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Back in our motel room resting up for the trip home. Wanted to get a few pictures posted before nap time. Having sold my 16 Auto at the show I found this 93 520-H with hydraulic Lift and steering reduction. I love it already. Needs some cosmetic work but runs great and does not smoke. Eldon and Ken checked it out for me and gave it a thumbs up. Thanks Guys Eldon made me a great deal on a 42" rear discharge deck so I am anxious to get it home and mow some grass. Here is a picture of TT helping me load and tie it down properly.

Karl, It was one terrific surprise to see Sparky (who said he wasn't going to be there), then to have the guy next to him turn to face me and to see that it was you. I thought that I was hallucinating from the heat, but no, it was you. You are right when you say that RedSquare is a family. A bunch of us were talking later on saying that coming to the show each year is more like a family reunion than a tractor meet. I really enjoyed meeting your daughters as well, and was there when Glen was giving them the "lesson" on marketing. Glad too that you were able to visit our campsite as well. This is not the official picture, but here is one taken by Jo Marian with my camera.

Here are a few photos to let you know what I saw Saturday about 7:30.... Garbage Collection....... End of show deals going on.....

Behold the magnificent Pond candy harvested from the 2013 WHCC show, Arendtsville Pa.

I will get my pictures (all 4 or so of them) uploaded probably tomorrow, but I wanted to take a minute to say THANK YOU to the members who were at the show. You all were so warm and welcoming to me and my girls, we are so fortunate to be associated with such wonderful people. I met so many of you today, and am completely humbled by the community that RedSquare has created, and I am so happy to be a part of it. It was so awesome to shake hands with you and I truly wish that the day would have been longer (and the sun a little less intense) to have spent more time with you all. Late last week, I made a decision that we would come to the show on Saturday and told very few of the plans. I was dropping little hints during the week of the intentions and had a wonderful surprise on Friday when Mike (Sparky) decided to come with me to the show. It's always great to spend time with Mike and today was no exception. I didn't get to see a lot of the tractors at the show, and honestly it wasn't my intention to do that. My full intention was to meet as many of my friends here as I possibly could, and thank you for being there, your support of the forum and continued support for me as I continue to recover. I will cherish this day for quite some time, not only meeting all of you, but being part of a RedSquare group picture (can't wait to see it) and watching my girls sell some parts for Glen Pettit (that was SO cool Glen, and they had the time of their life. Thank you for trusting them it meant a lot to them and to me!) Hopefully I'll get the pictures from my phone tomorrow, but I wanted to say how happy today was for me, I am so fortunate to be associated with such a great place!

This was the first time staying for the whole weekend. What a great time! I'd like to thank Brian and Jo for their hospitality charcoal, fluid and grill, Bob for his insight, donuts and Mrs. Maynard for the the wonderful chocolate chip bars.Terry ,Lola and Buddy for the mugs and decals, Wild Bill for the campfire conversation, Zeek for the tires, Ken B. for the weights,Jay for helping me load that heavy Eaton. Bearpath for the nice deal on the jenny, Brrly for the harassment, Craig for the company and mayhem, Karl for making the site what it is and of course Steve for being Steve!

I would like to say a big THANK YOU to all who participated ! Karl thanks again for the Red Square hat ......... yes I got sun burned from Fridays parade ! I do wish we could have spent more time to finally get acquainted Stories from this show will never end, like the 93 year old man who came from Bakersfield, California to having two sets of families that had four generations attend the show ...... one of the families all rode on a single tractor with trailer unit in the parade ! The man from Bakersfield was as excited as a kid at Christmas time being at the show. I would also like to thank John from up in NW Ohio for bringing Carl the Wheel Horse mechanic from Jones Wheel Horse ...... if I don't know the answer about a Wheel Horse Carl does ! I did enjoy the Red Square camp fire and taking till 12:00 am Friday night. AND the Red Square drag race between Steve and his Senior and me on mine ! I hope to post some pictures soon. Uh Oh yeah ...... FROM WHAT I SAW THERE WAS OVER 800 WHEEL HORSE TRACTORS AT THE 15th ANNUAL WHEEL HORSE SHOW ! Wild Bill sun burned and tired in Richmond, VA

For the Ford admirers in the house(and you know who you are)... a custom WH hauler found In attendance at the Arendtsville Pa WHCC show 2013.

