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Hello wheel horse people. Through lot's of talking and hunting I got the old battered horse home. This horse was another one headed to the shredder to become soup cans, but it was saved by one of my co-workers before I started at the recycling yard and after much talking and some trading it's mine now. A 416_8 with electric lift. The tractor is in very ruff shape with a ton of little problems. There are many parts on the tractor that would fit the old faithful 312 but I think I should just fix it and keep one more horse out grazing. Tell me what you think. Oh and before I go the infamous rock shaft under the seat is intact that was my unicorn part

I recently got a new job at the local metal recycling yard. In two weeks time I was able to save a few Wheel Horse implements. One tiller one snow plow and two single stage snowblower. All of these were headed to the sherreder but I caught it just in time. These findings lead me two my next find a 416 8 with electric lift. Going tomorrow night to pick up the tractor I will get pics of it tomorrow but here are the implements

Finally got one....on the 4th of July!! My 11 yr old boy was rather excited!! Thad

Hey I'm new to this forum. I just inherited a 63 wheelhorse 753. I'm wondering what are some specs on it and what attachments can i put on. I'm looking more for a plow and or mower deck. Will other year mower decks fit or are there specific decks i need for the 753.

I recently picked up a front mower from the big show. I got it for a whopping $90!. It works great under trees and bushes. Took me quite a while to find one. Here are some pictures after getting it hooked up.

Found these on CL today. They were given to the guy so I offered $75 and he took it. I'm not sure what they are worth but I know at least the $75 I paid, right? I have a pair I got last year that are white, and the weights I picked up today are black. Did WH make them different colors for different years?

Smokes man, if you have a 607 with only 5° of play I think you are doing better than factory! But yea, just make sure the fan gear is shimmed as close as possible to the pinion on the pivot point. Also check for ovaling of the spots where the pinion and the fan gear shaft rotate in. You can either replace the parts or get clever with bushings like some have on here.

Velkommen Magne hyggelig å se deg her!!

i agree, add a shim Hey looky there...I'm a Red Square supporter now!

Make sure you pack your Wisconsin state bird repellent. They're big and hungry this year.

When the time gets closer, we'll begin to request teams. The one thing to keep in mind is that the WHCC show is not a RedSquare event, and we must work within the guidelines of the WHCC show. I think that if done right, this activity will compliment the show and give those who can not attend the show an activity to watch thereby (hopefully) bringing more participants for the next show!

I have resorted to a hydraulic bottle jack and a block of wood between the wheels to apply some pressure, then shock it with the BFH.

Loosen the lug nuts a bit, and drive the tractor in tight circles.

When I designed my new barn I made sure this was included. I may end up going with a second shelf....

Wow just read all 8 pages and i'm a s l o w reader. You DO GREAT work that's for sure. Sorry to hear about your dad, Hope your mom's doing better. I myself just picked up a D200 came with a deck,blower And a plow. Can't wait to use it =) I've had a 12hp Raider for the past 4 years and love plowing with it. But the D200 i think will rock my world. Or so i hope. Can't wait to see your beast.

All- I would like to invite all my Red Square friends to a meet and greet at my place on Saturday September 19th. I checked the local shows and the Kent show is 1 week after this on Sept. 25th & 26th and Zagary is after that. I plan on having the yard in decent shape (growing grass) by then. Hopefully we have enough time for everyone who wants to attend make arrangements to do so. More to come but please mark the date ! Note- new date is Sept. 19th...

1st, this is proof that the Flamingo did follow me home from the Big Show. 2nd, I wanted to take a picture of the Afghan that Squonk won and gave to my wife Chris. Karen (kthack657) made and donated this to the raffle at the Big Show...which makes it that much more special. Thanks Karen and Mike. 3rd, the 876 that I picked up from SmokinJoe. It is sporting it's new choke cable, lift lever adjustment and flywheel / generator guard.

there is suppose to be an idler that goes into the center quick attach, looks very similar to the tiller idler but i believe it only has 1 pulley on it. actually the axle going through the belt and it takes a special belt if i recall correctly. eric j

This will give a whole new meaning... to them big brothers that are always watching.

