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Really Martin... you expect someone here to admit in public, they have a short one?

I think you mean that oil is leaking by the brake shaft...and not the transmission case halves. The brake shaft seal is SKF 7410 available at NAPA or motion industries. The WH# is 100441 if you go to TORO. Take off the brake band and the brake drum. You can dig out the seal with an awl...it is only about 1/8" thick. Once you get the seal out...check for up/down and side to side play in the shaft to determine if the bearing is OK. You should not really have any play. If all is good, file any burrs on the end of the shaft and key way (could ruin your new seal). Some of the guys like to put some tape on the shaft and then slide the seal over that. You can use some tubing that fits over the shaft, or a hammer and punch to tap the seal back in.

everyone i touch is overpaid in the end........

We got 8" of the heavy snow on Monday and 1/2-3/4 " of ice on Wed. Many roads still closed and and power outages in this area .

This is too absolutely COOL!!!! I wish I could re-enroll in elementary school (get an advanced degree?). I'm going figure out a way to work a Harrison Elementary Garden Tractor Club decal into the 1/25 scale Electro project.

I had that same motor in my 67 Chevelle. It ate the 350 Camaros and 340 cudas up easily. Gosh I miss that thing.

Humm, just a thought... better be careful using any cheap azz toilet paper too.

i went searching and think i found the listing for this tractor. I'm sorry but i don't think the description on the listing was deceiving at all. it wasn't very thorough..... Wheel Horse C 165 lawnmower comes with snow blade and front and back wheel weights. Mower does run . It has a Kohler engine . I will help load on your truck or trailer or could deliver for a fee . it can be picked up in PLYMOUTH INDIANA 46563 CASH ON PICK UP ! and they did give you additional info about the engine..... i would not have just bought it for that price without looking at it first or at least getting some opinions on here first. that price is way more than i would have paid, but its not really out of line for what i see tractors go for on that site. as far as condition goes, its not in the best condition, but I've bought worse ( but also for less money). most of the rust is surface from what i see, the left cover is pretty bad and probably needs to be replaced, but the condition overall is fairly typical of tractors that age. same with parts missing. these machines have been around a few years now and its getting harder to find good examples on the lower end....... this forum and its members are here for help and advice, just need to ask..... i think the whole deal should have been handled differently from your end, you did go in blindly on a tractor that the owner was not really telling you anything untrue...... heres how you need to handle it from here on out......... forget about what you paid for it, its over and done with. fix the tractors problems and enjoy it. you have a capable tractor there once running right..... or, restore it to its former glory and show it off as one of your collection. but, don't forget to ask questions and opinions, thats what we are here for......

I bought some steel plate that was already cut into rounds, then just drilled the mounting holes in them, they are about 50 or 55 pounds 1 and half or so thick if I remember right

My 1974 C--160 8-Speed has a shorty but it also has the flip up seat pan and underseat toolbox so its always easy to get at I admitted it Craig…Im comfortable enough ….

My c120 and 141 both have the tall ones if I remember right. I don't use the one on the 120, when I check it with the fill plug the dipstick is not accurate. Never checked the 141 after I changed and refilled it.

I have a set on the rear of mine made by the original owner who was a machinist. There is a smaller set to bolt to the outside of them that I may make into front weights in the spring. With the rears loaded and the bigger weights, I have no traction problems. I can get some pics and measurements over the weekend and post them for you if you want.

did your engine start?

Many have made them with lead from melting old wheel weights, Dukes got a thread on this when he made them for his 520 snow chucker. found it

longer is almost always desired for the under seat fuel tanks. But I have noticed on the older tractors, they have the short one. I don't want to dig to find the dipstick just to check the oil level.

Craig, looks like the snow surprised you...lawn chairs and a workhorse still outside?

This should work for you Mr. Moto

IF THIS WAS CLOSER I WOULD DONATE A TRACTOR TO HELP OUT. I GAVE A WHEEL HORSE TO A TECH. SCHOOL IN R.I. THIS PROGRAM IS WHAT THE KIDS NEED TODAY.

