 2-3 hour period of time without moving as compared to the 6-8 hours required if the cath is through the groin. The new cath showed no additional blockage since the 30% branch blockage was discovered by the cath in 2004. The cardiologist said "See Ya in ten years". The Funny The young lady( she appeared to be a teenager to me) that prepped me for the procedure seemed very matter of fact, as she went about her duties of installing the electrodes, the IV, and shaving my wrist and groin (in case the Dr can't get the cath in my wrist). All the time asking me the same questions I was asked by every person I met that morning. What is your name? ekennell. What is your date of birth? Jan 8, 1944. Do you have any pain? No. Do you have any stents? No. Have you had bypass surgery? No. Did you have a stress test this week? Yes. Did you not study? You failed the stress test or you wouldn't be here. The Ugly About 1 hour into the recovery time I felt the need to readjust my position. And ignoring the nurses instructions to not move, I grabbed the hand rails and pushed myself up in the bed. Almost instantly Mrs K started screaming and running for the nurse as the alarms on the monitor lit up and started beeping. I had separated the incision in my wrist artery and by the time the nurses got there, my right side and the bed had changed to a Regal Red color. The teenaged looking nurse that made the no study joke calmly grabbed my right bicep and applied a vice like grip to stop the flow while another nurse reapplied the compression bandage to the incision. After the situation was under control, I apologized for the mess had I made and thanked the teenager. She said it was no big deal as she had not walked to the cafeteria to get her donut yet where she would have been 4 minutes away. She said I had 6-8 minutes to go before I would have died. That's when I learned this happens in the cath lab about ever two weeks and she has been doing this job for 18 years. I guess anyone under 40 looks like a teenager to an old guy. The Moral Please listen to these young teenaged medical experts....they may save your life.

Sure is nice seeing members selling nice tractors to other members and giving the kids trinkets.... sure does say alot about horse folks! thanks for the

By the way the best way to free up a rim from the hub is to loosen the lugs a little and drive it around in circles. Might be kinda hard to do if the tire is flat but if it would hold a liitle air....

Just thinking about your idea of a solenoid activated pin. Not trying to question your idea, but I'm afraid it would take a pretty elaborate electronic system to position the sector accurately enough to eliminate any binding so the solenoid could pull the pin. I don't know If it would help in your application, but I have a mechanical pin pulling system on the blade of my quad. that may be of value to you. I use the winch to raise the plow, and if I continue to raise the plow higher than normal, a cam mounted on the plow frame hits the quad frame and rotates pulling the sector pin. This then allows me to angle the blade to the new position. When the blade is lowered slightly, the cam releases the pin to drop back in the new hole. This pic shows the plow raised and the pin pulled. The springs in the lift are necessary to handle the overrun of the 3Klb winch. Don't ask how I know this.

Yeah, I thought I heard the bigger one asking "do my tail feathers look big in this outfit?"

So....the infamous BFH is not always the answer.

Probably time for some new snap rings.

That is a great picture , can't wait to get my granddaughter a horse but it will be a while not quite 14 months old.

Terry, I am very appreciative of the generosity. However I also would be open to providing donation to cover your out of pocket costs that you could either keep, gift to WHCC or to operational expenses of Redsquare. Just an idea. Something that would allow Paypal or Credit Card would make it easy peasy.

Terry, Here is a picture for me. I am also a member of the WHCC. Thank you for doing this for this for everyone. Thanks, Darren

Just calling for a few inches here, so when I post we got a foot we can thank the accurate weather predictions. Glenn

Glad to hear you're doing ok now. Sometimes those nurses take better care of you than the doctors. I had a heart cath in the groin, and the doctor didn't wait long enough for the local anesthetic to take effect before he thrust the cath needle in. I rose about a foot off of the stretcher, and almost took a swing at the doc. The nurse told me later the that doctor had a reputation for being kind of rough. My daughter is an RN, an she takes more personal interest in their patients than most of the doctors do. THANK A NURSE .

