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I had my wheel horses out on a sunny day. From right to left: 96-520H, 95-520H, 93-416H, 83 C175 and 82/83 C195. Edwroy

Here are a few more pics. I checked it out a little closer. Don't know how I missed the meter with 601 hours. No sign of the deck ever being on the tractor. The mule drive, lift bar and belt still in a sealed bag. Doesn't appear the PTO ever saw a belt and the plow was only used on pavement... no stone scratches. Weight bracket, but no weights. Good wheel weights and rubber chains. Pretty clean ...no grass under the hood. Wait a minute......That looks like my trailer. Now what do I do with this CLASSIC GEM ???

It's always a bad subject to many of us, but things can get away from us so quickly. We all have good intentions, we make a promise to ourselves that on that next project we will allow enough time to clean up while the project is finished or in progress. Then comes the HORDER FACTOR. I hate to throw something away cause I may need it some day. The problem is by the time I need it I can't find it! Good Intentions are just that Good Intentions! After retiring about a year ago I had good intentions of thinning down the herd in order to get things under control and in a more manageable state as the ponies crept out of the stable and in my shop, leaving me NO ROOM to work. After thinning down the herd from 24 down to 9 I was able to clear out my 24 X 50 Garage 1200 sq ft total which is 500 sq ft shop and 700 sq ft for vehicles, and I am happy to say I am down to only having 1 Tractor in it. My 91 520-H Snow Chucker w Tall chute. In my shop is my 55 Senior. The other 7 tractors are in the 12 X 25 300 sq ft stable. So now I have some room to move around the shop and have both my vehicles in the garage which make MJ Happy! And we all know happy wife = happy life! Cleaning the shop and having room is always a MAJOR PAIN if you can't move things around to keep clean. I helped solve this problem by hoisting up the SENIOR on the hydraulic lift table I had (yep decided to keep it) and it worked perfectly so I can move that Ole girl around. A thought came to mind hey why don't I put lockable wheel casters on all my other machines. So on a few machines I built base carts and set the machines on them. 2 sanders, Scroll Saw, Hydraulic Press, File Cabinet (for owners manuals) and welding table. All of these casters are polyurethane and rated at 125 lbs each totaling 500 lbs and nothing is near that heavy. Now I can move this equipment around to sweep clean and whatever I need to do.

I collect single cylinder hydros from 1970-1979, from my signature you can see I usually have two of each type and brand, that is to set one up as a lawn tractor version and the other as a AG tractor version, The lawn tractor GTs get new turf tires or crossovers, but the true AG tractors get a lift with 10" front tires to compensate with a taller rear tire I use. Not every tire I buy is meant to be as tall as it is, but when you use a narrower rim the tire gets taller and rounder on top, which works well in dirt, mud, and winter conditions as well. I'll post some pictures

While I have also had bad dealings, I've been extremely pleased with all the wonderful folks on Red Square!. I've bought more than I've sold, and all transactions have been as described merchandise, or prompt payment on sales. I've also been blessed by a few items members have sent me for the cost of freight. So here's a Thank You to all the Red Square members! As the saying goes....These red tractors collect the nices people!

Its probably designed that way to help induce the gangster lean you should have while driving that tricked out pimpmobile around

It probably took him an entire Sunday afternoon to drill the hole with that dull rusty drill bit he borrowed from his next door neighbor......

Thanks JC, These are some of the last great tractors built during the golden age of manufacturing in America. After 1980 companies and corporations became beholden to their stockholders and not to the customer or employee. This greed, which gave rise to the massive CEO bonus program, is what is bringing this nation down. I want to pay homage to those workers and that era by saving some of their great work. <rant>The wealthy and the media all said it was employee benefits that caused the downfall of production in America (made int the USA), that is one of the biggest lies ever told. Many nations including Germany have extensive employee benefit programs and do very, very well. The obligation of ANY company should be to its employees, its community and THEN the stockholders, the CEO is an employee like any other, but today it is the investors and CEO's that kill jobs and companies </rant>

I bet he wondered why his brand new heavy duty hitch didn't have a hole for the ball.

Well I managed to make the frame fit, got it blasted except for the outside ends. Frame plate was cracked I got time tonight to weld it up then add a reinforcing plate to the inside. NO I am not a professional welder, maybe just good enough to be dangerous. Primed frame and painted transmission mating plate.

I sure hope this isn't one our members truck.

