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lost my senses awhile back and bought this wheel horse senior that needs help bad. It started when I called about an add on craigslist from a gentleman selling a wheel horse collection but there were no pictures or any tractors listed. when I called I asked what do you have for sale and he replied what are you looking for Sooo for the heck of it I said a wheel horse senior there was a moment of silence then he said I have one but I was not going to sell it . so we talked for awhile and found out we knew who each other was from the wheel horse show he was looking for some information I had so we traded e-mail address and hung up later I e-mailed him the information we was looking for and told him that if he ever decides to sell the senior to let me know. about two months went by and I received an e-mail from him wondering if I was still interested in buying the senior well one thing lead to another and a deal was made and now I have my work cut out for me too save this one this one will be a learning experience Brian

Just finished this one for a friend, B80 with 12hp kohler

A friend called, "Hey found some WH items you might want." Three items were dropped off: 1) 48" SD deck, excellent condition, used perhaps twice; 2) Attach-A-Matic hitch, new, boxed; 3) 42" SD chute, like new. Seems the PO wrecked a Horse, dealer, refurbished, never used. Landscapers took over the mowin' chores. Felt like Christmas when the items were dropped off!

If I did that it would require a home equity loan to buy the metal Brian

Had some more help today and was able to get the upper deck railing built and the remainder of the back siding done. Thanks again Fireman and Cousin Timbo !!

hello guys and girls i made a trailer to a short film i will be making (of coarse it features my tractor) its a spoof of the fast and furious francise) sort of a joke type video if you ask me. enjoy james

well guys the parts are going to be on the way shortly for a adjustable chute. pics will be coming. i'd like to find a wind meter to check the speed of the air now and when the chute is done lol. oh and as far as taking credit for the insanity.........ok i guess i can lol. it's not good to leave me alone,bored in the barn haha.

I've had a lot of people try to figure mine out and they never come close. I started using cruisnblue in 2003 when I bought a new '03 blue PT Cruiser. I was also a fastpitch and slowpitch softball umpire at that time. Players affectionately called us "Hey Blue" because of the color of our umpire uniforms. So, I was the Blue with the Cruiser. Then about a year later 2004, I bought a 1960 era early modified vintage dirt track race car that was pretty much junk, apparently a race car that somebody starting building in the early '60s but was never finished. I have been a dirt track racing fan all of my life and this car reminded me of the old race cars from the '60s when I was a kid. It took me about six years to finish this car and now the past four years, I've been driving this old race car at show and exihibition track time events at all of the local south central PA dirt tracks when they have vintage race car nights. I was 48 years old when I bought this vintage race car, painted it metallic blue and put a number 48 on it. So, now I am cruisnblue48.

Here they are...the one without the seat has the motor torn apart, the other one he said "smokes....or has the valve seat problem" Should be good parts machines...be on the lookout for parts for sale in the near future, once I test everything to see what works and what doesn't. Both have steering reduction and swept axles and both came with pretty nice 48" decks!!! The other cool little thing is what??? IDK, please go read my thread in the "non tractor related" section.

And by then, the Majic paint might be dry...

Time for one of these...