I will try and get some up tomorrow.

Wonderful save, your job sure has good fringe benefits.

Welcome to Red Square The breakdown of the numbers of the deck like Squonk is showing. RM = Rear discharge Mower...324 = 32" deck made for the 1964 horses..the last number is the year of the deck.. Depending on the mowing you are looking to do, you may want a 36" deck. Like RM-364. Can you post some pictures from all sides of the horse. You have the mid-mount attach-a-matic for the mower deck, but do you have the quick attachment that you would need for a snow blade?? It will mount on the transmission axle.

Looks like a great 876 Steve. I have a 1993 314 from the same outfit in Rockford, Ill - new sticker !

I'm thinkin Cutler has been sacked in those States Steva...I know he has been sacked in WI...more than once, I personally was there to see one of them! Not out of the woods yet Jason but I may be able to finagle my way out of that honeydo.....

Yea, model will help us a lot. Steering changed a bit over the years. To be honest, 5° of slop isnt too bad... you might not be able to work that out unless you replace most of the steering joints and bushing/shim everything you can. When I bought my 854 I had more than 30° of steering slop!

To see the offered attachments for 1963 take a look through the 1963 sales brochure... and for some more period history.... here's the link for the 1963 price list.

great find

If you can make rattle cans with hardener, please give us more information. What kind of paint is it? Is the hardener an isocynate? More info...please.

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i have 1 that i bought years ago at the big show, but it never came with all of the hardware so it sat in the shed for years. a couple of years ago i bought a complete front mower with deck and had the hardware duplicated but still never got around to using mine. i keep saying i have to get it out and try it so maybe one of these days. mine has a rod that goes down through the c channel and the deck wheels bolt on the rods. not sure of the purpose of them. now i will have to go and see if i can find the hardware and mount it up eric j

Ok. Here are the pictures I took last night at 11:00pm. It's dusty and dirty in the pictures. I gave it a quick wash today and it looks even better. This weekend I'll give it a full cleaning and detailing, change the oil and filter, fuel filter, and spark plug.

Get your self a squeeze bottle to squirt it into the carb. How much you use depends on what your trying to do. For general decarbon squirt a little at at time for about an ounce or 2. Then slam another couple ounces to make the engine stall. Let it sit an hour. Come back, start it up and fog the neighborhood for about 15 min.

This is what they gave me. I gave them the Toro part #. BTW thanks Garry.

His yard isn't really full of junk and it's not to be confused with the pics at the start of this thread. It's literally full of decent wheel horses. The tent garages are filled with horses. He does have an awesome pea green puller that's about 10 feet long that he keeps in the trailer. When I was there last summer most of the horses even ran.

maybe you guy's could get together and organize a work party to help him clean up the other junk around in exchange for a deal on some horses so the town don't end up the the tractors. just an idea eric j

I wrap rubberized electrical tape around the cap. It has two sided sticky rubber and protects the painted wheel. It works for me!!!

Welcome to Redsquare , I wished we had 1054 in UK .

welcome to the group

Hello and That tractor is looking great. Keep us updated on your progress.

3 up top, 2 underneath.

Very cool tractor Dino.

Heckle? Who me? I just wish I could have ' Caught the Moment" on camera!

I'm interested in participating. The show before this last one, my brother came to the show without a tractor so we bought all the parts at the show and built one. We did it right in the dirt road in front of our display area. It did take some time away from doing other things around the show but that kind of stuff is fun for me. We had a couple of spectators and few hecklers as we did it plus quite a few people stopped by to check it out so there was plenty of interaction going on. After getting it all together and dumping about a quart of water out of the engine, we had it running and driving. It actually ran pretty good without cleaning the carb and didn't smoke. Cost was about $375 but Jdogg (Jordan) hooked us up with some real good prices on the engine and MANY of the small miscellaneous parts which made it possible. We could've just bought a $250 or $300 tractor and drove away with it but doing it this way was MUCH more fun!