Well, Fireman and Slammer, you guys are correct, some of the parts have been repainted. The red overspray on the console guage area is actually a reflection from the sun shining thru the red canvas. Hey Jay, not sure what you want to know about the rear bracket. It holds the suitcase weights, a shovel, and the SMV sign. It also acts as a bumper so I don't damage the WH when I back into Mrs. Ks BMW. Spinjim and Jimt I'm not quite ready to put a price on it yet, but I think the rain did help "dampen" the bidding. Stay tuned in and thanks for the interest. I won't bring it to Wisconsin for you Jim, but if I still have it, you could pick it up at the Big Show next spring.

This really sounds like you have just had a Dr. Phil moment...using the site as a sounding board. Needless to say, some pictures are in order.. I really like your idea. For me, this is my favorite Holiday and my favorite time of year. My wife decorates the inside and outside of the house to the hilt. Unfortunately, we do not get a lot of Trick-or-Treaters. I have been know to sit out on the porch, like a stuffed scare crow, and come alive when the little tikes approach. Usually, I am a big softy and hand out a good handful of the good candies...and I mean the good candies. HAPPY HALLOWEEN.

Hey fellas, can I borrow a hundred bucks???? I'll pay you back in a couple weeks.

I've just heard this morning that the Le Sueur show that some of our members have attended for several years is going to host the MN Cockshutt collectors which I'm guessing is a small group because they also want to do a shared main feature of Wheel Horse and other brands of GT feature next year. Show dates are Aug 26-28, 2016. We are getting first crack at promotion since we've had a Wheel Horse presence at this show for a while now. Our group, the North Central Wheel Horse Events Club (NCWHEC) has been going to this show since 2008. We were initially added to the show in 2008 as a feature and almost not invited back due to some miscommunication and misunderstandings about expectations and show operation. This show does not allow a general swap meet at the summer show. They hold a separate annual swap meet in the spring with about 1500 vendors that take up the entire showgrounds and even a lot of area used for parking during the summer show. However, when you're the feature, vendors who have non-swap items are allowed to have booths... such as decals, new reproduction parts, other novelties and memorabilia type stuff. Just no used part swap meet type stuff. Being the shared feature, there will also be use of half of a 60x130 feature building for anyone who might want to set up there with displays that they want to keep out of any potential weather. Anyway, I'm posting this out here nice and early to see if anyone has an interest in coming out the Minnesota way in 2016. Lots of time to work out details and questions. Just wanted to throw this up nice and early to avoid some conflicts with other shows that are usually around that time. I know we got Lane a pretty good turnout a couple years ago when he asked for representation at an IL show... I'm hoping that with enough advance notice and planning we can really get a great turnout.

Then I guess it's okay if you lose the trailer.

What's wrong with my hitch? I only use it to move my green tractors around! Green tractors! Was a joke guys!

I'm an old retired guy. long hair, white beard, look kind of like a garden nomb......All I would need are the pointy shoes and pointy hat....... .That would be to easy and predictable.....I could dress up as a hippy...... Still have all the cloths from the '60s and a real nice mid 60s Gibson accoustic guitar. Nah, wife would just get mad at me when all the old hippy women were throwing themselves at me....(cough) I thought about a horse named Rusty costume, carrying around a huge empty can of beefaroni, like the Seinfeld episode, and a can of fart spray concealed in the other hand....... Probably offend some people. (You can't even say hi to some people these days without offending them... ) That settles it. The beefaroni eating farting horse it shall be!!! Might as well take advantage of the last part of the full moon and p*ss off as many people as I can....... Woops............ Forgot to ask what you guys are gonna do...... Yet another senior moment........

That might be possible Ed...I won't pester you about what you $$ unless it was wayyyy too much...I might bring a BIG hauler to the show! I personally would give the left one for that cab!

Just turn the truck over, then it will work...

Maybe he's dislexic? Instead of turning his words backwards, he turns his hitches? id loan him a , but I'm affraid he wouldnt know what to do with iit.

Several of these machines came from your area Doug. The Ariens with the blower from Panora and the Bolens H16 from Minburn both just west of Des Moines. I also bought a Massey MF14 parts tractor in Indianola So thats what happened to all the good stuff. You bought it and took it to Oklahoma.........

The really smooth guys ( not that your not smooth Red Ranger... ) borrow fifty bucks, pay it back a couple days later then go in for the kill asking to borrow several hundred or even thousands of dollars with the intention of never paying any of it back....... I think I may have had an inlaw kind of like that...............

Looks great and i agree with some of the others i think some things have been repainted probably not a full on restore more than likely just some touch up painting the mule drive and lift bar have been painted the hardware would of been plated a goldish color not painted silver same on the lift bar chain i think not trying to bring you down its still very nice and a hard to find package and someone at least cared enough to be worried about the little details

You may not be wrong Bob. Jake did not say what year those horses were. I got involved in the transmissions, because I was interested in what is really possible as far as switching things around and what may be possible. Knowing such things would make it possible to save many more transmissions. I hope, if Jake gets into this and opens both of them up, he will continue in this thread and let us know what he finds. This has the makings of becoming an important thread., and a valuable learning experience...of course...pictures are required. BTW Jake...what year are these horses??

