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I got out bid on this one today. It came with a NOS spare deck

Did some maintenance and Changed the Oil and filter this afternoon on the new to me 522XI HYDRO. I was shocked that the PO would allow this Horse to have such CRAP to be installed on his Horse. Well it has a WH filter now and 6 Qts of AMSOIL will drive and Top off in the morning to 7Qts.

Time to get serious with the frame and steering, having made the belt idler carrier I thought l could squeeze the steering fan gear between it and the transmission. This is tight because I have to make something for motion control to slot in there as well, as I said though if I want to keep the wheelbase down it's the only way. Decision made, I could work backwards down the frame with the final position of the steering console and seat, I had to have a home for the fuel tank and battery, so figured under the seat made most sense. Leaving a bit of wriggle room we arrive at the engine. Measurements done I worked out I would need to add 440mm to the length of the frame. With the new frame parts cut to length, it all got clamped down to a steel and welded up. (I know I took this picture as l did this but when I look at it now it doesn't make sense) ?? Anywho, moving on.... The frames length to the steering axle showing fan gear mount. Speaking of the fan gear I suspect you've worked out how this now operates..... with the fan gear cut off from its original shaft and mounted on a new 'slightly' longer one, the drive now goes ' out the back' effectively reversing the steering. With the new longer frame, it's a case of measuring and cutting the new longer steering rod to fit, and at the same time welding the tie rod linking piece in its correct position. ( having already cut it from the original rod) The steering link leaning against the vice is from my commando 8 (which is still awaiting restoration) it illustrates the difference in length. Enough from me... I'll be back tomorrow.

I would suspect that since neither JD or Toro make their own filters that the one in picture and the WH filter you put on came from the same place.

You need a 6 point socket to keep from rounding off the nuts. They get worn from all the grass, sand, dirt, and gravel the hit. I have had 12 point sockets round of the nuts.

Nice Work Jeff! Reminds me of my Snow Chucker Build. I CHEATED Mine was welded with a STINKIN LINCOLN Squarewave 175 Tig. and 316 SS Filler Rod.

Bringing the Battle Ships back into service- would be as daunting of a job as it would be "Reconditioning" me to play along side Butkus again! Nice idea- but not gonna happen!- Al

I have been fortunate enough to have been on quite a few boats.. I'm from a Navy family having my Dad and a few brothers who served. Looking back it was a big mistake having not done so myself and I regret having not enlisted myself. I was able to go out on the destroyer USS King for family day while my brother served. What an awesome day. we steamed out for a few hrs. where we dropped anchor and had a family picnic of burgers and dogs with all the fixins prepared by the enlisted men on deck on big barbecues. We were able to wander around the boat all day and were able to go just about anywhere. I spent a lot of the day up on the bridge where I found the captain to be one of the nicest guys you'd ever meet and I was allowed to even sit in his chair! What an honor for a 14 yr. old kid at the time.. I also spent a good bit of time in the radar room. My brother Mike was actually the head in charge of the radar room. It was just a few yrs. later I got to repeat this entire experience of family day aboard my brother Dave's boat, the USS Eisenhower, (the Mighty Ike) an air craft carrier. Another great day at sea for me. Being able to watch the F-14's (if memory is correct) take off and land from such a close vantage point was something I'll never forget. Again, we were able to wander the boat all day long and go just about anywhere we wanted to go, and I certainly did. I've been on quite a few battleships, When I was a kid I also went on and toured the German sub, the U-505 which we captured at sea during WW2 and the submarine USS Nautilus in Groton CT.

When you fall asleep on the job, they will steal your hind leg. Hooooowwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrdddddddddddd! we haven't sat down and discussed my contract. I'm due for a bump up!

Geez...all this talk about mash poles, sea of red, afternoon naps, vendors, parts.....almost wants me to suffer a divorce to be in attendance......almost......