I hope that everyone has been able to order the books that you want. I was fortunate to see Michael at work at the show, and he's a fantastic man. I think that he was a little surprised when I told him that "someone had sent me a book, but I wanted it signed" and I will cherish his reaction for a lifetime. Michael, it was a privilege and honor to finally meet you! For those who were at the show, you who also had the privilege of meeting Michael and his beautiful wife you know what I am saying. I enjoyed speaking with both of them, and I can certainly see why Cecil loved him so much. Michael is proud of all of his books, all 3 editions, and I think this one is special to him and it should be to you too. The book is on-sale now. I have seen over the years, people kicking themselves for not getting the book while they can. Well gang, this is your chance. Don't wait for another edition, because it isn't happening. This is the Final Edition of this story. While the story of Cecil Pond is completed, the legacy lives on and hopefully will for a long time. We are fortunate to have this story, and thankful that Michael put his friendship with Cecil on paper and shared it with the rest of us. You MUST have this book, it is an important part of Wheel Horse legacy because after all it is "Straight From the Horse's Mouth". Order today!

Early RJ '58 and a matching tub cart... and two copies of Mr Martino's latest releases chock full of Wheelhorse gold.... and a funny new hat.

Looking at some of the PA show pics today I got in the mood to open the garage door & work on Horse's again. Since moving into the new place my garage is about half the size of my old "shop". Parts are stashed floor to ceiling in boxes making it more of a choir sometimes to find something rather than a fun thing to do...that is working on tractors. So I've been out of the Wheel Horse game for awhile while we have been settling into the new place, working on landscaping, a privacy fence & flower beds for the wife. Hopefully my wife will keep her promise & I'll have a new shop out back by next year. So awhile back I picked up a nice Ark 550 FEL for my D-250. It was missing some misc. pieces & I just needed time & ambition to get everything together then bolted up on the D. I still need to get a counter weight & wheel weights mounted up, but I managed to get out & move a few buckets of stone from the pile on the drive to our growing rock bed going around the house. I noticed the loader is a lot easier than a shovel too. Plans are to move it to this nice solid D-160 in the future. The D-250's are solid machine, but parts are not exactly easy to find...so I'd rather put the wear & tear of a loader on the D-160 where parts will be some what easier to find.

Just a few. Me being the Banana Head that I am I forgot my phone charger and my trucks outlet only charges with the engine running so battery life was like Apollo 13 on re-entry: Family portrait the day before lift off View from the site look down "RS Road" Kate (Tractorchick's) spot Got decks? Lining up for parade Wild Bill workin the crowd Last but not least my 2 favorites:

I got a T-Shirt, 3 copies of Lawn and Garden Magazine (Thank You Kate), A personalized mug (Thank you VinylGuy), 2 shirts (WHCC 2013), my book signed (Thank you Michael Martino). My girls got 2 WH Flags (Thank You Glen), and we all got great memories of a great show and even better people!

I want to thank everyone for the overwhelming amount of compliments on my final edition. It was a real thrill to see the faces of everyone when I handed them their books at the show. It was truly a huge project that consumed my life, but was a labor of love and strong desire to pay homage to Cecil Pond. Many people have asked me how many were printed. Here are the production numbers for the three editions. First Edition: 4000 Second Edition: 4500 Final Edition: 2100 The Final Edition is limited due to the high production costs that went in to making it a high quality lasting tribute to Elmer and Cecil. As I mentioned, I wanted to keep the cost reasonable with the highest quality possible. I don't want to see people selling them at ridiculous prices on Ebay so that was another reason for the lower production number. The books are being purchased faster than you can imagine and I strongly encourage everyone to get a it now. Although not intended to be a collectable, the first two editions are in such demand, image how desirable this Final Edition will be with a smaller production total and having exposure on Red Square, The Wheel Horse Collector's Club site, as well as a beautiful article in Lawn and Garden Tractor Collector Magazine. I signed every book even if you purchased it on line, however, I did write personal messages in hundreds of books at the show. Thanks to everyone for being part of the best hobby on earth. I know Cecil and Elmer Pond are looking down upon us with amazement and appreciation. I just hope I made them proud. Michael

sorry guys but i'm not good with names or who owns what but here's some pics i got Saturday.

