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My greatest fear is .....when I'm gone, Hun Bun sells my WHs for what I told her I paid for them.

Used the Lawn Ranger and snowthrower for about the tenth time this Winter tonight! We had snow coming down about an inch an hour from 4 PM to 8:30 PM. I used the Lawn Ranger which worked better than I ever remember for an hour until I sheared off the pushpin/cotter key holding up the lift rod in the back of the snowthrower. I will probably find the washer that held it in place sometime this Spring or Summer! I used the 1963 Wheel Horse 633 and the BD-4262 snowplow for the last half hour! It worked great but after an hour and a half of fighting Old Man Winter I was ready to get warm again inside! This is the Lawn Ranger after the workout tonight! Photo of the lift rod hanging off to the right of the snowthrower. I will get a new washer and push pin on it in the am!

I don't EVER over pay for any tractors....EVER! My wife believes that my barn is chock full great deals!!!!

We got another 4" of snow last night. Went out this morning and blew the snow off my 1000' private lane I share with other neighbors. Got the lane cleared and started to clear individual drives when my 520h lost power to the rear cylinder. It still ran so I drove it to the shed, took the blower and chains off, and put them on another 520H I have. I pulled out of the shed and noticed the tire chain rubbing on the fender bracket so I backed up into the shed to try to slide wheel hub out a little. As I was backing up, the snowblower dropped to the ground. I looked under the tractor and found my lift lever snapped in two. So I took the blower and chains off this tractor and got out my 418A . Third times a charm. The 418A finished the job. I guess this is a good reason that there is no such thing as having too many Wheel Horses.

Nope. Did I say it was a bad day? No heat in shed ! Hoping it is just a spark plug on the 520H. Have not looked into it yet. Might wait till it's warmer out. Not much of a poster but plan on changing that. Plenty of nice people here!

SYMPATHETIC .... Would that be an oil that was sorry your tranny died ? Sorry leave96...........I couldn't resist .....

$20 in tubes could solve the problem also.

You are not overpaying,if you don't believe me go to Sears and see what 1000.00 buys.

Hello! I joined this forum pretty recently and I'm probably not the typical forum visitor. I build scale models - usually 1/25 cars - and I've been working on an Electro 12 model. BTW, many of the model cars that I build are my favorite car and another South Bend native - Studebakers. I found this site while searching online for reference photos and manuals. It's a great place with a lot of excellent resources. Reminds me a lot of the Studebaker Drivers Club forum where the members have always been very supportive of my model building. Makes me want to have a real Wheel Horse (and a Studebaker). Anyway, this is where it all started: Probably not many people are more interested in the Wheel Horse than they are in the Indy Car but I'm building the tractor and may never build the car. The tractor in the kit appears to be Charger but after looking over this forum for a while I decided to convert it to the Charger's cousin - a 1969 Electro 12. I had already built the engine as it came in the box but I realized it wasn't correct for this tractor. This is what the first build-up looked like: So I stripped the paint off and did a conversion: The next order of business was building a mower deck since the kit didn't have one and what good is a Wheel Horse without it! I downloaded the manual for a 5-1422 (Thank you, Forum!) and started scratchbuilding. This has been a lot of fun! Here are a few shots from the build-up and the finished mower: The paint is Duplicolor Bright Red which is a GM color. I bought some IH Red at Tractor Supply but didn't really like the drying properties of the paint. The GM Red matches it very well and in fact I brushed on a little of the IH color as touch-up paint in a few spots and can't see the difference. Duplicolor is my preferred paint. It dries fast and hard. There's certainly more to come. I hope you enjoy. Most of the other major components are under construction right now and will be ready to post soon.

Watched the 7pm news on WNEP Scranton PA. First one showed a GT-14 ( I think) with an FEL in Williamsport PA clearing snow. I was trying to make a note when they cut to another piece with a 520 (I think quick shot) and a blower clearing snow in Hometown, PA. OK who are the lucky TV stars???

IMO if you find one that you have no intentions of EVER selling then you did not overpay.

Man, that story needs a good sound track to go with it.

