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Jimmy, great question. I think what Marv was asking is there really any reason to listen to folks who - for lack of a better way to put it - brag about using larger size wiring in order to increase the performance of starter circuits or lighting circuits. In the past #4 gauge welding cable was all the rage for starter circuits. This philosophy would be similar to walking into someone's remodeled basement and have them brag about how they plumbed their water lines in the house with 3 inch PVC instead of 3/4 inch PVC. Okayyyyyyyy. Whyyyyyy ??? Less pressure drop they say. Fills the toilet up faster. Yes, 1/2 second faster and you paid 5 times the $$ amount for the pipe as was needed - but they seem to feel good about what they did so you just snicker to yourself, drink their beer and go home. Would you rewire your house with welding cable, or put 4 inch exhaust pipe on your Honda Civic, or a 1000cfm carb on a 6 cylinder engine cause bigger is ALWAYS better? #6 AWG if fine for stock applications and #8 AWG will be fine for some smaller displacement engines. #4 AWG or larger is overkill in stock applications. There will always be a performance hit in a heavy amp draw system once all the areas that are susceptible to corrosion start to age. Folks who see a performance increase going from #6 cable to #4 cable probably saw the performance change due to going from CORRODED #6 to CLEAN #4 - nothing else. They would have seen the same performance difference going from CORRODED #6 to CLEAN #8 - but then there would not be the ooooh's and awhhh's from the folks who respond better to sexed up myths than boring old math.I will promise to spend some time in the next few weeks finishing off a corrosion and voltage drop tutorial I have been working on and get it posted up here. Now you will have to excuse me. I have to put some STP and Moroso stickers on my car to make it go faster.

Here is an idea you don't see talked about much, and im wondering it could be a factor in the selling difficulties that the OP is seeing.. I think in this hobby, there are a lot of people who want to get into the hobby so that they can restore tractors themselves.. which means for those people, the "rougher condition", less expensive tractors are the ones they want! I am in that category.. I bought a 854, a "rough runner"..I paid about $250 for it.. The same model, in better condition for $500 or $600, I would not be interested in! because I wouldn't want to pay that much, and I want to restore the tractor myself.. I am also looking for a Cub Cadet "original".. I am only looking for "rough" originals in the $250 or less range..For two reasons: 1. I cant afford much more than that right now. 2. I want to restore it myself! so I dont want a machine that doesnt need restoring.. I have a seen a bunch of very nice cubs, in better condition than I can afford, selling for $500 or more.. sure, they are probably worth it! but I dont want to spend that much..I am simply not in the market for those machines.. So that is one category of buyers..they simply dont want "good condition antique tractors"..its not what they are into.. Buyer Category 2: Someone who is just looking for "a cheap used tractor or riding mower".. They dont know, or care, about brands and the quality differences between brands, they dont care about antique..they just want something cheap that runs.. For those people, why would they buy a 40 year old Wheel Horse for $500 when they can buy a 10 year old Craftsman for $100? They are clueless about quality differences between brands, and they aren't interested in learning.. That leaves only Category 3: The people who *do* know about brand quality, want to collect good condition antique tractors, and have the money to spend on them! Do those people exist? yes, of course they do..but are they very common? probably not..We see a lot of them here on RS, but this a "specialty forum".. the amount of these "Category 3" people on this forum is *way* out of proportion to the "real world".. For any given tractor being sold on Craigslist, there might be one of those people in a 200 mile radius, while there are probably dozens, even hundreds of Category 1 or 2 buyers..who simply are not in the market for a "Category 3" tractor.. IMO, the tractor prices (in the original post in this thread) are fine! the prices seem perfectly reasonable.. the problem, IMO, might be finding that elusive "Category 3" buyer.. I think there are a lot less of them than we think there are..being on a forum like this makes us think they are more common than they are. On this forum, they are all gathered in on place, from all over the world.. in the real world, they are few and far between.. We see it all the time here: "I would love to buy that tractor! if only it wasn't so far away.." just something that came to mind..I might not be right! but its a theory anyway.. thanks, Scot

It's a little of both. If you go to the show with something specific in mind, you can look, feel, touch, and then find the best deal if there is more than one. It's always better to buy when you have choices. You don't always get the lowest price at the show, but there is nothing like shopping there. Just my 2 cents worth on why things haven't sold. Unless someone has money to burn (and how many of us do?), only necessities are being purchased by the average guy. The economy is not getting better in my opinion. Just look at the price of gas and more than that, the price of groceries. Since I retired, I have been doing more of the grocery shopping. I refuse to pay $5.00 for a loaf of bread, or $4.00 for a can of shaving cream. . The cost of healthcare is going up, and the real unemployment rate is closer to 14% than the reported 7.6%. If someone can honestly tell me that $3.50 for a gallon of gas today compared to $1.70 in 2009 is a sign of a better economy, I will eat my new linen beige RedSqaure hat. So having ranted on the economy, I will say this. Look the comments. "I am just hard pressed for cash", or "unfortunately, I don't have $400 I can spare right now", "if I could figure a way to justify a 200 mile road trip", "times are real tight with cash right now". These are all signs of the times, and I don't think it's going to get better any time soon. So don't feel insulted that you haven't gotten any offers. Just take a look around and you will see the reason why. Good luck. I hope that someone with big bucks comes your way!