I've never seen an original Wheel Horse or Toro deck with black paint on the bottom. Starter motors are generally bare metal or gold/silver irridite not black. Hour meter looks like it has over spray on it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Looks like it may have been a real nice restoration. Not knocking it but a few things don't look original. It's a nice machine for sure. As as far the comment about its hard getting a rough one to look this good, come take a look at my C-160. It was a complete rust bucket when I got it. It's not that hard to do a complete rotisserie restoration if you have the tools, time, talent and the money to do it. I've seen some Wheel Horse restorations at the big show that are to die for even better then mine.

Thats the look they give you right after they fart..........Just before you smell it..................

Then two more days of file work to enlarge the 3/8" hole to take the ball bolt.

A fool and his trailer soon part.... And Hell no, it ain't mine!

there had to be some electrical connection between the two seat wires - no ifs or buts about it. maybe an old jumper of bare wire that time and weather disintegrated - and it did not necessarily need to be a jumper located AT THE SEAT SWITCH CONNECTOR.

I used 25x10-12 ITP589's on my Bolens H16 and a Massey 1650, 25x8-12 ITP 589s on my Ariens GT14H, then I used Duros 25x9-12ss and the same tire in 15 inch on the rear of my D160 the Duro Frontier, or Maxxis Ceros as the 15 inch tire is called is good for both turf and dirt. These are all ATV tires and run under 120 each delivered. I found that for every inch a tire was wider than a rim you got less than a half inch width mounted, a caveat to that is some tire are flatter like the tru powers so they don't tend to crown much because Carlisle took in consideration that these would be used on 7.5 to 8.5 rims. Many manufacturers don't, and a 10.50 tire on a 7.5 rim will only be around 9.75 wide, so your paying for rubber your not getting, but the flip side is that the tire will be taller, in fact it may be too tall to fit under a fender.. I've put out nearly 4,000 dollars in garden tractor tires and turf tires in the last 3-4 years, no pulling tires. I use my tractors in the mud, dirt, turf, snow, ice, etc and while flat wide tires look really cool and may work for pulling a sled, they are not always ideal for pulling a plow, disc, tiller, cultivator. If they were farm tractors would have wide tires on the back and front like most garden tractors, but unless the farm tractor is used as an estate mower generally they have taller narrower tires both front and rear. The older Wheel Horse tractors emulated the farm tractor by using narrow tall 6-12 tires. Having a small engine and light weight they had to be able to work, wide or flotation tires probably wouldn't have worked well on early WH tractors. The ones that I try to stay away from are the ones that don't have a deep lug and the lugs are far apart, they wear out quick and are basically slicks. That said, wide tires do look good and I use wide tires at times, but sometimes I opt for 8 or 9 inch widths as well.

This is my "innocent" look. Let me rephrase that. This is my "not guilty" look because I haven't been innocent in a long time.

@Stevasaurus - There are a lot of assumptions in my response. But since Big Jake did not mention what year the donor GT-14 was, and he did not mention what year C-120 the recipient was, I selected a C-120 which uses the 8053 gear. Then I looked at C-120 axles from 1974 through 1976 and found that they all used the replacement axle service kit 99-5359, which lead me to assume that the spline is the same. That is unless the kit included side gears with different splines. Sort of a convoluted way to get from A to Z. I have been known to be wrong before.

But is it from your truck?

That can't be the same shop as before......you are really good at that photoshop thing! :)

I think this is an interesting question. After looking at some manuals, here is what I found. 1. the axle gears are not the same...GT-14 uses # 8053 axle gear...C-120 uses # 101889 2. the GT-14 uses the 10 pinion, limited slip differential...the axles are not the same length. I think the RH axle is 3/4" longer then the LH axle. 3. the C-120 uses the 8 pinion differential and the axles are the same length. Choices and speculation:: The axle gears may fit on any and all of your axles...if the spline is the same,(and it probably is) but you will have to use the axle gears that were in the C-120. I suspect the difference in the gears are the number and size of outer teeth, because they are engaging a different number and size pinion gear in the differential. It may be possible to take the whole differential and the 11/44 tooth gear and interchange both. There is a Service Bulletin showing what to do to get rid of a 10 pinion differential and put in an 8 pinion differential. You should be able to go the other way. This option would ensure your axles stick out the same distance. Jake, I went back and verified the axle lengths for the 10 pinion differential...one is 11 1/4" and other is 12".