Vin, That was one beautiful piece of work. Here is my picture of you, early Friday morning (about 6:04 a.m.) with the machine.

Well here it was all finished up for the WH Show. Thanks to everyone who stopped by!

Thanks to Craig Alan (mayhem13) for mentioning my truck in this post ....and a big thank you to the WHCC for letting me display the truck and tractors in this years show !!! My son Billy and I had a great time and looking towards next year show. Some info on the truck.... The truck is a 1956 Ford F-100 clone... originally was a 1956 F-250 with a 8 foot step side bed.... Truck has a factory four speed truck transmission powered by a 292 Y block v8 The truck still retains its F-250 spring packs and transmission mounted parking brake. The PO but the flatbed on years ago....I bought the truck as seen in the above pictures.... with the exception of the wheels and tires and rear view mirrors. I also of course added the wheel horse tractors and signage. Thanks to all here for the nice compliments on the truck...BTW in the first picture you can see me and TT catching up after a long six year absence of not seeing each other ! Thanks again Bob & Billy Taylor

Great pics. Its real nice in the morning right before all the rukus starts. Mike............

Great video's Craig! I missed that part this year but I think I still have grit in my teeth from last years cruise nite!! Mike,.....

Too bad there wasn't a camera in my "pits" 6 laps in I had to adjust my 704" carb mixture. Lost about another 6

Well .. i have looked at nearly all the pictures of the show and there are some really fantastic pictures and some fantastic machinesthat i have seen and i am so disapointed that i didnt get to go to the show , but by far the best pictures that i have seen are the above 3 pictures especially the last two . To see the happy face of your daughter Karl in the last pic brought a tear to my eye as it reminded me of some of the times i had with my own kids. and it is simple pics like this that really make it for me. Amazing picture I hope they made lots of bucks for Glen and they looked like they had so much fun playing shopkeeper. pure magic

Taking home some new stuff from the big show, I met lots of nice people, can't wait to get home to post some pics and try out the implements I scored. Many thanks to all who came to the big show and helped make it a great weekend for lots of people. We're already looking forward to next year.

I bet that T Shirt set off a lot of conversation at the show Craig! And I like my Tecumsehs!

well there is rumour that a few lymies are planning an invasion next year .

Just a few more I snapped. .... And my favorite.....it was great talking to you Craig.......

Just a few other observations on the Cub vs Deere as I look at my tractors - IHCC models from 1975 and earlier: PTO - Wheelhorse is much easier and simpler to service/rebuild Subframes - Wheelhorse doesn't have them. You need specific subframes for the IHCC's depending on the year make of the tractor and deck type. IHCC's had wide and narrow frame tractors and this subframe would be different between them. So I've got several deck sizes and both WF and NF tractors and front blades - so I have to have various subframes to keep around to attach these implements. Wheelhorse - no subframes, the attachment mechanism is integral to the implement, i.e. deck and front blade. I've bought decks from 1975 to 2005, front blades, grader blades, etc. They all fit every Wheelhorse regardless of year from at least 1975 to the end of production. The only advantage I can see of the subframes for Cub is that they divide the weight of the attachment - so a 48 inch Cub deck is easier for me to handle as it is two assemblies, where the Wheelhorse is one assembly. Once the subframe is in place, IMHO, the Cub deck is easier to attach. Quality of cut - Without a doubt, the ground supported Wheelhorse decks are better. My Cubs give a great cut, but my yard is lumpy and has some slope. The Cub deck hangs from the tractor and can't react to the ground profile and sometimes will not give a good cut from side to side or will scalp rather than ride over the hump like a Wheelhorse deck. This ground support is what made Simplicity known for their quality of cut and really the only difference between the WH and Simplicity is the Simplicity has rollers vs two wheels across the back of the deck - so with the Simplicity deck, you get striping out of the box. Clevis/Sleeve hitch: I can't say one is stronger than the other, but I think the IHCC gives greater ground clearance when a moldboard plow is lifted. Implement lift: Wheelhorse has a lift that uses a chain between the lift rocker arm and the deck or a cable between the rear sleeve/clevis hitch. On the Cub, this is a solid linkage. Cubs have a button on the lift handle to allow for floating, but it is a pain to use IMHO. Not sure how the hydro's float an implement - yet. Belt vs shaft - even the IHCC's have the famed "shaft" drive and we hear all kinds of "won't slip like a belt" all day long, fact is, I have never known the belt on my Wheehorse slipping - ever! At each end of the mighty IHCC's drive shaft is a small roll pin. If they shear, they can be a pain to fix - but not like working on a modern day car. Without a doubt, servicing or replacing a belt on the Wheelhorse is many times simpler than a drive shaft on a Cub. Gear drive tranny - IHCC's gear drive tranny might be stronger, but you'd never be able to find out as in normal (and most extreme) cases, the wheels would spin on either a Cub or Wheelhorse before you'd do any damage. Engine removal - very easy with both. Not required on the Wheelhorse to replace the clutch or replace the drive belt. On a Cub, you have to at least (IMHO) unbolt the engine and move it forward to get the clutch out for repair. I'll think of more later as I've been up to my ears in IHCC's over the past few years. I enjoy ALL of these old iron tractors and wouldn't discourage anyone from owning or not owning either Wheelhorse or IHCC's based on my comments. Sometimes though, various brands owners/loyalists can get wrapped around the axle on their tractor brand/model and assert it is the "best" or more "heavy duty" or whatever else. Doesn't really matter to me - what I enjoy is tinkering with the tractors. For my go to tractors - I want simple and heavy duty. Wheelhorse fits that bill - as do my earlier model IHCC's. But if I had to thin the herd, it's likely the Wheelhorse's would be the last to go. Thanks! Bill

