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The answer to both is in the spoiler, or is the answer in the question. Perhaps there's no answer at all, but that still constitutes an answer right?

This one?

I hope you and he will join me watching the Browns play Dallas on Sunday. (We'll be rooting for the Browns) :)

Well, it could be...How many cheese heads does it take to......????

Starting back in the 50's we run a Wheel Horse dealership out of are farm. By the time I was in 3 grade I was working helping assemble the new tractors out of crate, other than get in the way of my Dad and Grandpa I manage to put the front wheels on. Then when I got older I was the guy who would take customers out and demon straight some of the attachments. So I guess you can say I have been around them my whole life. There were other tractors that came to the shop for repair. Some of the tractors were nice tractors and had some nice features but Wheel Horse was always the favorite and always the by far the easiest to work on.

My first WH was a '96 269H... which I asked my brother to do the research in getting me the best quality for the $. Himself a JD fan found the Wheel Horse/Toro was overall the best value... I couldn't afford the 520H at the time but always kept the brochure of the 1996 lineup. Well over 10 years of great service and minimal upkeep I found my '92 520H and have been hooked ever since. I found this forum and it cemented my dedication to this brand of tractors. Can't beat the reliability, resources and relatively reasonable cost to keep these fine machines going. I am not a collector but somehow I have 3, go figure. Bought and sold several 400-500 series to finally settle on the line up I have. I would have the say the people connected to this hobby is the main reason I continue to dabble and someday will expand the fleet as space is increased. Many thanks to those who have helped me over the years and Karl for keeping one of the finest forums on the internet.

My dad bought his new in 1974, C-160 Automatic. I basically grew up using that tractor, so when it came time for me to own my own home, there was one choice. I bought a new 1994 416-H. Nuff said!

Right now it is Friday, November 16 2012 at 10:42...right now the answer is 4, 857 ways. :)

That's what I am talking about!! Rah rah ree, kick em' in the knee, rah rah rass kick em' in the other knee!!

John, it is your turn to try to knock off those pesky, lucky, Banana eating, OVER RATED Wolverines. GO HAWKEYES...Don't slip on any banana peels.

What I should have done maybe was kinda did like you mentioned and made a bracket and hung the tank on the wall and pumped it in from there! Kinda lika a Gass Station then wouldnt have nuttin hangin off the back. Oh well At least Ill have extra juice on board in Case THE CITY HIRES ME for a snow disaster News at 11. :handgestures-thumbupright:

Ahhh, here you go...it's my new John Deere Green (Cee Lo) theme song.

Karl, the folks who have never experienced a catastrophic failure of a high speed assembly like a flywheel or a clutch may be of the opinion "no biggie, weld, glue or snap off the opposite fin". Those who have experienced or witnessed such failures will be understandably steadfast to the philosophy of "replaced it at all costs." There is also middle ground that has been expressed here too. Have the part taken to a machine shop, checked for cracks and have the broken fin and the opposite fin MACHINED off (not broken off) and a quick check of static or even dynamic balance and you have a useable flywheel, You will be paying out $$$ for this precision work. I agree with the replacement philosophy and the safety factor that affords you and your family. You would probably never think of pointing the outlet of your mower toward your family while your mower is running over a gravel driveway - please don't think that a flywheel exploding would be any less a danger to your family or friends. The key here is understanding. Understanding (and sometimes experience with) the forces involved in a chunk of cast iron leaving the engine area at speeds well over 100mph. Also, check out Google or YouTube for a brief introduction to the MagnaFlux process. Once you understand how a small crack in cast iron (most often undetectable by the naked human eye) can ruin your day, you will also understand what must be done. Live long and prosper.

Hi guys, Just brought home a couple of oddball tractors. First is a burns. I do not know much about this tractor, I'm thinking it was made in the early 60's and there is a tag on it that says it was made in georgia. The other tractor is a jacobsen javelin 26. This is a very neat tractor and it has a clinton b1290 in it. Here are some pictures. ~Jake