Working three horses with Sundstrand hydros and knowing that the day would surely one day come when I’d need to fix one of them I acquired a ‘for spares or repairs’ C-121 auto early this year Described as having an engine that was reluctant to start but will move forwards and backwards I found that whilst it was strong in both directions the hydro takes a while to jump into action once you’ve finally managed to get the engine going. It’s a fault that’s appeared on the forum before and had clearly existed on this tractor for many years judging by the way the keyways on the hubs and axles had been totally destroyed by the jolting action, so much so in fact that a bolt through the axle and hub had been added on one side to transfer drive and keep the hub on! For the price I paid, it would provide an ideal opportunity to have a go at the disassembly and re-assembly of a hydro pump and motor without putting any of my fleet at risk. A nice little ‘no pressure’ learning exercise for the winter was in the offing. Seemed like a good scheme until only a few weeks later the hydro on my D-200 died, it had been working hard with no warning signs or sounds when it failed. Guessing that the symptoms i.e. no motion and no implement lift function could mean the splines on the pump drive had stripped (though I’ve learnt by now not to try second guessing Sundstrand faults) there was no option but to move the three point and ram etc across to my other D-200 for the season and the winter project now needed a bit of re-thinking. If I could cure the fault on the C-121 transmission and it was in otherwise good order I could perhaps use the motor from it for the D but there would be a problem with the pump in that the motion control shaft is on the opposite side for a D series resulting in needing to use some parts from the original D series pump to put together a suitable arrangement. What I really needed was a good pump with motion control shaft available on the correct side but here in the UK D series tractors rarely come up for sale, good hydros from one being parted out, never to my knowledge! Lady Luck smiled on me in September when a complete C-161 transaxle with believed to be good hydro appeared on a well known site and I managed to grab it for the starting bid price . In terms of the hydro, it’s a Sundstrand 90-1173, same as used on the later D series, and has a ‘universal’ motion control shaft which protrudes from either side of the pump casing – The tractor had been parted as the engine was beyond repair so there was a good chance the hydro was indeed good but that would need testing. To do this has meant putting the transmission onto the C-121, getting the engine to start and testing it out thoroughly. It went well in both directions then the real test of confronting an immoveable object with it. Even with weight on the seat, the rear tyres continued to excavate the surface of the drive so I guess the hydro can be considered to be good to use. It appears then that I have enough bits to stand a reasonable chance of getting the D-200 going again using the pump and motor from this transmission. It also means that I’ll be left with a good transaxle which I could use with the pump and motor unit from the C-121 and maybe that tractor is worth saving after all rather than being parted. If I can manage all of this then finally I get my chance with the old D pump and motor to have a go at disassembly and inspection etc. Trying to put all of this into a logical order, I’m going to take the head off the engine to hopefull find out what's up with it while the C-121 still has a good tranny attached and, while the 'jolting' tranny is off, I'll check out the acceleration valves as a first step. I don’t have the time to be working on the project every day at the moment but I’ll keep you posted on progress and I’ll more than likely be needing to pick the brains of those of you with knowledge and experience. Hints, tips and advice always welcome.

Just want to say this forum is great, I have been lurking here for over 6 months, what a wealth of information!! I repair small engines, mowers, tillers, etc... What I mainly do is buy, refurbish, & sale. I had NEVER owned a wheel horse until back in April I acquired a 1993 416-H with the Onan dirt cheap that was in mint condition. It had sat in a barn for the last 10 years or so. I spent roughly $200 on it & it was like new. I sold it & took a 416-8 in on trade that was ROUGH!!! It also has the Onan which I'm quiet fond of. Well, I had no intentions of 'fixing' it per say, but the more I looked at it, & the more small things I did, & the more I read on here & saw all your pics & the love there are for these tractors I dove into it & now I'm hooked. In fact I just found a c-81 with a blade sitting in front of an old barn yesterday, I pulled in & 20 minutes later I was loading it on my trailer. This 416-8 I have has no attachments, no deck, nothing, heck, it didnt even have a hood when I got it. So I've been trying to find a good deal on a snow blade for it. So when I saw this one close to home I thought I was in the money. But the guy wouldn't sale me just the blade so I bought the whole tractor & now my mind is going crazy thinking about what to do with it. Anyway, just wanted to say what a great forum & I will be jumping in now & asking LOTS of questions because these beasts are all new to me but I love em! I'll throw in a few pics of the 416-H I sold, the 416-8 Im working on & the c-81 I just bought

Picked up a couple horses tonight....they are identical twins.....plus something else kind of cool...I'll post picks tomorrow, too dark now.... I'll give you a hint...they rhyme with shmive shmenty. :)

You need to save it even if you just buy it and sell at least it will go to a wheel horse person and maybe have a better life

Found my 1989 312-8 800 hrs on the clock at one of our customers, a stud farm when I was there to repair thier road sweeper. It stood next to the scrap heap, it would not start so they scrapped it. The company could not sell it to me but could give it to me as scrap. The problem turned out to be a perished fuel line. Doug.