Post 'em if you got 'em...if you ain't got 'em...why not?

Saw some very nice tractors and met many great people.

Here are some pictures that I took on Thursday. At my house, all loaded up and ready to head out to meet Brian & Jo Marion (buckrancher & wife) at the Apple Bin restaurant. I arrived at the Apple Bin at about 6:50 a.m. and there was already a crowd of folks there. Brian & Jo pulled in the about 7:00 a.m. with the new horse hauler. We had breakfast, then it was off to the fair grounds. I headed to the display area and met Zeek, where we set up the canopies. Brian & Jo headed to the wooded area to stake our claim for camping, and I met them there to unload my gear. After everything was set up, it was time to just get some shots of others setting up for the show. Stevasaurus showed up to help us and had already worked up a sweat. Terry was already selling decals and hadn't even finished unpacking and setting up. Kids were already trying their skills on the teeter-totter. Jdog showed up with his log splitter and Zeek and Stevasaurus were there to admire it. Our 93 year old friend from California was taking in the sights and sounds in style. Then, when all of our stuff was set up, it was time for a little supper at the campsite. Pictured are Jo, Brian, Mike and Craig. That's all for Thursday. Friday and Saturday pictures will be posted tomorrow. Hope you enjoy.

One of these days they're gonna have to help Bob stand back up!

Also to the people of PA, What a beautiful state. The trip on Rt.15 is breathtaking during the early morning and near sundown.

FUN TIMES..... AWESOME PEOPLE.... THANKS CRAIG!

I bought mostly parts. Got a T-shirt, and of course the nice mug from Terry. I bought 2 copies of Wheel Horse book and I also bought 10 raffle tickets. Didn't win the tractor, but I did win another copy of "Straight From The Horse's Mouth" and a case of oil.

Thanks, Craig! Looks like a lot of fun.

From the WHCC Friday night cruise 2013...comes John and Tanner Aborgast's awesome C-195's. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=THygqx1A83M Tanners Dual ags rule! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vlhw2ll1J0

Hi Guys- you remember me- the guy trying to sell a snow blower in June! WELL-this one might be better timed. I am parting with my father's old fishing motor he bought new at Kindigs Marina in South Bend In in 1951. Lots of memories, but its just sitting not doing anybody any good. I would rather it go to a guy who likes to fish and appreciates Antique Outboards. Its a MARTIN 75 TWIST SHIFT. Low usage hours-new coils, points, condensors, water pump, lower unit seals. Runs like a top. I have not fueled it this summer to start and run, but will for serious buyer. I cleaned the entire fuel system out this winter. I re-finished it, except in places I left it alone to show its "character" These motors had features that were ahead of their time, and because they use the patented "poppet valve" system, they can troll all day and not foul up. This motor used to plane my Dads 14 ft Starcraft with me in it easily. I'm still fighting the fight for the Foster boys-so now Dads helping too! Here are some pics-I wanted to let you know its here-before I put a proper ad in classifieds-Thanks-Al

Took this lousy video too in the morning.....sorry for the bad settings...I had the resolution low from sending vids via text message....