Breaking news: It looks like Jerry Kill from Minnesota is retiring for health reasons. I actually thought he was a pretty good coach as I had seen him priar to Minnesota as he coached N. Illinois. He's a pretty cool dude as he got into the dancing with the guys after victories which is something those kids will remember forever

It really does not stick out that much...about the same as the snow blade. I painted it today...here are some more pictures. Shorts really did a nice job on this...can't thank you enough Paul. I'll be taking the B-100 to AJ's next Saturday...sporting it's new hitches.

MY BOY HAS DECIDED TO BRING THIS HORSE BACK TO LIFE FOR A 4H PROJECT. WE FOUND IT IN A BARN WITH NO PRIOR HISTORY OR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT. CAN ANYONE HELP ME WITH YEAR, MODEL, ANYTHING ELSE I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT IT? I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE TO START. WAS THERE A SPECIFIC COLOR FOR BODY AND WHEELS? WE WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT BACK TO ORIGIONAL IF WE CAN. ANY HELP AT ALL WOULD BE GREATLY APRECIATED!!

At least it has a gusset!

and an amazing collection of fine quality tractors and attachments!

They are 25x10-12 Duro Frontiers, sometimes you can snag them for around 110.00 each and free shipping off eBay. The front tires are 5.70-8s and on the Ariens wide front rim workwell as the trad is under 6 inches, but the carcass, or area under the tread, is wide and allows for good balance. Wow Dennis I would say you have a pretty large variety as well, both by brand and years! Good Job

I put a Predator on my Lawn Ranger after screwing with the Tecumseh FOREVER. But I went at it a little differently. I cut the hood right at the seam between the top and front parts of the hood. Than I welded in a 2" piece of sheet metal which makes the hood just barely clears the engine which I mounted so the belt and belt guard would still work. I had to put a 2" spacer (small piece of small diameter pipe) at the front bottom of hood where it bolts to the frame and it is not even noticeable. Not sure I have a photo of that but can take one if anyone is interested. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Forgot to tell about the gas tank. I welded up a mount to fasten to the original gas tank mount so that part was still original. The gas tank location hole was my main reason for using the old tank rather than trying to figure out how to use the tank on the Predator. And the Predator is a great running engine even if it did come from Harbor Freight. It starts EVERY TIME on the first pull!! I have yet to see a bad review on this engine. In fact I have been thinking about purchasing another 212cc engine in case I have to replace another engine. The price will probably increase on these engines due to their popularity. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No real answer to this...too many variables. In general you will lose traction and spin the wheels or the tractor will flip over backwards before you could break anything in the drive train.

$ talks & you-know-what walks . Not trying to sound like a jerk but that's how I feel . If it was a friend that needed something I had & wanted some time to pay , I would just give it to him / her & not expect payment . If it happens , YIPPIE . If it doesn't , no problem . Anything other than a friend , line 1 applies in all cases . I have lost too many friends over a couple hundred bucks .

Like Yogi B. says " Cash is as good as money". I never leave a paper trail. My biggest fear now is, when I pass on, She will sell all my toys for what I told her I paid for them.

Here is my 200 series blower being used on my 212-6. Small but gets the job done!

OK Dennis...I am by no means an expert on Wheel Horse tractors, but I feel your pain. If there is one thing that this site lacks, it is the ability to pull up good pictures of horses with an explanation of what is different between the years. Case in point...on the main page we have "Picture Gallery" and the sub-category, "Wheel Horse Picture Horse Gallery" For the most part you can go in there and identify a horse...the problem...I think through the up-grades and from the old "Forum-er Site" a ton of pictures have been lost. Another thing that never happened...the folks that posted these horses only posted maybe one shot (usually the left side) when it would be helpful to show at least 4 pictures showing all sides of the horse. This could be my next project...delete the worthless posts that have no pictures and set it up to have pictures, of every horse that is correct...and if it is not correct...why not. We could go to the members that did have posts in there and see if they want to offer up those pics again. What do ya think?? On a serious side...if you do this...a new member can go into this section...identify his horse and never post anything. In other words, if you have all the information available...you lose the back and forth that so many of us love here on Red Square...that includes the banter. Personally, I think it would do us all a favor to clean up the Wheel Horse Picture Gallery...I think that Brrly1 even started a thread concerning this. Understand that this could become a huge undertaking with a bunch of knowledgeable members weighing in on what is correct and not. If I had the admins blessing on this, I already have some ideas on how to go about this...you have brought up something that , I know, a few of us have been thinking about. I was looking for something to do.

Heres my restored 1946 Lever Steer with original turning brakes!