Ok men...just got back. Here are more pictures. Glenn

Item 7 - 915113 Nylock nut 3/8"-16 USS - coarse thread - these nuts have a nylon insert in them that locks them to the bolt Item 9 - 2844 washer is a 3/8" flat washer Item 12 - 908037 bolt replaced by 323-9 is a 3/8"-16 x 1-3/4" USS bolt - coarse thread Item 13 - 908035 bolt replaced by 323-7 is a 3/8"-16 x 1-1/4" USS bolt - coarse thread The Nylock nuts just keep the spring from sliding up and down the bolt. The spring hook must be free to turn on the bolt so there is a space between the nuts. Garry

I think this is the 2nd time Maryland has prevented me from having a perfect week!

LOOK OUT BELOW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwwoKkIxebk Rob

Picking my bones already..

RESULTS OF WEEK # 10 WINNING TEAMS...IOWA, MARYLAND, WISCONSIN, MICHIGAN, NEBRASKA, OHIO ST. WITH A PERFECT SLATE 6 WINS AND 0 LOSSES & BRAGGING RIGHTS FOR THIS WEEK...JACKHAMMER, HORSEFIXER 5 WINS AND 1 LOSS...STEVASAURUS, BRRLY1, RACINBOB, RMCIII, SQUONK, HODGE 4 WINS AND 2 LOSSES...JIMD, THANATOS 3 WINS AND 3 LOSSES...BITTEN TOTAL RESULTS AFTER 86 GAMES... 67 WINS AND 19 LOSSES...HODGE 65 WINS AND 21 LOSSES...STEVASAURUS, SQUONK 64 WINS AND 22 LOOSES...BRRLY1 63 WINS AND 23 LOSSES...JACKHAMMER, THANATOS 60 WINS AND 26 LOSSES...RACINBOB, RMCIII, BITTEN, HORSEFIXER 57 WINS AND 29 LOSSES...JIMD

Decided on a bit of a tidy up, so put the horses to work in the woods moving a few tons of stone. Some pieces were pretty big and required special treatment....project bendy handled it with ease One of my sons tried to help but his C-121 is no match for the slope out - lucky for him we could tow him out Here's a few pics and a video... http://youtu.be/La0LFlOp6a0

I wish I was closer, I would so be there. That barn looks incredible. What a hangout!

are we going to see a stainless senior ? eric j

Depends sometimes being towed is fun Here's the video when we cut through into the woods, it was impossible to get out without help http://youtu.be/u0Gm6KeE8tA

about time you started a tread on the senior you gave me a teaser about it earlier at Windsor show eric j

He sold it to the right guy, it'll be better than new shortly. I'll be following along on this one too.

I guess Im a doughnut eating fool this week.

Well worth the headaches and scraped knuckles getting her up & running Brian , I look forward to traveling another 2000 miles to look at the finished job , good luck with the project mate.

my guess is,,,,,,,,520 Glenn

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There is no doubt in my mind that it will be showroom shape when your done ! Mike............

Thats the way a puller oughta be!! I recently needed to pull 2 and wasnt even gonna consider a 3 jaw or some of the other too risky pullers so I went digging thru my scrap boxes and managed to get one together similar to the one you show. A 7/8" fine thread bolt with only about 1 1/2" of threads but luckily I had a threading die that size and I ran the threads up to the shoulder, and I also had a tap that size, and had a piece of 1/2" plate along with the 5 - too long - 7/16' bolts. A few minutes on the mill and I had the bolt pattern drilled and tapped... One of the hubs was one of those that would have been impossible to get off with a 'common' puller - I had to get out my 3/4" air impact wrench and let it sit and hammer away while the hub crept off must've taken 8-10 minutes. and yes I had been feeding it Kroil for 3-4 days. I dont think it would hold up for another hard pull like that - I want to get another made up and probably be a copy of yours, it looks like it would hold up. You sure have to be careful with these dang hubs, they will break out all to easily without a heavy duty puller along these lines...