Why do you run Wheelhorse vs another old iron brand tractor? Let me give a little of background on how I swerved into the Wheelhorse tractors. I grew-up around a Sears SS 14 garden tractor. In it’s day, I think it was considered a cheaper tractor (almost like MTD is regarded today), but the machine was tough as nails, was used hard and abused by different family members over the years. When I bought my house some 17 years ago, I quickly found I needed a “riding†mower. I bought a used JD rear engine rider – which turned out to be a lemon. A buddy of mine had a Sears Custom 10XL tractor that he received as part of an estate settlement and he wanted to get rid of it, so I bought it. The tractor was not at nice as the old SS-14 I grew-up with and had a very tired – old Tecumseh engine in it, didn’t have much power and the gear drive mowing deck spindles were noisy and looked like an accident waiting to happen. I needed a “new†garden tractor. My Father in Law had a Wheelhorse 520H tractor at a camp of his and it seemed very similar to the Sears tractor in that it had a mule drive belt that went around the front axle. Though his was a hydro, I was interested in a gear drive and again, like the Sears, the Wheelhorse was a 8 speed with hi-lo range. So with the Sears tractors long gone, I decided to buy a Wheelhorse. Somewhere along the way, I got side tracked looking at a Simplicity Sovereign – but the price was much higher than the Wheelhorse. This was in 1998 and I found out that 1997 was the last year for the cast iron Kohler Magnum engine, so I started searching for a left over 1997 model – and found one. THAT’S HOW I CAME TO OWN ANOTHER WHEELHORSE TRACTOR – VS ANOTHER BRAND. So how did you swerve into Wheelhorse and why do you run them vs another old iron brand tractor? On a side note, over the past couple of years, I decided to buy a couple of other make tractors, namely an IH Cub Cadet and a Simplicity Sovereign just to see what they were all about. While these are great tractors, the Wheelhorse tractors are still my go-to tractors and I have found them to be the simplest to work-on and it just seems to me they have a gazillion attachments too. I’m especially excited about converting my two 520H tractors to Matt’s foot pedal design. IMHO, this mod transforms these fine old pieces of iron to modern tractors of today. So again – Why do you run Wheelhorse tractors vs an other old iron brand? Thanks, Bill

How do I go about determining the year of manufacture of this ST that followed me home today?

Hi all, just wanted to add my name to the list of new to me Wheel Horse owners. I've lived over at MTF for several years and have one of those green and yellow LT thingies. I've always lusted for a true GT, with the WH classics, Case, and IH Cubs high on my list. Last week my neighbor approached me with an offer to buy his '88 312-8, with 42" rear discharge deck and a single stage snow blower. For just $300 I jumped at the chance, picked it up on Tuesday and have been searching the net for info every since, which led me here. steve

Well the search is finally over for the elusive Massey Ferguson MF 14. The first picture of me, when I was 3 years old, sitting on a tractor was on a MF 14 35 years ago. Have been wanting to find a good candidate to add to the collection. Well here she is......... It needs a few little things and a definite bath. Boy I forgot how fast the Massey tractors cover some ground!

Had a guy call wed night asking if I wanted to buy a WH (yes they call me to sell stuff), he said he loaned it to his brother in law and who blew the engine, so lastnight I took the trailer on the 15 mile trip to buy the C-100 it's not great but will be a good parts doner, the deck has been upgraded with newer spindles, it has probably the nicest front tires that style I have seen, with minor weather checking, he said it was garage kept most all it's life, he got it from his neighbor that bought it new, it even came with a snowblower, but it is ruff. I just didn't want him to junk it, at least here it will save other WH's with parts from it.

Twinkies and cockroaches they say, will survive the Armageddon.

That doesn't look like a parts donor to me. Fix that baby up.

Thankfully, all the sweet little CL treats I've been scoring lately have all been red... and have a logo attached to 'em.

Strange will be when they stop. Seems I remember some picts of you plowing while standing on a mid mount grader blade, floating around here somewhere too Terry?

Strange how those things just "follow you home" isn't it?? . Looks like it will bolt onto a 854,753,etc. I have one on my 753. Haven't really used it yet, but didn't stop me from rebuilding it either. (picture before the rebuild)

Wait, Wait, Wait, talking about different ways to answer a question, how long does it take to answer the question? second, minutes, hours, days, months or not at all. Worked with a moron years ago, he never answered questions, he said he was so intelligent that every question was stupid, hes the same moron that was asked if he knew how to replaced the grinding wheel on a bench grinder, NO ANSWER, took him 2 hrs, ya really got work at it to tighten left-handed threads and still get the nut of the shaft and slip the grinding wheel off..

