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Actually, I was on my way home from TN, passing very near to a breeder friend of ours who just happens to have a litter of 14. Since I haven't had a puppy-breath fix in a while, Alicia and I decided to stop in for a fix and a visit as they are just off of Rt 81 along our way. While heading to their house, I pass this place with a gaggle of WH's sitting by the garage. Figured if there were that many, they had to be a member here! Oh, and the closest the Member Map shows is Torino, but he's a bit north of Pilot, VA. And the curly tailed fellow is looking pretty good these days too!

You can always put them on if you are not getting the traction you want. I think the trick is to not spin the tires with the chains on...that's when you scratch things up. Chains really make a difference though. You just have to experiment and see what works for you...dry snows are a different animal then wet and freezing snow. Here is hoping you get enough snow to get your horse out and play in it...nothing like moving snow on a cold winter's night.

A short video of my "new" 416 Kohler Magnum. My two year old calls it the "big" tractor. I guess compared to the 312 it is big.

The 1st year I plowed with my Wheel Horse I had chains only. It did a pretty good job, but lost traction when I tried to move piles from previous snows. Once I added weight to the tires, it was unstoppable!

I only have one stacked my 552 it came to me this way and I like it, this is my plow tractor so I don't have to worry about trees. Love the sound of the flapper when it's idled down sounds like my ol Farmall.

Hello all, The slightly bigger/better one is here now, currently as a patio heater, but will be installed into the shed ASAP, Now for the good bits, PICTURES!

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I am a new Wheel Horse owner that just installed a plow and wheel weights but have tire chains that I left sitting in the box. I keep reading that chains are a bad thing if the road surface is clear. With that in mind I am looking for information and about the experiences other plow users do with their Horse. With wheel weights is traction that improved? My driveway is in town and is rather small but paved and level. The tractor is a 312-8, the blade a Toro 4' angling. Thank you for your input, I will pay heed to your suggestions.

Wow, wow, wow.... is all I can say after my day today.. Here was the mission.. Set out to locate a Toro/Wheel Horse Service Center that truly services the product. My intent was to "hopefully" locate a NOS electric cab heater from a Toro ground master 200 series. Some models were diesels back then and some were gas, air cooled. The cabs had a heater option, electric, or coolant (heater core) type. Here is what I got: I have "never" even heard of something like that for a Toro You have an MTD tractor, it is garbage, you need to be looking at a Simplicity Toro/Wheel Horse went out of business years ago, I hope you have stock piled all wear items because you will not find them and if you do, they are going to be expensive I've been in this business for nearly 40 years, I have traveled Ohio, PA, KY, IN, and MI. Wheel Horse garden tractors have only a limited following and they will never last like a Simplicity. I have a warehouse full of Simplicity and Jacobson parts, would you like to discuss a trade? Your tractor is actually not a tractor at all, but an MTD, mower that will only last about 3 years at best. Once it breaks down, remember what I told you, then come back and see me... Where do I go from here? I know we own a GT that has/had limited servicing and the best information, lies in RS.... But I also would like to believe that some of the servicing centers have an "old timer" that knows/understands these tractors. Was definitely not the case today.. Not 1 Toro/Wheel Horse service center made any attempt to address my questions. < I had mentioned to the service technician my questions was probably like "p%^^&^%" in the wind. I even mentioned this before my question. But the customer service I received was belittling and down right appalling. One center even tried to sell me the Simplicity GT sitting on the show room floor in order to address my question. As he put it, "you may as well purchase this Simplicity, that I have over here, and know I will be able to service it for the next 40 years:.. At this point, I really became discouraged and very frustrated. So, guess what I did.... I headed to a "Green" dealership. Before I even asked the questions, I informed them that I had a "red" GT/Toro Wheel Horse. I explained what I was trying to do and I even showed them a photo of the cab that I wanted to mount the heater inside...Guess what their response was... "If you find a cross-reference part number from a 200, 300, or 400 series garden tractor of that year, we may be able to locate an electric heater you might be able to mount in your cab....It's a long shot, but JD may have something lying around in a warehouse that would work for you"... What do you say when you receive customer service like this from a service center that does not even service Toro/ Wheel Horse tractors. Here is the kicker.... They offered me a substantial trade in, not for a green tractor, but for a red tractor. MF GC 2600 with only 53hrs. on it. Had a FEL.. It was a 2012 model and had the diesel.... My out of pocket was slightly over $4k. I looked at the sales person and asked why such a deal on a 2012 that is basically new? More important, why was he pushing a MF vs. JD? His response, "I know someone that is looking for a set-up like you have, and I can make a great deal on the MF". I asked him if he intended on trying to service the Wheel Horse, his reply, "I am sure it would be difficult, but we want to make sure our customers are taken care of". < Customer service 101 right there folks.... What is my point.... Can someone point me to a Toro/ Wheel Horse, or General Garden Tractor repair center, that does not mind going above and beyond, even though the odds may be stacked against them? Again, I am in Cleveland, don't mind a 45 minute drive, if the customer service resembles that of the JD center.....