BDE, I would look for a Kohler Magnum replacement in your local Craigslists and online classifieds. I do like what was done with the C-175 and the Preditor 22HP engine but for even cheaper money and an engine with a solid reputation, look for "TWIN" Magnum 16's, 18's and 20's that had been on some cubs and some Sears GT5000 and GT6000 tractors. Both models came with vertical and horizontal shaft engines. These are also on many other Garden Tractors too. You just need to find what will match up to a WH PTO. Some of the cub cadets had larger diameter cranks than the inch and an eighth on the wheelhorse. You can always use an inch diameter shaft with a sleeve and over-sized key which are available on ebay. I like that Predator Engine and Honda parts are "suppose" to swap out on them but they are Chinese and they are not the best quality. And if you spend 650 to 750 bucks for this engine with tax, better check the warranty that HF gives you. From that warranty, it sounds like they don't have a whole lot of faith in them either! (90 DAYS)!!!!!!! A 20 hour break-in period will take up most of that 90 days for most of us. New Briggs Vanguards give you three years. Kohler and Honda at a minimum give you 1 year! It's a Wheelhorse Tractor also! Try to keep it Made in America! (But I'm also tempted to try that motor too so this is a "do as I say, not as I do)!

Yee-haw! Got it back together and on and shifts like it should. Went smoothly, only trick was the oil seals because the axles wouldn't center in the housing. There was roughly 1mm clearance on the other side and 3,5-4mm on the other. Very hard to squeeze them in without breaking the seal. Had not the correct size pvc-pipe so I just used whatever tools and pipes I had. But seemed like the the pvc-pipe would be the way to go. Put 10/30 engine oil in an drove 15min without leaks. Still to change the the oil to thinner one. So all good, and very grateful to You guys! What a great big family we have here. Stevesaurus have you visited Finland already? And Lars and I could meet in Lapland to catch some salmon.. Tom

Just sprayed mine yesterday, I had some pieces under the fenders that didn't get sun with original paint, took one to the paint shop, went a tad darker on the paint strips at the shop ...sprayed straight acrylic enamel with an epoxy anti corrosion primer ....I'm not a paint guy either, when I was hashing this out talking to folks, was told the acrylic enamel was old school....... figured old school paint on an old school tractor was fitting . Sprayed nice looks good . if your thinking of rattle cans, the Rustoleum sunrise red ( Lowe's carries it ) was as close as coconuts to the original and the PPG , I used some rattle cans on the underneath but using the good stuff ( my PPG bill was 130 bucks ) on the sheet metal and the exposed stuff is a lot more durable ....it will take every drop of a quart for a C-series size tractor . ( I did 3 coats ) . If you like this color/paint PM me I have the PPG code .

That is the problem with off-the-shelf paints such as Valspar, Krylon or Rustoleum. They take weeks to completely cure, and I too don't have the patience or the time to wait. For that reason, I have switched to acrylic urethane automotive paint, which if forced dry at 140° F, can be ready to assemble, apply decals, etc. an hour or so after painting. Even if I don't force it dry, I only have to wait 12 hours for it to be completely dry and cured.