Dino, you don't have any snow! Our entire yards are as deep as your bank! I was out to the west in Honor this afternoon and the banks along the road were within a foot of covering the road signs. I was in East Tawas yesterday and took a pic of a doe in an opening in the trees, buried up to her neck munching on small trees. If you look close she is in the center of the pic. The loader came thru the neighborhood today. Bet your Tecky would not throw over those piles!

got home today and these were in the driveway......... hmmmm......

personally what i think you guys are calling fair value is too low, i would pay more if i needed one, knowing what i know about their capability. For what they can do to help maintain your property and for how long they will still last if maintained, they're cheap say you pay 500 for a tractor, plow and deck; how much would you spend in one year on having your driveway plowed and your lawn mowed? when you take that into account is $1000 cheap for something to get these tasks done? to mow my lawn would cost $75-100 per week. (I have about 35,000 ft2 of lawn) just plowing for this storm at my house would be over $100. it's about $40-60 every time they show up this storm would have been a couple of visits mine have paid for themselves many times over if you are collecting them to fix up and drive around at shows then you may consider them expensive. You will put alot into them making them look better than new

Parts lists call for a 3/16" x 1" cotter pin in that location. I found that the hole needs to have the rust removed to get the 3/16" cotter pin in. Not a good application for a quick pin as they quickly get removed. Garry

I'm guilty of paying to much but I try to look at what I'm getting even if the its just a parts mower I try to look at what it would cost to buy the transmission or a steering wheel or a seat it all adds up right and you would be stuff your going to use why not pay 50$ for a mower that don't run but has good trans and other things you would use than ur money ahead

Before I would spend $248 for new rims I would go to another shop and have them mounted. Sounds like all they need is the side walls blown out to catch. Were the side walls crushed in when you got them?

Will never happen...if they all go in the box with you.

Inevitable. Can't pass up. All of mine were BARGAINS!!!! Marvin

Hello All, well as many of you know the (POS) 400 small block in my 1971 Nova SS decided to blow up after a fit of spirited gear throwing with the Muncie M21. I didn't build the motor and never liked it from the start.... After blowing it up I have had 99 different ideas of what I wanted to do to re-power my car. I always kept coming back to one nagging idea. Granted this idea won't be the easiest or cheapest but will be the "Coolest" at least in my mind and that's all that really counts. After looking at crate engines, used engines, rebuilding the 400, having LOTS of power versus having average power so I could let my kids drive it etc... I have picked up a 1968 Impala 250 Hp 327 Quadrajet motor. I have always loved 327's and there big brother the 427. Never had either..... but just didn't want to say "its got a 350...... siggggghhhhhhh" when people ask. I'm going to open it up a bit and see what it looks like inside---if its clean I will put in a timing chain, front cover seal, rear main seal, oil pump and whatever other gaskets I can. Motor has 96,000 and runs / sounds good. I just liked the idea that this motor is 100% complete and has all the brackets I need to run the non accessory bolt hole double hump heads, Plus I want to add after market AC at some point and the cool GM Frigidaire compressor and brackets are included. The guy I got the motor from pulled it out of the Impala to make room for a sick 572 cid 850 HP Big Block. Heres a pic of the engine.... yah maybe I'm crazy but its just plain cool. I expect to get all sorts of messages about "theres no replacement for displacement" and that's fine. This is enough motor for me at this point and if I want theres lots of room left to turn this into a Duntov 30/30 wannabe! Tony

It looks like you did get a little fun in even with all of the little fires you had to put out. I had a great day myself... I woke up to the phone ringing early this morning and I was told work has been cancelled for the day. PAID! Really? In all my years working I've never got a call like that but what the hell, I'll take it. I laid around on the couch this morning for a few hrs and then made my way outside to fire up the 417-8. I got a solid ft of snow here with a little weight to it. I had my fun but lucky me, no break downs. I've about had it with playin in the snow, I'm ready to cut some frickin grass already!

All I need to do is convince the wife that the big show is being held to celebrate her birthday and I'm in!

Then your probably not dreading this Sunday are ya?? More snow-a-comin!! Mike...........