I am only 20 and have had my fair share of tractors. I started out with a very very nice 1995 520H which I paid A LOT for. Then I picked up a very nice 1995 416H for $380 soon after .I picked up a 1987 414-8 for $80 that sat outside for 5 years but started right up and ran fine. I then found a nice 2001 314-8. Then I sold all of them to buy a 72" Dixie Chopper. This last year between June - November. I still have the Dixie Chopper. This February I bought a nice original Cub Cadet 1000. While it was a very nice tractor, I decided it was not for me. In March I picked up a very nice Bolens Husky 1000. In May I bought a 418A which was okay but I did not like it as much as the 416H I had. In late June I ventured into New York and met Fireman (Jeff) and Ken B and did some exchanging. I bought a nice power king 1614 and Ken got a very nice all original Suburban 551. (He is still kicking himself for letting that one go!) Sometime in July, my mom wanted a tractor she that was easy for her to use. So I spent some money and got a John Deere 325 with a snow blower, mower, vacuum bagger and very nice dump cart.Then someone came on here and offered up a free GT14 from Kentucky. I had my dad ship it up from Lexington. I sold the 418A in September. Last week I did some trading and got a nice 1979 C161 from Ken which I traded a 551 Suburban and a 633 for. The GT14 will be going to a couple people in Pennsylvania. I plan on holding onto the PK 1614, the Dixie Chopper, the JD 325, and the C161. The C161, 1614 will both have plows and the JD 325 will have the snow thrower mounted for this winter. As for the comparison from wheel horses to other tractors. I feel that while some people think that wheel horses are very simple tractors, so are others. Just people do not realize it. The cub 1000 was extremely simple also. However I like the horses better than the tractors I have had. They are easy to work on, simple, and a joy to ride on. Also they have a fan base which I find far better, friendlier, and more helpful than any other old garden tractors out there. While they might not be as ergonomic or powerful as other garden tractors, they make up for it. And are top notch in my book. Because of my inability to hold on to any one particular tractor at a given time, some members on here have dubbed me the "Flipper". Here are pictures of my past tractors: The ones that are staying thus far:

On another note- one that has probably been said many times too often, It is fairly simple to swap the transmission over to the 1100. The "gearbox" is identical between 1100- equipped machines, it's just a smaller pump. I would get the 518-H (if it's a reasonable price, and is functional)), and start looking for a donor machine for the heavier pump and hydraulics. As long as the original transmission works, you have time to locate another one. The 700-series pump is the weak link of the domestic 518-H, BUT it's still a nice machine. My original 518-H trannie was very strong and fast. I only swapped it later to add hydraulics. Good luck regardless.

2 Right and Wrong.

NO Karl, you answered a question with a question, and that's a whole different thread. :ROTF:

The people on this site are truly fantastic. In the 4 years that I have been a member and all the shows that I have been going to, I have met a lot of special people and made many good friends Today is a one year anniversary for me. It was a year ago today that I was trimming branches, when my ladder disappeared out from under me and I fell and fractured a few bones. I had many members call and get a hold of me, while I was healing, wishing me well...I really appreciated all of that. Shorts (Paul) saw to it that I would not do it again by giving me a toy chain saw at Scott's M&G this year. Then today, the mail man drops off a package from Woodchuckfarmer (Wayne and his wife Peggy). I had spent a few special hours with them drinking some homemade wine at the Big Show this year. So I open up the package and here was what was in there. It did not take much time for me to open one of my favorite Adam's County Wines...Three Ships to the Wind...and check out these glasses. WOW, they are me and one of the nicest gifts I have ever received. Thanks guys...very special. Red Neck Wine Glasses for Friends in Low Places Hey RAT...what do you think would look good in one of these???

Steve! Your just one of those special people that we all know that you can't start the party with out you!!! Your the entertainment that makes it so enjoyable! From the first day I met Steve at the Charlotte show, I new that you were going to be a great friend! I am looking forward to seeing you again soon my friend!

Oh Boy!!!! Question? Is it going to be this quiet all week next week? The Buckeyes and Wolverines go at it next week and this is all that is going to be said? Whats up with that? It's the annual game, com'on guys I am sure we can still have fun beings we are under Karl's care. Duke where are all the stats? Com'on Jim , I already know that you have something hiding just waiting to pounce with (aimed at me).