Perry, et. al; I don't mow with any of my Wheel Horses either! (and I have a bunch of them) back in 1987 dad bought a new 211-4 with the 37" Sd deck and a bagger and it was a great mower (still is too after 1500 hours on the original aluminum briggs and peerless). That tractor started the nonsense of collecting these things for me. Dad still has the tractor, but retired it for a bigger machine when he moved. When I lived in South Bend (my first home on my own) I had a yard that was big enough for a tractor, but I always used my LawnBoy push mower since I was in good shape and could cut faster than I could with a tractor (that was a few years and several pounds ago ). When I did use a WH and deck to play around, I found I was never happy with the cut quality except that obtained by the 37" and newer 38" decks. But keep in mind that all of the yards in my neighborhood including mine were perfectly manicured (in ground spinklers, lots of fertilizer, aerating, dethatching, the works) so the standards were impossibly high. Even when set up properly, the 42" side discharge really seems to leave a lot of un-cut grass since it doesn't seem to generate much vacuum. The 48" SD is better though, but not really on par with some of the nicer "air tunnel" decks from more modern Toro's or competitors. Perhaps the longer blades equate to more overlap and higher tip speeds compared to the 42". I like the 42" RD for the ability to trim on both sides, but have found that if the grass is tall/heavy/thick/wet it leaves a lot of clumps on the lawn. Makes sense though since the grass can't be easily dispersed by any RD deck. But the RD decks can nearly double as bush hogs since they can process a lot of material. I don't recommend using a RD on a hydro tractor unless you are mindful of sweeping the chaff from the pump housing to allow cooling. The old style cross shaft decks (32" and 36" RD) do a good job at CUTTING the grass, but tend to windrow the clippings if the grass is heavy. And they also deposit it immediately in front of the rear wheels which then roll over it and pack it down. Really, I have never been terribly impressed by the cut quality of most of WH's decks. I think a lot, though, depends on how particular you are about how the lawn looks and also on the exact conditions of your lawn. For example, now that I have 10 acres to cut and millions of dandelions (literally), my standards are way, way lower than they were in my weed-free South Bend lawn. Toro/WH published a "Quality of Cut" manual for the more modern tractors that details how to optimize your setup to get the most out of the deck. talks about leveling the deck from front to back and some other "tips" to get the most out of them. I think it can be downloaded free from Toro.com I know a lot of guys who know me from the Yahoo site are groaning right now about my little rant ...sorry. But, I think most of the shortcomings of the WH decks really just relate to the older "flat deck" designs that don't make much allowance for airflow. Look at virtually any modern deck and you see a deep channel that promotes high air speeds at the leading edge of the deck. And as we all remember from our fluid dynamics classes , higher fluid velocites equate to greater vacuum (more or less). Better vacuum stands more blades of grass upright. More upright blades get cut better. etc. New decks on modern zero turns seem to have gone back to the "flat" design, but they make up for it with higher blade speeds, airfoils on the blade tips, and/or lots of internal baffling. WH improved the decks over the years, but at least into the 80's really didn't match the likes of Simpicity or Deere in cut quality. I have never used a newer 52" deck from Toro, but it looks like it ought to be a good cutter..and I have heard reports that it does indeed do a great job. The 60" used on the C195 is something I have no familiarity with so can't comment, but its wacky design suggests it isn't optimized for a great cut. The 60" used on the 520-H, however, is reported to be a great cutter. I have the identical deck under my 724-Z zero turn and can report that it does a decent job. I run the tractor at almost full ground speed when cutting so imagine that on a slower moving 520 it leaves no blades untouched. I suspect that deck was designed/made by Dixie Chopper since they made the zero turns for WH (and later, Toro) for many years. That is a heavy sucker too! About 350 pounds I think! Ironically, that 60" deck is a flat top design. But there are baffles underneath and more appreciable overlaps on the blades than on the older WH decks. Still doesn't match the best decks out there, but a very capable cutter nonetheless. Presently, I cut my grass - as infrequently as possible - with the following items: 1. 1995 Toro-WH 724-Z with a 60" deck 2. 1981 Ford 1700 tractor with 72" JD 3pt mower when the grass is too tall for the Toro. 3. the Ford and a 5' bush hog for when things get out of hand. I sometimes cut around the house with a WH if I want the grass shorter or want to play, but I generally reserve the WH's for tilling, blading, pulling, etc and seldom have a deck mounted to any of them. Amazingly, the zero turn Toro with its little 5' deck will cut my grass significantly faster than will the ford with its bigger 6' deck. Unless something breaks, i will never go back to cutting with a tractor style mower again. I regularly mow about 3-4 acres around the house as a "lawn" and the Toro does the job in about 1.5 hours compared to the Ford doing it in 2.5. AND, I don't have nearly the trimming with the string trimmer I did before! What an invention! (Where did the claim that a GT-14 with a 48" deck could cut 3 acres an hour come from? I guess if you had a 48" wide stretch of grass a couple miles long it would do it...) So, what was my point? if you expect your lawn to look like a well manicured estate (better than a golf course) you might be disappointed with any 20+ year old tractor. But if you want something that does a "B" grade job and puts you in the seat for a few hours, you can't go wrong with any WH mower. I feel kind of badly about opening such a can of worms as a relative newcomer, but just trying to offer what i think is an objective opinion based on my experience. Your results may vary! Best wishes , Steve