As many folks probably remember I bought this after the polar vortex, the plow blade just barely made it through that snow. So I go it hooked up and it ran for about a half of lap from the back of our house to the the end of the driveway and then stopped throwing snow. I was like WTF!, so I go back to the garage and the set screws on the gear drive at the top of the snow thrower was loose, tightened them and off I go again... I captured a couple of videos of me in action to show everyone... the driveway is after I hit it with the plow and then the snow thrower again to get it wider (swapped out dozer blade for Snow Thrower) ... This is about 10" of snow fall and 18" drifts in places... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-CLutXagMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVG1NFspC0s I still need to make the bar for the dozer blade, got the stock, just haven't had the time, been working on my 76 Corvette RJMcEachern

The ATV tires look very cool!! 416-AT8

Looking very nice Martin!

Nice pictures fellows. We have not near that much. Lot of snows, just not much accumulation. Hey Steve, that neighborhood looks like where that Movie, The Christmas Story was filmed.

Umm..no....it does matter, your machine should have 10w-30 or maybe 10w-40 motor oil. Not universal hydraulic fluid or transmission fluid. Here's where you might have a problem. If the owner before you dumped in some home-grown concoction or mix you'll need to make sure its ALL OUT before you add the correct oil. Remember to get a new filter as well. It sounds like you have a TORO dealer nearby so get it from them. Mike...........

I'm thinking you took those pics at the Nasa Fake Moon Landing site! I'll have some up after I'm done playin!

Thank you for the link. This sounds like my issue. I will try this and follow up if it doesn't work.

We are pushing 5' now this winter...more snow Saturday and nowhere to push it. The last 2 times, I have plowed the snow to one side and then got out the snow blower to blow it over the existing snow. UNCLE... ...we need a thaw!!! Here are some pictures... The picnic table seats are like 17" off the ground... check the mound across the street...probably 7' 4' plowed and blown...plowed bank is about even with the top of the bed of that pick up... End of the drive way is a good 4' and no room left... The stars this year...the techy has been great...

Hello Gazza, it's Charlie from Facebook, glad you finally made it onto RedSquare. I told you this lot where a jolly good bunch! Welcome and have fun!

I don't use washers I use a clamp collar that way I have infinate adjustment and it can never fall off http://www.fastenal.com/web/products/details/34269?searchMode=productSearch&zipcode=&filterByStore=&filterByVendingMachine=

Agreed! Assuming the K341 is running then I think you did OK at the least. In our sad USA economy today, $330 will not buy much of anything anymore. So to get a good running K341 Wheel Horse for $300, to me is money well spent.

Remember the C165 with the Kohler K341was the pinnacle of the WH line before Toro and most think the best tractors WH ever made. They are very hard to come by. Is this an 81,82 or 83? Welcome to the Black Hood Clan!

That's what I get for using the voice recognition on my phone when replying to these posts!!!!!!!! Maybe what I meant to say was - to be sympathetic to my tranny, I use synthetic oil...

Looks like a good time! I like seeing round hoods working! I wish I would get some snow to play in here in tn!

The tractor is starting to come together now. I had to build a few items that weren't in the kit like a taillight, lift valve, lift cylinder and neutral pedal. Oh, and a fuel filter, too. This is it on the tip of a toothpick. Detailing the battery always adds some extra visual interest. That's the kind of thing that helps make a model look real. I took a little liberty with the transaxle and painted it aluminum. I thought that would also give some visual interest - sort of an eye catcher - but I'm not really happy with it. Before everything is done it will end up being red! Now, this next part was fun to do. Wheel covers are an essential part of an Electro and I had an idea to make them out of a soft drink lid using a hollow punch. It worked like a charm! The horse decals didn't want to snug down on the shiny Alclad painted finish and a couple of them had to be redone but in the end they came out okay. After a little bit of paint, she was up on all fours and ready for some test fitting and even some assembly. I had already painted the fender unit but during test fit I realized that it needed a cutout for the hydraulic hoses. Now it's waiting to get repainted. The weather the last few days has been very rainy and I don't want to paint the "shiny bits" until the humidity goes down. That really affects the finish. In the meantime, it's starting to sprout wires and hoses and this is how it sits for the time being. Hope to make more progress soon but right now I need to check a weather forecast!

Hey Steve, Most Track sets are readily available, usually as opened sets. Some rare unopened are still around. Most sizzler and fat track sets are not really very valuable. And most are missing the cars. Even a lot of the Sizzlers that survived have paint issues from the fumes emanating from those little Sizzler batteries. As for the regular HW Track sets, one of the rarest is the Great Getaway that I refered to earlier. Mainly because it has the Paddy wagon with the different roof than what came on the regular Paddy Wagons. In the end, they are still,as they were then..lots of fun.