Excellent video! The Wife done good! This video was taken around supper time when everyone was back at their campsites. I know because I was the clown fixin my brother's recoil under one of the tents in the beginning part of the video. To the guys that have never been to the BIG SHOW, each barn that you see is chock full of parts, tractors, attachments and just about everything thing Wheel Horse that you can think of for sale. (EXCEPT Seniors!)

Timely topic as I've been mowing this year with a Wheelhorse 314-8 and a gear drive IH Cub Cadet 126 Wheelhorse mph 1st = 2.0 2nd = 3.2 3rd = 5.5 Rev = 2.6 The IH Cub Cadet mph 1st = 2.3 2nd = 3.9 3rd = 6.9 Rev = 2.5 Sometimes 2nd gear on the WH seems a tad slow. 2nd on the CC is FAST. I get a good cut, but if the ground is lumpy, the ride is harsh. 1st gear on the CC is a bit to fast for close trimming, so I find myself riding the clutch. 1st on the WH is perfect. The next series of Cub Cadets came with a 2nd gear that was 3.5 mph. That might be the perfect gear between quality of cut and comfort of ride. So to answer the OP's question, I'd say that if you don't beat yourself and the tractor to death and the quality of cut is good, I see no harm. I see these zero turn mowers going flat out all the time. The Wheelhorse is a heavy duty mower too. Good luck, Bill

Well it looks like I will be bringing my 73 16HP Auto with deck and snow plow to the show after all. Hoping to find a nicer tractor that I can afford because I will never find the time, talent or energy to restore this one. Will have a new set of decals for it if anyone is looking for a 16 horse hydro to restore.

Here are photos of my 653. It is 100% original. All decals are present and intact even on engine. Even the carburetor looks like it has never been touched. The plow has never been mounted with the hardware still in the sealed bag. Tires still have a lot of the "knibs" on them. It has only cut grass twice in its life. Cas (additional info edited in) Bought it in 2007 on eBay. It came from Columbus,Ohio.My fiercest competitor for it was Wild Bill. It was his questions to the seller and the fact that he stated who he was that really sparked my final interest in the tractor. Needless to say it did not come cheap. I seem to be the third owner. It was originally owned by an elderly gentleman in a farming comunity and it was only used by him for transportation. Its second owner had it only for a little while and used it only twice to mow an elementary school yard. I don't believe this tractor has ever stayed outside one day in its life or ever felt a drop of rain. With the exception of a bill of sale every other piece of paper that came with it in 1963 I have, down to the engine tag warning to put oil in before using. Everything feels tight like new specially the steering. It was certainly loved by its previous owners as testified by its condition. It has never been touched by paint or a wrench. It only had one diode changed at some time in the past . I can also state that it will stay that way for at least two more generations, since it will not go anywhere during that time.

Original motors in older collectable machines makes sense when your talking about value. An RJ is worth more when the original motor is in it over one with a yank start Briggs bolted to the frame (for example). The 520's in my opinion are just common easy to find newer machines and have not become collectors items, so most guys own them for utilitarian purposes (mowing, plowing, towing carts), not for any collector value. I think anything that makes the 520 do "its job better" is a great idea. Heck, I would venture to guess the value of this 520 would increase after the Honda transplant is complete. Just my opinion of course... Mike.............