Hope you get enough snow this this year to use both tanks of gas. If not how many trips around the block to burn all that gas, we might get dizzy watching the video. :ychain:

I did something similar to my 416, but I found a set of hubs with 3/4 bearings that slip right over the original front spindles. The wheels are a 4 on 4 standard trailer wheel. Tires are 165/65 x 8. The hub is by Azusa manufacturing, part #2296

Alright Bob and Kelly (saw you have two)THE washers are the fix ( DUH) just leave them off. Bob you haven't experienced any problems without a lock washer back up, have you, and Have you Kelly. Ain't even mornin' and can't wait to get it done!!! Thanks to you both!

Cable, contact Terry (Vinylguy) directly. He's been known to one-off decals for us at a fair price. He may not have set up a run of these because of the low demand. Terry's darned good people to work with! ~Duff :thumbs:

Steve your always fun to hang out with & those are some neat wine glasses.

Gotcha. My thought was if you don't have to lift the aux tank too high, bottom about 1" above the bot of the original, and plumb it this way with a ball valve you could run the stocker almost dry and use the valve to refill it from the aux and have full use of the gauge and no new electronics. Either way you have a hell of a unit, nice job! :greetings-clappingyellow:

:D Boy Mike...it does sort of look like Steve!!!! and I don't mean Rudolph!!! :occasion-santa: :occasion-snowman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSy4QjwzkQM&feature=g-vrec Austin, TX band

Just got another catalog and wow, It's been a year and they already made a game commemorating Steve's stay in the hospital!!!

I think that you should bring them (the glasses) to the next big show and we can partake of the Vino! only 8 months away! Remember Steve, We have a Class VI on Carlisle Barracks and at the New Cumberland DLA Supply Depot where I work!!! :occasion-santa:

I keep getting catalogs with those Redneck wine glasses. I thought about getting them for you. But then I saw the bra that has a hose attached and you "Fill the Tanks" with your favorite beverage and suck through the hose. Then I couldn't decide what you would have appreciated more!!!

I get all my decals made at Vintage Productions. www.clickitandstickit.com He doesn't have alot of Wheel Horse on web but has custom made several to me that are exact matches. You can email him at cf@clickitandstickit.com tell him Joel from Slinger sent you.

Im ready I also have a snow blower for the CUB if needed and a plow on my Suburban not pictured

Oh ya my driveway is about 25 feet long and 10 feet wide. Lol so needless to say I help the neighbors out whenever I can.

Hi everybody! I just wanted to thank you ALL again for your help, and give you an update on my Wheel Horse adventures. I finally narrowed down the problem to the "Voltage Regulator" of which I had sort of suspected in the beginning. So, I went to a local "small engine" shop and the guy was VERY familiar with Wheel Horse products and indicated that he didn't have the voltage regulator but could get me one. He ordered the part, I went and picked it up and then installed it last week. I was a little surprised as that darn voltage regulator was $135. However, its already paid for its self as I've been pulling my leaf brush with it several times already. Seems to work like new and no issues of battery drainage or not starting. Thanks again for ALL your help. Just about time to put the plow on the front for winter........yuck, I sure miss Georgia. David

I agree with Chris, your problem sounds like the belt isn't disengaging. Dug up this old post about Suburban belt fingers with some pictures to explain. http://www.wheelhorseforum.com/index.php?showtopic=18754

Thanks Martin: Here are a few more: Nice side view of the Wheel Horse 633 owned by Gene Wisinski of Monticello, Indiana with his GM-60 57 inch three gang mower that weighed 190 lbs and cost $205 in 1964. Case 644 with Loader: We had a nice visit with B.J. Timmons on Friday and he had thought about bringing his GT 14 with loader but did not show it at Winamac. On Satuday around 3 or 4 o'clock who shows up but B.J. Timmons, his brother on a 953 Wheel Horse and another Timmons family member on a nice Commado 800 riding up to out checkered flag canopy. The GT 14 with loader attracted about 25 peole in a real hurry as B.J. Timmons is a machinist and did a wonderful restore job on tis 1972 GT 14 with loader. Interesting Case with hydraulics and just about as small as the Wheel Horse Lawn Ranger: My 1975 B-100 automatic with 3000 watt Wheel Horse generator: 1975 B-100 with box fan and Radio running : Our show neigbor - young Ashton Van Couten's 1966 876 automatic he recently bought at an auction in Winamac for $225!: :woohoo: