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"Grandpa, how do I make it go faster?" - she'll grow up knowing how to drive!

Its been a while but finally getting back on this project hopefully finish it this spring. The hood and steering wheel are all that I believe are left to paint and I think I am going to put bushings in the steering like I did on the 56 so I may have to repaint them again. Anyways only pictures I have to show right now.... The hood was a really rough one to start with it will never be perfect around where the wheel horse is because it was smashed in, but I'm going to try to make it the best I can. Started off by beadblasting it and then welded up some cracks in it with a new silicon bronze might welder my dad bought. Next had one of the guys at the body shop spend some time hammer and dolleying on it, he is a lot better at it than me or my dad are. And started filling it today, still needs some more done to it before I'm done with it but off to a good start All I have to show for now..Thanks, Jake

Now I remove the old piston rings, if they break no big deal you don't need them any way. I make six measurement to figure out cylinder taper and out of round. I write them on a sheet of paper which I will post t a pic of. I measure what I call the thrust measurement ( the thrust direction of the piston) and the pin measurement ( runs parallel to the piston pin when bolted to the crank) I use the piston as a support for the telescoping gage to help in the accuracy of the measurement this can take some time and patients to get the hang of, you can leave a single ring on the piston for tension to hold it in place while doing this. I measure top, middle and bottom of the bore on both the thrust and pin sides of the bore. Use the t-gage to measure the bore and the caliper to measure the t-gage. I take one measurement at a time and write it down the move to the next measurement, sheet then looks like this With it written down I can figure taper and out of round. There should be little to no wear on the pin side so count on those three numbers being the same or darn close. The thrust side is where the cylinder wear is. Taper just subtract the lowest thrust number from the highset thrust number and in my case it's .006" for out of round you take the greatest difference between thrust and pin but they must be from the same level measurements, i.e the top thrust and the top pin not the top thrust and the middle pin. My max taper is .006" and the out of round is .006" Now comparing my measurements to the kohler manual You can see that I exceed th max out of round by .003" which is where most people think they can re ring and hone and keep going... not a good idea, you would be putting a circle in an oval good luck trying to keep it from burning oil. If you are following the picture real close you will see my measurements are smaller than the standard bore for a k161 this is because I have a k161 with a small bore, the small bore k161 is no longer available and i will need to go to a standard 8 hp piston, being tue same as a large bore k161. But if I were building say a k181 with the numbers I have and the condition of the cylinder walls I could bore it out to .010" and not have any issues but I like to air on the side of caution and would go to a +.020" piston because at .010 I would have .004" to clean up the cylinder walls (any scratches I don't see right now) it would only remove. 002" from each side of the wall. I also measured the crankshaft with the caliper in 2 spots Nevermind the numbers the pics are just for show. My actual numbers showed a .001" out of round nothing I'm concerned with and the connecting rod showd no signs of wear or scoring so it looks like a standard 8hp piston and a standard connecting rod kit with valves needs to be ordered, will try to get ordered in the next week or two to complete this thread. I will be using an aftermarket stens/rotary kit from ebay, I have used many of these kits never had an issue with quality and most builds have been in workers. Don't forget to remove your other crankshaft bearing and seal still in the block a brass drift and a hammer will work don't want to send these to the machine shop.

Got it in the shed with the 310-8 and my kids tractors. I was happy the plow fit in the door!

Glad all the tests were good Ekennell. I like the way you describe the blood color as Regal Red. Just goes to show you that this addiction can get in your blood.

I can only imagine Doug, She joined forces with the nurse scolding me as it was. Didn't I tell you not to move ! He never did take instruction very well.

Glad all is well Ed. I can't say enough good about the nursing staff when I had my back surgery. Some are better than others, but without them, doctors would look bad.

Thanks Terry, How about this one for me!

hello everyone , recently bought a old wheel horse (i think) the ID plate was taken off when someone painted it. was hoping someone could help identify it.

Very nice tractors. I have a new deadline to meet. I am shooting for the.middle of May to get a shot at a banner with this horse in new shiny clothes. Thanks for the tips 953 but and Dennis. I had a chance to use them and made some good progress. The two colors of primer and sanding tips sure show the high and low spots quick. I had to do some more metal shaping. Now to sand and apply filler then repeat until satisfied.

don't trust dial and or digital calipers for less than .002 your ahead of others in what you are doing but you need to buy some good micrometers for accurate measurements good pics and write up keep it coming Brian

Thanks for the "don't do something stupid reminder". I usually do stupid "I knew not to to do that" stuff like that at least once a year. If its been more than a year I will do it on purpose just to get it out of the way! Just put a cluster gears in upside down in a 3 piece 3 speed just to give my self some practice in taking them back apart.... Is pretty bizarre that the snap ring decided to just hop axles!

Well I have been wanting another wheel horse to replace my RJ59 I sold a few months ago and finally was able to get this 1966 856. Runs good and everything works great. When I restore it I'm gonna need new back fenders tho.