Here's my homemade sod cutter. I was going to get a single bottom Brinly plow, but I really just wanted to remove the sod, so I didn't have to till the grass and roots it into the soil for our garden. It worked pretty good. Cool thing is that I don't need a 3 point hitch: https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=10201190038741917&notif_t=video_processed

I just picked up this today in a trade. I believe its a 1969. She looks ok, runs well and has a 3 point. Also has a pulley(rear pto) for the tiller. She is going to need quite a bit to make her look real good. Dash board, head lights, tail lights maybe new wheels. The tires, yup car tires, are loaded with calcium...yikes. Well here is a pic.

So I finally got my tiller, for a song and a dance. How can I tell what model it is? Sent from my 416-8 Sent from my 416-8

All of the above and... Brand new belts sometime take a little time to wear in. It's not your transmission, the belt is still grabing on the engine pulley and it's spinning the trans drive pulley which causes the grinding. Investigate why the belt is still being turned by the engine when the clutch pedal is pushed. The belt guard must be installed to support the belt around the pulley when it is loosened buy the clutch. You can try driving the tractor up to a wall or other stationary object and let the clutch out while in gear to stretch and wear in the belt a little. New belts sometimes have some stiff spots and this could be the cause of the 25% of the time grinds. PLEASE BE CAREFUL if you do this.

Or worse yet a John Deere!!! Good save.

Couldn't stand to see it become a Toyota! Thats really funny! Good save!

It's not you. 2-3 years ago I could all anything WH in a couple weeks here in NJ. The last year nothing seems to be selling. I see the same stuff on CL locally for months. Hang in there.

Before I say anything else I'd like to Thank all you veterans for our freedom!Bob,you are right on.I believe more people are focusing on necessity but mowing your yard and gardening is one of them? Lol

Same story here, I had a couple of tractors listed here and CL, not one nibble. I priced them what they were worth in the real world and was even prepared to drop the price. I think no matter how the News and are government says it's getting better economic wise, people are still very strapped for money and have to pay bills first with no extra for hobbies. I have been lucky that the last couple of years I have thinned out the herd and have been able to sell a few attachments It's just getting to tight for people around here. Also you will always have people looking for something to mow their yard with and will look at a used Wheel Horse and say "I can go to whatever Big Box Store and get a tractor with that's new with twice the Horse Power." I don't even try and talk to those people not worth the time. I just took the Horse's and put them back in the barn for spares or if worst came to worst use them for parts.

Don't feel bad, you were the 2nd person that ever came an looked at my stuff. I had it listed here and on craigs, couple nibble but that is it. IMO I have some decent stuff, and somewhat rare. I don't anymore, but would look all over on craigs for ones that I have, and only found an 854 a couple times. Once there was a ranger like mine, but was rough, looked like it sat in a swampy field for the last 30 years and still wanted alot for it. Like was said already, it doesn't cost anything to let them sit anywhere, and they don't eat or drink much, so I'll just let them sit, eventually I'll get to them. I put the mower and small tires back on, and mowed the field out back. Grass was easily over a foot, tho it took a couple passes to get it to cut it all, it did good. Just need to fix the stupid belt.

SO MOTE IT BE

Its a haul for me too. Plus I have run out of room for anything else. Really I am going to have to construct another building before I can buy another thing with wheels and tires.

So far my B.I.L. and I have kept up somehow keeping 14 acres clean. He is retired so that really helps. My F.I.L .passed May 1st and He did most of the mowing but we are keeping it clean now for the M.I.L.

I say if you are going to change the color you need to go all the way with it. I don't think much of the that two color scheme. Why not get wild with it and make it truly one of a kind. I realize this isn't a W/H or a Cub but this is a one of a kind Craftsman I got carried away with.

That is a very nice tool you have there. I read on your FB page with the video ...."yes, I do think I am clever".....I agree!

paid 200 for the tractor non running, put a new rod in it and it runns like a champ. also tractor came w/ 36" rear discharg deck. i lived next door to a "squierrel" for many years and he had some cultivaters and plow in the weeds, they looked red so i stoped. and to my surprise they said wheel horse all over them. i got the mid and rear cultivators and the mid grader plow for 50 bucks!!!! :happy-jumpeveryone: now all i need is a snow plow.... and maybe a cab for winter??? what you guys think?

Pretty cool setup..... Is that you neighbor's yard????

A clue as to the origin of the 'D' design can be found in a thread here According to Lars (Knusern) the D-250 was based on the Gutbrod 2500 You can certainly see the resemblance. Andy