Spent the day fabricating a replacement trip lever for the disc. Made from a 3" piece of 1" black iron pipe and a 4" section of 1/4" steel strap, fits great. More to come and thanks for following, I probably should have posted this in restorations section, I just had no idea at the time there were this many problems with it.

During the initial testing of the "Whirled of Hurt", yes it will move leaves WELL into the neighbors yard! No video was made because of that "self-incriminating evidence" thing. Now I'm beginning to understand that "Good fences make good neighbors" stuff. Because of the season and Halloween and all, we found that is does throw mini marshmallows pretty well. The kids might be able get their treats delivered to them on the street!

Did this yesterday. Gonna do some mods but should blow a Prius off the highway when done.

Here are the rear wheels mounted with the Almond color. Not much to look at as I am part way in the rebuild. Ed

I used Rustoleum Canvas White on my 160. I really liked the color, but the paint was hard to find. Most places didn't have it.

I made another addition to "Paladin" to make it my primary worker. Right now I am setting it up for winter and installed a Johnny Bucket Universal Electric Sleeve Hitch. This is the tractor that will have the snowthrower so I am using a scrape plow on the rear to get up near the garage doors for snow. Once again the unique Wheel Horse hitch caused fitment issues ( attaching a Cyclone Rake was my previous challenge.) I needed to install the tongue bracket that bolts to the existing hitch backwards so that it didn't interfere with attaching the sleeve hitch. I lose the ability to put a trailer ball through the extra hole. But it would be too low to use anyway so I have plans on how to remedy this. The frame has holes at the rear for the OEM weight box and I used two of these for the metal straps. I sprung for the optional suitcase weight brackets as well. It took three tries at wiring it until I came up with actually a simple solution which doesn't require the wiring extension included with the kit and allows a quick disconnect if I need to remove the hitch. It is a well made item and should provide years of service. I was concerned about the additional length but that doesn't seem to be a problem.

Thank u

There should be a check valve in the breather somewhere. They allow air out of the crankcase but the check valve should prevent air from going in. That keeps the crankcase under a vacuum when running. Don't know where it is on the Twins but may be something in the manuals Garry Adding - make sure there is not too much oil in it. I see the dipstick is to be reinstalled after wiping to check it. If it is just sitting on the fill tube he would be putting too much in it.

Don't forget if you find a decent 3/4" shaft for cheap that you could sleeve it to 1".

Out of room no way,just put up another building you have plenty of space there or clean out one of those other buildings...

Got two each 215/65 15's mounted on Ford rims sitting here you can have. Gonna have to come get 'em though.

Cool vid and towing is cool if you're the Toweer and not the Towee!

Andy...the only thing I am not sure of is this....the cam lever is pointed up in both applications.....in the D series I believe the cam is pushed toward the front of the pump for forward motion.....if that is the case then in a C series the cam would have to be pushed towards the rear of the pump for forward.... This is what I am not sure of because each time I have one open to look I forget to check.....(the age thing)..... My guess is that you would have to take the cone/spring assemblies from the D pump and install in the 121 pump for ram use.....guess the 161 already has these installed....but I don't know exactly what is needed for lift control....

Shmive shmenty , hmmm ,now what can that be . Sounds exciting. .

KC,,,,,,,,, I cant stop laughing. Frustrating isnt it? Glenn edit: my one thousandth post. Shouldnt it be something wise and smart? Lol

That's a very good thought Bob and one that I didn't consider. Looking at the orientation of the holes round the motion control shaft these are rotated slightly clockwise with respect to the main axis i.e. pump shaft whichever side you look at so your idea of flipping the case through 180 would probably work. Looking for simple solutions my brain went for using the pump casing from the old D pump. I had a niggling thought though about another potential issue though in that the C-121 did not have a ram for the implement lift connected to it. The ports have blanking plugs that could be removed but did all Sundstrands have the implement relief valve fitted - the manual refers to this as 'optional'.At the end of the day I'm relieved that I'll be using the pump and motor from a C-161 with motion control shaft available on the D side and that has been used with a ram connected to it so certainly has the internal implement relief valve. Andy