Just a thought. When removing the bearing plate I would measure the old gasket thickness. It will give you a "starting point" when reassembling the crank and checking the end play. Great post and Pics!

A piece of advise Hide the BFH and the wood splitting maul from yourself

Calendar shot for sure!

Maybe....1st Welcome to Red Square. It would be nice to know what seal you replaced and with what seal...to verify it is the right one. Other then that, it usually comes down to 2 things. A burr on the end of the shaft or the key way ripped the rubber enough to leak. File all burrs and put some tape over the shaft and key way when you place the seal on the shaft...or The shaft itself is worn enough so you do not get a good seal, or the bearing is worn enough so you get up and down or side to side movement of the shaft.

Oops....ours was just changer to 4-8". May have to switch to the 520 tall chute. It'll drink more fuel, but the heated cab is worth it.

Yep , yesterday my cousin and kids where over . He fired the old $50 Charger10 up and the kids where off .

You have to start 'em early! Stallion and Annie Oakley look great together! Oops, sorry. Is that Little Orphan Annie?

Only 1-3" forecast for SC Pa. Sounds like plow time for the 312H.

yes they will fit fine they are a little narrow for the wheels but look good once mounted Here's a set mounted on my daughter's 857

I'm back after spending a short vacation in the hospital this week. The Bad During my routine 4 month checkup last week, I complained to my Dr that I experienced some shortness of breath while dragging a tree top that had blown out of one of my spruce trees. Due to my past history of heart disease, this triggered an EKG...then a stress test...then a heart cath. The Good The cath was inserted in my right wrist therefore only requiring a 2-3 hour period of time without moving as compared to the 6-8 hours required if the cath is through the groin. The new cath showed no additional blockage since the 30% branch blockage was discovered by the cath in 2004. The cardiologist said "See Ya in ten years". The Funny The young lady( she appeared to be a teenager to me) that prepped me for the procedure seemed very matter of fact, as she went about her duties of installing the electrodes, the IV, and shaving my wrist and groin (in case the Dr can't get the cath in my wrist). All the time asking me the same questions I was asked by every person I met that morning. What is your name? ekennell. What is your date of birth? Jan 8, 1944. Do you have any pain? No. Do you have any stents? No. Have you had bypass surgery? No. Did you have a stress test this week? Yes. Did you not study? You failed the stress test or you wouldn't be here. The Ugly About 1 hour into the recovery time I felt the need to readjust my position. And ignoring the nurses instructions to not move, I grabbed the hand rails and pushed myself up in the bed. Almost instantly Mrs K started screaming and running for the nurse as the alarms on the monitor lit up and started beeping. I had separated the incision in my wrist artery and by the time the nurses got there, my right side and the bed had changed to a Regal Red color. The teenaged looking nurse that made the no study joke calmly grabbed my right bicep and applied a vice like grip to stop the flow while another nurse reapplied the compression bandage to the incision. After the situation was under control, I apologized for the mess had I made and thanked the teenager. She said it was no big deal as she had not walked to the cafeteria to get her donut yet where she would have been 4 minutes away. She said I had 6-8 minutes to go before I would have died. That's when I learned this happens in the cath lab about ever two weeks and she has been doing this job for 18 years. I guess anyone under 40 looks like a teenager to an old guy. The Moral Please listen to these young teenaged medical experts....they may save your life.

Sure is nice seeing members selling nice tractors to other members and giving the kids trinkets.... sure does say alot about horse folks! thanks for the

By the way the best way to free up a rim from the hub is to loosen the lugs a little and drive it around in circles. Might be kinda hard to do if the tire is flat but if it would hold a liitle air....

Just thinking about your idea of a solenoid activated pin. Not trying to question your idea, but I'm afraid it would take a pretty elaborate electronic system to position the sector accurately enough to eliminate any binding so the solenoid could pull the pin. I don't know If it would help in your application, but I have a mechanical pin pulling system on the blade of my quad. that may be of value to you. I use the winch to raise the plow, and if I continue to raise the plow higher than normal, a cam mounted on the plow frame hits the quad frame and rotates pulling the sector pin. This then allows me to angle the blade to the new position. When the blade is lowered slightly, the cam releases the pin to drop back in the new hole. This pic shows the plow raised and the pin pulled. The springs in the lift are necessary to handle the overrun of the 3Klb winch. Don't ask how I know this.

Yeah, I thought I heard the bigger one asking "do my tail feathers look big in this outfit?"

So....the infamous BFH is not always the answer.

Probably time for some new snap rings.

That is a great picture , can't wait to get my granddaughter a horse but it will be a while not quite 14 months old.

Terry, I am very appreciative of the generosity. However I also would be open to providing donation to cover your out of pocket costs that you could either keep, gift to WHCC or to operational expenses of Redsquare. Just an idea. Something that would allow Paypal or Credit Card would make it easy peasy.