Well not much of an update to give but here we go........... I can honestly say that we have missed more school the past month than we have been here at school. North Central Indiana is having quite the nasty weather like so many of you are also enjoying. With all of the cancellations we are still hibernating and chomping at the bit to get the ball rolling again. This past Wednesday we planned to meet to work on a special project in the computer lab but unfortunately school was cancelled that day. We are planning to try and meet up this coming Wednesday and see what we can get accomplished. We have caught wind of a very special essay contest involving a B-80 tractor. The kids are going to work on a submission in hopes they can win in order to provide a machine for the club for next school year. The barn is almost complete. I have not had the chance to make it back down to see the progress or lend a hand lately but from what I am hearing the last thing to be done is having the floor painted a shop grey color. The lights are up, the heater is mounted, garage door is installed, siding is all on, insulated and painted walls, electric is all complete.........pretty much all done. Now we have piles and piles of snow where this new building is supposed to be located. We are hoping for a miracle to be able to get this thing up here. Please stay tuned and thanks again for following along on our journey!

I'm really liking the way the tires look on this machine. Your restorations always look so much better than stock, more like show pieces.

Uh oh! I think I used those stickers to dress up my new tub cart.

Like Kelly said the original ones are not interchangeable, the clocking is wrong to work on the other side. What I don't understand is that when you need a right hand side one, all you have on the shelf is 3 left hand side ones.

I found a lot of my play came from that spur gear. They were sloppy from the factory. Also if you get down in the block underneath where your forward steering shaft goes through. It does not take much wear there to become sloppy. There were a lot of those blocks with grease Zerk's in them but they never drilled the hole all the way through. They should have been rejects but somehow they got through. The next time you grease it check to see if grease comes through. If it does not, it might need drilled.

Terry, how old is he, P'Chop is 10. Load the rear tires, add chains and put tri ribs on the front, they will make a big difference on that little tractor. Chop's will be rebuilt/restored after the snow but before mowing season because " Dad I have work to do"! I was going to leave it in it's original work clothes, but he will never let it go so I may as well redo it now and it will last until his son gets it.

Well, I hope your son's lawnranger Tecky lasts till spring. After my Andrew looked at the pic of your little guy sitting on his tractor in the snow, He's begging me to let him plow next year. we put andrew's ranger in storage for the winter because it just wasn't snow worthy at the time.... so like you, I'll be working this summer on getting the snowplow ready ,new tires and tire chains and weights ready for next year...and plus he's grown some so its easier for him to pull the lift lever back. he can't wait!!.

I'll say, that is like catching a 10 pound bass or taking a 12 point buck on your first trip out. It just spoiled you. You likely won't find a deal that good ever again.I'm sure some on here are going to call you a horse thief!

It really sounds like this isnt something you should tackle without some better guidance than through written responses here. Along with installing rings - which in itself has to be done in a certain manner - the crankshaft, rod, valves , lifters and other areas should be inspected for wear and taken care of at the same time. Is there not someone you could get to give you hands on guidance? I have done several engines but I still like to have my buddy come over and the 2 of us check every thing over.

You had a bad connection somewhere and when you re-installed the connectin was made good.The way you say it was smoking,it seems like a ground to me But it is old enough to smoke. Sorry I had to say that,I'm tired it's been a long day.

Fire- welcome to RS and nice pics.....

I don't buy any GT parts from England, but I do buy die-cast toys sometimes or trade for them with other toys from here. The shipping costs seem to offset each other. The part I don't care for is the delay in getting stuff. I can send off a package to there and it arrives fairly quick, say within a week, but the one coming here sometimes takes 30 or more days to arrive. I believe this is because of our customs section and the constant fear by them that some terrorist is shipping something here. Its sometimes a sad world.

I think a passing of the helmet at the Big show is in order less than 6 months away. weather prediction: hazy, hot and humid with highs in the 90's with chance of late day showers.

He would have been 69 today. . .

THE ONLY THING YOU CAN POKE IN YOUR EAR IS YOUR ELBOW....