One other note that I forgot to add- Not all Seniors used the Model A rearend either. They also used Ford V-8 rearends. Snyders is a great source for "A" parts also I have used Joblot Automotive out of NY when Snyders doesn't have what I need. There are NO whimpy tractors in MR Whlpnys barn- they all are able to be used as intended. I have plenty of other workers here -no need to sell the Rs-83 to buy one as money isn't an obect. They were built to be used and so be it - that makes owning them fun.

Too much like work, lazy installer there...that's all. OOPS...did I say that out LOUD?

If you're willing to pay, you can have any part made. I'll pay to stay on mine forever! It's not all about the money. It's about the love for the machine.

'Ow do!, Gazza. Welcome!

One thing is for sure. If you replace enough parts you are bound to stumble across the bad one.

Excellent...glad that worked for you.

i went searching and think i found the listing for this tractor. I'm sorry but i don't think the description on the listing was deceiving at all. it wasn't very thorough..... Wheel Horse C 165 lawnmower comes with snow blade and front and back wheel weights. Mower does run . It has a Kohler engine . I will help load on your truck or trailer or could deliver for a fee . it can be picked up in PLYMOUTH INDIANA 46563 CASH ON PICK UP ! and they did give you additional info about the engine..... i would not have just bought it for that price without looking at it first or at least getting some opinions on here first. that price is way more than i would have paid, but its not really out of line for what i see tractors go for on that site. as far as condition goes, its not in the best condition, but I've bought worse ( but also for less money). most of the rust is surface from what i see, the left cover is pretty bad and probably needs to be replaced, but the condition overall is fairly typical of tractors that age. same with parts missing. these machines have been around a few years now and its getting harder to find good examples on the lower end....... this forum and its members are here for help and advice, just need to ask..... i think the whole deal should have been handled differently from your end, you did go in blindly on a tractor that the owner was not really telling you anything untrue...... heres how you need to handle it from here on out......... forget about what you paid for it, its over and done with. fix the tractors problems and enjoy it. you have a capable tractor there once running right..... or, restore it to its former glory and show it off as one of your collection. but, don't forget to ask questions and opinions, thats what we are here for......

Today made a top hitch bracket thingie for the larger cart. PO had taken it off and added a 'redneck' drawbar extension that sat inside the chassis rail. Can only imagine that it was to allow a tighter turning circle but as it pivoted inside the frame it had rather distorted the sides of the frame which straightened up in the press. Don't have the dimensions for the original so worked based on what looked aesthetically ok. It's a Hilmor type but not make Richard. I have a good one of this type of bender that I use for copper plumbing work but with this project in mind I picked up the one above for a few quid at Netley Marsh as I didn't want to risk trashing the good one by using steel pipe in it. The tube will (hopefully) form the inner edge as you'll see in a moment. Here's the tube in place and a little sketch of how I'm hoping to do it Ian. I've been itching to weld the tube to the tub but know that I really need to do a test piece first and probably some practice pieces as well before doing anything to the tub. I've got to go metal shopping before this though as I don't have any more 20mm tube or rod the right size. I may buy some square bar as well as the rod as it would make welding easier though would require grinding the curved profile. Hope this makes sense, havent tried any of this before but the idea seems good and it will all be out of sight under the lip of the tub. Andy

If I'm not mistaken the military MTBR (Mean time between rebuilds) for the K singles was 2000 hours. This goes back several decades. But, there is no reason a K series with regular maintenance that is ran within its HP limitations shouldn't last at least 2000 hours. As noted there are a lot of variables. The longest hours are totally unknown to me, as most of the tractors that used the singles didn't have hour meters, and on a lot of the twin cylinder IHC Cub Cadets I repaired the clock-hand style hour meters quit working long before the KT twins did. On the K181 my father in law used, I estimated he used it about 50 hours a season for 40 years, making 2000 hours when it blew. -Mark-

Ok, just got the pics of the new wheel-a-matic decal from Terry today - Can't wait to put it together ... Sarge