Hey.. what about all the Asia Pacific members.... mmmm.... that's only one.. I think.. ;o) Cheers, Paul

Hi everyone, I have to take a moment to thank Karl Lyon who designed and helped me develop the book's store web site. His computer expertise has made it possible for everyone to access the site with ease. Karl did this for you! As a thank you, I will be sending him the one and only advance copy of my book as a thank you. I have asked him to post a review of the book including the quality and content of both the book and DVD. This way, everyone has a first hand account of what to expect in just a few more weeks. I also want to thank the Wheel Horse Collector's Club for placing the information on their web site. In addition, a special thanks to Lawn and Garden Tractor Collector Magazine for featuring a full page story about the book. Based on the hundreds of emails that I have received, the books will go quickly, so please don't delay in getting yours. I hope each of you enjoy the Final Edition, Michael Martino

When you get into Cub Cadet Versus Wheelhorse, you are talking about two of the top-brands of Garden Tractors ever.. (if you take modern MTD Cubs out of the equation..most of which are but a shadow of their former selves..) But for the "classic" years..1960's, 70's and 80's, IMO the two brands are pretty much equal in quality.. there are no specific things that makes one brand overall "better" than the other.. Its basically a "Ford vs.Chevy" thing..some people prefer one over the other, but a 1960's Mustang is the equal of a 1960's Camaro, generally speaking.. when comparing similar models and specs..same with Cub Cadet and Wheel Horse I would say.. Scot

I'm with Lane on this one. When someone states "I like Lucas" and stops talking, that is just an opinion / personal preference and without further clarification, remains just an opinion. Manufacturers love to play Jedi mind tricks on the weak minded by advertising a product with bright colors that stand out on a store shelf or hope you like the "advertising" provided by a bikini clad model on a Saturday sales commercial masquerading as a hot rod show. She does try so hard to show us how to get the best performance out of a "rear end" or correct "sagging front end parts". Doesn't she? Next up is "because my friend says he gets more runs of a transmission when he uses it". Now we are getting somewhere and at least have an argument to be made for its use. Of course the argument is based on here say, but you do have my attention. I'm still listening for a reason this is so. Could it just as easily be attributed to a metallurgy change in the diff gears, not the lube? Could it be your friend is now better at setting up the diff's than before? Or gets a better 1 - 2 shift off with out jolting the diff as hard. Too many unknown variables for me to attribute the change in performance to just on factor. If you hear a statement like "Lucas puts XYZ additive in their product which has been "race" proven to allow ABC to happen, then I ask myself "No doubt then it is a benefit to racers. Do I realize ANY benefit by using a product twice to three times the cost of a product that lasted 10 - 40 years in the original transmission I'm tearing apart?" What you have here is a niche specific benefit. Prime examples are race-proven engine oils. I don't think racers are leaving this oil in their engines for 3000+ miles and for over 6 months. Ok. Synthetics are used by UPS. Interesting. Now I put down my Sunday paper down and you have my full attention. Lower viscosity weight oils in the rear axles you say. The whole fleet you say? I'm of the opinion someone ran the numbers on this changeover and saw a benefit. A fleet manager's reputation and career depend on such accurate analysis of the facts. Even if the benefit was 0.1 MPG more per truck than without this change - with the miles UPS travels, that's a no cost, profit generating addition after several thousand miles. They are on it like a dog on a bone. But they are still going to change out the oil before it ages and has a chance to collect condensation in the axle assy. Sooooo..... I ask myself is this any benefit to me in a LGT transaxle scenario. It may make you feel good 'cause you are using the stuff the big boys use, but unfortunately you're not using the WAY the big boys use it. If you want my hard earned dollars, show me (by the numbers or example - no opinions pleeeez ) a product that can provide long term resistance against absorbing water after exposure to condensation. Add to that at least the same or better protection than the original product provided. Those are attributes I can really use - and will pay for. Something that protects infrequently used assemblies subjected to adverse exposure to changing levels of temperature and humidity. Until then, I will probably just drain out the "regular" oil at $8 quart on a regular schedule versus hope the $20 quart "race proven product" gives me some as yet unidentified or proven benefit.

Thanks for all the advice. I mowed with it on Tuesday and found if I leave the air cleaner off it runs pretty good but when pto is engaged it throws gas everywhere. I'm going to adjust the valves this weekend. My next question is this--should I just go ahead and decarbon at this point? The only issue I have with the decarbon is i think I'll have to pull the motor to reach that back head, where on a valve adjustment I would just leave it in there. Is this a correct assumption? Again thanks for the input, I hope to get it running smooth soon!