Tommy, it was very nice meeting you and your family as well. Guys, if you get a chance to talk with Tommy, you'll see he's just like the rest of the horse heads I've met - truly nice and knowledgable. He even gave my son a wheel horse collector's club hat, key chain, and lawn and garden magazine. We had a great trip and look forward to playing with our new machine. Yup, Emory has already laid claim to it, but I'm still the primary stakeholder in this one. He kept saying that he had a great day!! Below are a few pics of the machine, Tommy, my dad, and son and one pic of Dad, Emory, and some goofy looking guy with a goatee . I've also put in a pic of a set of original wheel horse tires and rims for the back - plenty of cracks and checks, but still very nice. Both of the other rear sets are Carlisle and in pretty nice shape. Oh yeah, I took the hoods off to keep wind from grabbing them on interstate. Gotta go clean out a spot in the basement for the new girl.

Same here, couple flakes. Waiting,,,,ZZZZZZZZZZ zzzzzzzzzzzzzz Glenn

I live in Michigan between Ann Arbor and Lansing . Yesterday around 4:30ish ( didn't look at clock ) heard a huge explosion , then the ground shook , and the whole house rattled . My kids got on the social media , people heard it in Ann Arbor , Jackson , a half hour south of me . Some say they heard three in Ann Arbor . There was a house fire a couple miles away , but to hear it in Ann Arbor ? Tried finding something on it on the net , nothing . I'm thinking sonic boom . I know you can't hear the jet coming , but would you hear the jet and the boom or just the boom . Only seen jets doing fly byes never super sonic . Anyone else here in Michigan hear it . Just curious

Get one now and you can ride it around to "Get the bugs out"!

Let me know if it came through this time.

Yes I was afraid a standard or heavy duty actuator would fail when pushing heavy wet snow on the unsupported side. My belief (and call me out if I'm wrong) is electric linear actuators are stronger or more reliable pushing and in compression rather than pulling in tension? PaulC, if you had a 2nd actuator on the other side wired in opposite polarity, to push out when the first retracts in, I wonder if that would remedy your problem, then you have one in compression weather you tilt left or right. My plan, would have to be some progressive circuitry to pull the pin first using the solenoid, before allowing the windrow actuator to move. I'm also looking at stronger linear actuators. Not the Amazon or ebay 300# units but, 1350# ones from Northern Tool (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200622241_200622241) So with the rule or guide earlier of no to tension yes to compression. To lift the plow, I figure to mount a lifting actuator atop the front hitch extending vertically up in front of the hood with some form of strapping going from the A frame of the plow in front if the steering axle up over the top of the front hitch & actuator and back down to the other side of the A-frame. Then the plows A-frame could be lifted as high as all the way to the bottom of the front axle. This front lifter actuator would eliminate the lifter bar / down pressure hook up in the middle of the tractor, and if designed right the front atach-a-matic front hitch / lift system will keep the blade from wondering left or right.

We're treading in dangerous waters here Bob.

I hope this works. If not you can crop it, brighten it up or what ever it needs. What a great community, I'm so glad I found this group. Can't wait till the show. Thank you so much. Will look forward to meeting you.

Bizarre and most fortunate.

That's the way its suppose to be. Throw the electronics away and buy the kids a horse.

In the 3-6 here but who knows?

I was about to ask you to clarify this, but I think I figured it out. I think you are saying if you bore it out to .010, it will only take .002 (.004 total) from the sides (thrust) that were out of round to start with, because they were already .006 larger (wider?) than the pin measurements? so if scratches on the pin side were deeper than .002, they would bot be bored out? Also, are there any rod bearings? I always remember my dad tapping in bearings on car engines. Or was that just on the crank? Great post, by the way. Thank you. I might get up the courage to try it after this.

Kids love the Panzer. Donuts on my stone driveway. Then mid-mount grader on the Allis-Chalmers. Kids will be kids.

That cold Canadian air you share with us is what the forecasters blame it on. Wish you would be selfish and not share so much!

Last year I ran the gamut at Hospitals. (And I don't mean working there either! ) Before my shoulder surgery they asked me who I was and why I was there a dozen times. The last one was the anesthesia doc. Before he could utter a sound I rattled off all the info. Before my knee surgery, I critiqued the docs' artwork he made on my knee with a sharpie. He said He'ld doanother one on my other knee if I liked. Before my heart cath, They jammed an IV into my left forearm that sent me to the moon in pain. I almost clobbered the nurse!. The heart doc offered me a margarita before the procedure to relax! then I had to pee right in the middle of it. One nurse jammed a bottle under my blankie and said have at it. I must have pee'd 10 times in an hour after it was over!

being prepared with 2 cabs this year didn't keep us from getting hammered here the other week and i'm sure glad i had them cabs, it was real nice eric j