I did the project about 5 years ago, the only thing i remember having an issue with was the muffler output. I reused the original Cub muffler as I did not have a WH one, I cut off the outlet and welded a plug over it. I then put in a new outlet in the center of the muffler facing out the side of the tractor. I reused the grass screen from a K301 as the Cub had a huge hole in the center for the dive shaft. Some minor wiring changes and I had to source parts from a C-175 to make the PTO work as I wanted to retain the shaker plate. Also a new belt guard was needed that I fabbed up out of Stainless Steel. Although if you starting with a C-175 or a 417 you won't need all the PTO parts. My tractor started out life as a 1981 C-125.

Hey Guys! I am new to this site, but I absolutely love Wheel Horse! My Grandfather and Father both had them while I was growing up and besides being in love with them and keeping the tradition alive, at least one is a must. I have been searching for about a year and a half so I could get my own WH, but I have not been able to find one for a fair price that would appease my wife and the pocket book at the same time. Well, in my recent hunt, someone just GAVE me a running 312-8. That's right, gave! It does burn a little oil, it appears. Well, with the snow that was coming over the last few days, I knew I needed a plow. So, I found someone on craigslist that was selling a 312-8 with a plow, cleated tires and deck. He asked $300 so I got it for $150. I think th motor is shot, but I have been robbing parts and pieces to fix mine up cosmetically. Long story short, I have my plow installed, those tires on mine and have been plowing snow like a fool! Bought some chains and we are in business. Eventually, I would like to restore it top to bottom. it is a 1993 made in South Bend, IN.

Hello and

looks like you did have fun.I am sure there will be more fun to come.

Hi Gazza, Welcome to the forum! The B-111 is looking really good, make sure you post some pictures up once you have stickered it up, I bet the decals will really finish it off. Tom

Just chain the post at the ground and then run it over a junk steel wheel and then hook the tractor to it, changes the direction of pull from horizontal to vertical. I use a junk 22.5 semi wheel that does double duty as a fire pit

I would have picked up that C161 you have for that money. I am very fond of all the C series anyway. Like Kelly said a good running 16hp Kohler is $250, wait a second! Kelly, you were going to sell me yours for $300 What's up with that?

All dressed up in her winter clothes.

Here's a couple pic's to try to show the depth a little better.

I use 10 or 12" x 8' planks, with the tail gate removed so they rest on the bumper , and almost line up with the bed. at some point I may get ramp ends for them I always try to load down hill when ever possible I've only done gear drive tractors , so pushing them up has worked so far , a second set of hands makes it much easier if I had to move them on a regular basis , a winch would be the way to go for sure!

Remember, It's a ? Clean it up, and do your maintenance before you go jumping off the roof.

Neil is right. You did save it from the scrap man. One of the reasons we are here is to save these old horses from extinction, so you did a good thing. Sounds like thats where the C-165 was otherwise surely headed. Post some more pics of it to let us see what the overall package looks like. If it runs and moves under its own power it can't be all that bad. As far as the rust goes, what I'm seeing is surface rust. They're only rust buskets when rusted all the way through. In the end you might be a little upside down in the C-165 but if restored right you will have a heck of a good garden tractor. I've been there, done that too. Take some deep breaths, power wash it, post some pics and lets see what you got.

Lars - NICE VIDEO!!!!!!!! RJ.....Great options.... Me, I take the blower!

Powerful plowing!!!! Are you plowing in 3rd gear high range?!?!?!

We got about 6" of powder yesterday, I went with the blade. Rick

Martin, by all means as Tankman said, "Use some Seafoam". It worked for me also. I mixed one ounce per gallon and wow what a difference in my 417A and Ariens Zero turn after only one tankful each. I then repeated this mixture for another tank and there was more improvement in both machines. I'm sold on this stuff now.

Had a Piddley Snow Last Night So This Morning I Piddled a Bit and Broke in My Grand Daughter Henny as My New Camera Man errrr um I mean (lady) Some Snow Is Better than None I Guess. And at least heres a few pictures of it doin what its suppose to do, than getting pictures of it in the Shop.