Terry, Here is a picture for me. I am also a member of the WHCC. Thank you for doing this for this for everyone. Thanks, Darren

Just calling for a few inches here, so when I post we got a foot we can thank the accurate weather predictions. Glenn

Glad to hear you're doing ok now. Sometimes those nurses take better care of you than the doctors. I had a heart cath in the groin, and the doctor didn't wait long enough for the local anesthetic to take effect before he thrust the cath needle in. I rose about a foot off of the stretcher, and almost took a swing at the doc. The nurse told me later the that doctor had a reputation for being kind of rough. My daughter is an RN, an she takes more personal interest in their patients than most of the doctors do. THANK A NURSE .

Tommy, it was very nice meeting you and your family as well. Guys, if you get a chance to talk with Tommy, you'll see he's just like the rest of the horse heads I've met - truly nice and knowledgable. He even gave my son a wheel horse collector's club hat, key chain, and lawn and garden magazine. We had a great trip and look forward to playing with our new machine. Yup, Emory has already laid claim to it, but I'm still the primary stakeholder in this one. He kept saying that he had a great day!! Below are a few pics of the machine, Tommy, my dad, and son and one pic of Dad, Emory, and some goofy looking guy with a goatee . I've also put in a pic of a set of original wheel horse tires and rims for the back - plenty of cracks and checks, but still very nice. Both of the other rear sets are Carlisle and in pretty nice shape. Oh yeah, I took the hoods off to keep wind from grabbing them on interstate. Gotta go clean out a spot in the basement for the new girl.

Hey guys Chris from CT. Figured I'd see how everyone has been in the New England area. I used to be "traktorkidd7/30/93" then changed to this username and kinda fell off the site for a few years. Hope all is well with everyone

so I see you guys around and south of boston are gonna get hit pretty good,be safe and get your horses ready boys,up here in Ontario Canada we havnt even had a storm at all,no snow on ground now and its been really warm,pretty strange to not have one large snowfall at all and its mid February,i live in a traditional snowbelt and havnt used the horses at all,one little storm we got 3 inches of slush,had to use the skidsteer to move it,too much for the horses if you don't have to,well good luck easterners and hope you all have a good time with your snow removeal,its probally gonna stay for a while as they are talking real cold later this week

I drew it out on paper then center punched through the paper into the guard. Then drilled 5/16 holes and punched using a greenlee punch normally used by electricians for electric panels. Don't know if it helps but it can't hurt unless you stick your fingers through the holes. Cleat

We are just now about done with our blizzard in Iowa. 40 to 50 mph winds and blowing snow equals zero visibility. Just lucky we had light snow and not the heavy stuff. Hope the wind leaves you guys alone on your snow event.

I would go buy a lottery ticket, if I were you. Bet you can't do that again...a year from now. Sorry. BTW, we have been having a discussion about which way those pinions (with the bevel on one end should be facing). Yours appear to be facing each other. Has anyone ever been in this tranny before, that you know of?? Thanks Nice pictures. Man, you had to really hit that with Sluggo to get the other axle gear to act like a rocket blasting off with that "C" clip in front of it.

That can of Rustolem you see there is Regal Red if I know Steve ... That's what most of us use. There are a bazillion posts here on the "proper" red but the general agreement here is as long as it's red. I think another member said it best .... proper color red is like throwing hand grenades ...just get it close!

I thought I would be a smart a$$. I got all my hair cut off about two days before I went in the Army. They set me down and ran those clippers all over my head just like they did everyone else. I had scratches all over my head when they were done.

Yes you have the idea right the scratches might not be removed. There are no rod bearings, although you can machine them into the rods, just about all the kohlers are standard or .010" undersize.

I live in johnstown PA , i hope we get some good snow , just put a brand new set of AG tires on the WH, with my weights and chains praying for a big snow fall.. I need a dog gone good snow dance lol..

Did i miss somthing???? Snow?? No way??? Serious??? gonna hafftah call my snow guy...... but today was a fiirst...............8 hours in the garage,,,,cleaning,,,,,and chucking...shelving putttin away,,,,brooming....,,,clearing..... Next rebuild is coming in.....course its an 857,,,,seat is done..wheels ,,hood fender pan..decals from Terry.....all ready,,,,but we know that isnt even half of it...and yes.....we will get a before during and after shots....!!!!!!! Now......about that snow .......................

Terry helps make our old horses look like new.

You guys realize all of the quizzing and body art work prior to procedure/surgery is the MDs/hospitals attempts to make sure they do the correct procedure on the right patient. Made me feel better when I had a retinal procedure a couple of years ago when every person who talked to me all the way to the surgeon himself 'quizzed' me.

So glad Mrs. K was there and the nurses were so quick. While I was in rehab following last summer's surgery a very young Physical Therapy nurse was helping with my exercises and I made a comment about how competent she was at her age; she showed me pictures of her grandchild!

Funny now, but sure glad everything worked out all right...And I`ve noticed too that those 40 year olds are starting to look better...uh..I mean younger..

A teaser pic of my son sitting on our new tractor. I'll post more later. Eating at Popeye's before heading back home. Great morning! And that's my dad standing beside him.