HI HO HI HO off to the hospital I go ... again, Comon Man !!!!! hopefully for the last freakin time. Thanks to my big Sis & wife for hauling my fat azz to York hospital in the morn. Got the faith in Dr Quan that he has his A game tomorrow. Lets get this thing DONE !!!!!!!! chasm

I have a C160 hydro with hydraulic lift and electric clutch for mowing and I use the Charger 12 hydro for snow plowing. I have a Ford 9N for all the other plowing and heavy stuff.

for me I like my 1067

plowing snow 1985 314-8 mowing 1993 314-8 snow throwing 1979 C141 automatic tilling 1974 C-160 8 speed

Thanks for the responses guys! Now all I need is SNOW!

Got a call from a buddy and fellow Red Square member a couple weeks back. He and his family were moving and he has less place space then he had. While he took the majority of his tractors and parts,there was one project tractor and some parts that he didn't have room for. David,wanted to know if i wanted the old Commando 6 and some B80 parts. I didn't waste time getting over to pick up the tractor and parts. He said he had put a little gas in the transplanted in Briggs engine in the Commando once or twice a year and it always starts in 3 or 4 pulls. we loaded it up and when i got it home i put a little gas in it and it started in about 3 pulls ! So i took it for a test drive. It runs and drives great. I did have to swap the front wheels out because it had tiller or trailer style wheels with no bearing in them. ( The same wheels that i sent to David on another Wheel Horse earlier in the summer lol.) Thanks again David.

Feel totally stupid kept looking at the belt routing and doing it wrong again and again. 65 inch belt works.

If it wasn't for this website, I would own a Husquvarna . Thanks to the support of members here, I have 6 Wheel Horses and having a blast with the whole thing. I am lucky There are also 2 Toro/ WH dealers close by. One is only 3 miles from my house. The WH dealer that is further away knows the tractors inside and out. Both dealers have been very helpful. They still talk about how well built Wheel Horse tractors are compared to the newer Toro big box store type brands. I think most people don't know or care for that matter how poorly the majority of todays tractors are constructed. My neighbors liked me when I cleaned out some 15" of snow from their driveways last year. With a 38 year old garden tractor!

the "green" dealers are more into tractors then the other dealers that's for sure. my family owns a green dealership, when they caught me looking at 100 series tractors they told me to go find an old wheelshorse or case (if i couldn't find a old green one first. lol), "you'll be alot happier, we don't even stock the new100 series". i think it comes down to the people who work there and what they are into. my step grand dad has a warehouse full of restored deere's, right next to another one full of farmalls. these guys just plain enjoy tractors.

The manual says the "shipping weight" is 430 lbs. Mine is my favorite, go to horse, and you are right about the turning radius being excellent.

Are you talking about a 2 stage blower? If so, I was thinking the same thing as I just replaced those little balls with bushings in them, which cost $18 each from PartsTree. I could have picked up some real ball bearing 4 hole flange mounted type for the price of one of those bushing type.

Mowing -12 auto with 42" deck Dirt/snow moving- c-125 auto Small WH trailer/general use- c-81 8spd Big trailer/ big stuff dragging- 310-8 Discing/cultivating- b-80 8 spd

That's one great looking combination, now all you need is snow!

Though it will not count in the standings...I am going to pick Ohio St. to win the BG10 Championship game.

I like the flappers too but one consideration you need to think about is will you be mowing around trees.

Plowing snow and mowing C-160 or C-145 both hydros with hyd. lift. Pulling a wagon or sweeper, lil roundhood like my 704. Garden plowing my Power King 2414 but I'm fitting my 73 12 8 spd to pull a plow in the spring!

For the majority of my mowing I prefer using the 417-A with a 48" SD For cutting on steeper, more rough cut, sometimes off camber mowing I use the 416-8 with a 42" SD For pulling a big trailer around I like the 414-8 For tilling I rock the 312-8 that I bought new in 1991 (I've gained alot of wisdom over the years on the seat of that tractor)

We actually called them taps, when I was in jr high we would wear them just to make noise. My grandfather was a very outgoing person. he always wore taps on his shoes. He could tap dance, and sometimes when we were little he would just break out and do a little dance. Not like Fred Astaire, more like WC fields. Yeah, apair of wing tip shoes with taps, and levis so tight you couldn't sit down and you were just too cool

I just keep thinking of other stories as I read all the posts. I have a cousin that is 3-4 yrs older than me. He worked on a horseradish farm when he was in high school. The high school and jr high were right next to one another, and he had a car. He got me a job on the farm when I was 13 yo making 1.00 an hr. Man I was the richest kid around, working about 10 to 20 hrs a week .I had a Cushman scooter my dad had bought me, so I was stylin. In the hot summer I remember hoeing the bean field. Those rows were so long and I was so small I couldn't see the end. But the job I hated most of all was pulling corn. We would get out there about daylight and the corn would be covered with dew. In the first few minutes you would be soaking wet. Someone would drive the tractor pulling a wagon and you would only pick for a couple hrs. After that you would be done for the day, except for a few of the older guys who would bag it and take it to market. So you would get up before daylight, work a couple hrs, get soaking wet, then go home. I remember that farmer to this day, I still drive past whats left of his farm. Where I hoed beans is a subdivision now. And another part is a golf course. The old homestead is still there with the sheds and farm equipt.I always thought if I ever see someone out there I will stop and see if it's still in the family. I remember him having a couple boy's a few years younger than me. He was the nicest farmer I ever worked for and paid the most. He paid 1.00 most of the others paid .75 an hr. And he was just a quiet hard working guy .I never heard him raise his voice to anyone. And about that Cushman, man I had a lot of fun with that. It had a briggs 8 hp engine .It had a kick starter that was under the gas tank, the tank was like a motorcycle tank. You didn't straddle it to start it, like I said the kick starter was out in front of the motor, so you stood on the ground and stomped on the pedal. Sometimes that sucker would kick you back and hurt like hell. Beleive me they were hard to start, especially if you only weighed about 80 lbs. I'm sorry about hijacking the thread, but these memories keep on coming.

DA BEARS!!!!!!!!! Up 20-10 in the 4th to the Queenies and they blow it!!! Dougie Buffone is going ballistic!

WOW! Fast like a bunny you are... nice lookin' little heater you've made there.

I put this thing on mine. It's got a ball, hitch pin, and hooks for a strap or chain.

I have ran into some of these Moron dealerships also, seems like more and more of them are becoming this way. For the life of me I can not figure out in todays tough economy why they would act this way. Seems to me that making a sale and satisfying a customer would bring them back for more sales. When we were a dealer years ago I remember my Dad and Granddad bending over back wards to make sure the customer was satisfied. After we closed the dealership we still had some customers come back for parts and service. With the net providing even more competition it's got to be tough. That's why forums such as this become more valuable than it really appears. If people are going to continue to use,restore Wheel Horse's. Parts along with knowledge will start to become harder to find. Red Square is not just a forum it's a very valuable to tool to those who work, restore and just plain mess around with Wheel Horse. To ever loose this forum would be a handicap to all who use it not just for socializing and entertainment but to those who seek answers.

Scratch that last one... I had forgot about Wisconsin losing.

Steve...Math is a little off... But the order is correct.. John/Brryl should have 78 wins 18 losses Rob/RMCIII should have 76 wins 20 losses Then everything else looks correct from there....... Nice job John...Bowl Game Time.....

Yes I forgot to say how much I enjoyed this thread too guys, You all were a bunch of fun and the ribbing was cool too. Thanks to all of you for making this a fun and successful thread. Wow. 414 posts and all in good spirit. Special thanks to my buddy Stevillinisaurus for all your hard work.

Makes you wonder how many of these places are hidden all over the U.S.A both completly wrecked and fallen down and it this sort of shape. I saw a post asking what the U.S.A was like in the 50's.... well i wasn't born till '71 but all I can imagine is that it was 1000% better than what we have now. Deer Camps, a Chevy, Ford or Dodge in the driveway, not worrying about getting shot, blown up or otherwise by some jealous/pyscho anti Ameircan type.... post war prosperity and no P.C. B^&*(%%^%IT!!! yep I would take living less but living in the 50's versus living to 100 now with the medical advancements. Theres my little rant... but thats what thinking about this camp and seeing that 15 + people where together in the camp on Thanksgiving day 1965 made me feel. Tony

yes I have had good luck with them . all my show tractors were painted with those guns and I use the touch up gun with the 1mm tip for spraying color both urethane or base coat clear coat finishes

the tip nozzle size on the typical detail gun is usually under 1mm. a small tip will not allow sufficient atomization of thicker enamels and will require over thinning of the enamel paint with reducer. over dilution of enamel causes low gloss. a 1.2 to 1.4mm tip will be your best bet.

I have one: Mine began as a 1968 Charger 9. I built it about 8 years ago here in my own shop and didn't have access to fancy machinery, so everything was done with my hand grinder, sawzall, Dremel, hand drill, Miller 135 welder, etc. Unfortunately I did not document the build, but I do remember some of it. I removed all of the original front axle brackets and welded a piece of channel iron under the frame rails. I used a modified late 60's (iron) mower deck spindle assembly to mount the wheels to the tractor. All sprockets, chain, (#40 single-row) 3/4" flange mount bearing and upper steering shaft with u-joint came from various eBay sellers. To "slow down" the steering, I also built & installed a reduction (cluster) sprocket midway between the steering shaft and the front end. Using roller chain / sprockets allows maximum rotation - which in my case is infinite because I never got around to installing steering stops.

Motion Industries or NAPA has the seals...for your # 5084 transmission. You have to get the trans gasket from TORO. Axle seals...WH # 100863...cross over to SKF # 9815...need 1 for each axle Brake shaft and input shaft...WH # 100441...cross over to SKF # 7410...need 1 for each shaft Gasket for trans halves...WH # 3912...available from TORO...need 1 You are more the welcome for the help...very glad to help.

Hey Matt,that's a neat story.My father,who was on here,passed away last year and all of his stuff was left in the shed just as he had left it.All his plans,problems,ideas all went with him.He passed suddenly so i didnt get a chance to go over what all he wanted to do with it all.I know some things but guessing on the rest.He had given me a 66 buick skylark(almost the same as my first car) suprised me with it for my 45th birthday.I have been collecting parts for it for the past two years and finally started on it a couple weeks ago.It turns out it needed too much work and the parts are just not available.There is no way he could have known as it was very heavily coated with bondo and what was under it had rot away.Looked good but was hiding a lot of trouble.I didnt want to do it but the car has to go and I was fortunate enough that I have some of his tractors now to work on.So like you,I am going to put more love than money into them and try and get them back into shape again.Hope to get started here real soon.Keep em going! Take care,Richie

I would love to know how they created the “scientifically rusted†environment and how many bolts each mixture was applied to. Interesting no one tried the same test on rolls pins stuck in 40 year old steering wheels. Also interesting to see if a "witches brew" of acetone, pb blaster, ATF and liquid wrench wouldn't be a miracle cure. Heck, throw some Marvel Mystery Oil in there too.