Well guys Its coming at us at 22,000 miles an hour and theres nothing we can do about it,,,,,,Yup...THE BIG SHOW,,,,,,,,,,, I didn't think I was going to need to do this thread,,,,,But the other day,,,i was sent a P.M. about the mash MASH POLE,,,,,, He was a vendor inquiring about space on the pole and how much $$.......So,,,with this post ,,,I hope my message is on point and clearer than I usually talk,,,, The pole is more about the person,,,the passion,,,and 3 days in June,,,, The cost is NOTHING,,,,,you get a space that is all yours,,,,18 inches long X 4 inches tall.....you bring it,,,it will be mounted aiming towards your hometown,, But this year,,,,its gonna have a change ALL vendors get a space 18 X 8 inches,,...AND make them look like AD space Mr Vender !!!!!!!! ,,everyone gets to do both sides,,,,it should tell ,,miles from home,,,your name,,,,your screen name,,,,,only 1 single exception !!!!!!! just remember when creating this,,,,the last 4 inches on 1 side will be against the pole,,,,, NO GREEN NO YELLOW,,,,,,no mower blades,,,no mower decks......No chain saw chains,, Anyone that can get this message to Bill Jenkins ,,please inform him,,,,, also,,,if anyone has contact with the WHEEL HORSE CLUB....it would be cool to see a sign,,,from the Heads of Wheel Horse Community,,!!!! Karl,,,,I know yours will stand out,,,, I will supply screws,,,screw gun,,,and official Bus Stop Commander ..the Original SQUONK to personally install it.....and if you show up reasonably on time,,,, If I have not mentiond you by your name,,,,than I am depending on you for a sign.,,,,,, I do ask a favor,,,,,,will someone post a pic or 2 of the pole.....and the Bus Stop Sleeper,,,,he is an official and needs recognized ......... I want to thank Richard in helping my head create this,,((,,or what ever you want to call it)) Show creativity,,,,,,Show your devotion,,,,,remember,,,,This is the GREATEST TRACTOR SHOW ON EARTH !!!!!!!!!!........ OH,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I almost forgot,,,,,,when you present your sign,,,,,ask for your ID Badge,,,,, any pics of all this is appreciated !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Howard 857HORSE ,,,,,, thanks for all the support !!!!!!!!!

Hello folks! We only have a half acre of grass, but I was tired of sweating in the SC sun using a tiny 21" push mower. I looked at brand new riding mowers, but just couldn't bring myself to spend that kind of money for a flimsy looking machine. So I started searching for well made vintage machines and discovered Wheel Horse. I found this 312-8 on craigslist and dragged it home for $360. Somebody tried to touch it up with red spray paint (ugh) but it runs and mows. Here's what I know so far: it's a 312-8 with a 42" SD deck and a Kohler Magnum 12. Sadly a serial number is nowhere to be found (maybe painted over?). The engine numbers are also faded to oblivion. The deck is a 05-42MS05. Can anyone help identify the model year? I'm guessing 1987+ because it has the M12. More photos here: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5dezknlauktq4ti/AADS3wug2ixnNy0nIiiHaIsEa?dl=0 I'm planning to change fluids, new tires & tubes, and new blades. Where is the best place to buy parts online? I figure my local dealer(s) will be more expensive for parts. Thanks! Daniel in Greenville, SC

I really needs to get me another headlight matey's, yar I do. Aarrrrr

I'm not sure but, I think it's something in the water that makes us that way!!! Jim

Knowing Ed he got outbid because the buyer overpaid!

I've been on a lot of forums over the years and I have never been received as well as I have on this forum. I think I like it here.

NOS definition; Notorious Old Spoilation!

You know those holes I liked? Yep these ones... Well I found a good use for them.. A bit of trimming and welding was needed along with this small plate to fill up a hole. And this is what I have made with the holes.. It fit's on the end of the bench to give it some strength and some style.. OK, I could of come up with a simpler design, but I just couldn't help myself Something was needed to cover the cogs that powers the er.. Auto feed is as good a name as any.. Anyway, a couple of strips of steel welded together and bent in a funky shape. Dig out a bit of computer case.. Chop and weld to shape.. I need to finish the welding and give the edge a little grind down, but I'm happy with the strange shape and look A finishing shot for the day

Wheel Horse made a special wrench for those 11/8" nuts: I always use them, I have two, one for use behind the blade on the nut there to hold the spindle securely, and the other wrench on the outside bottom nut, they are 18" long for lots of leverage, and thin enough head to fit behind the blade. There are two different sellers with these wrenches available on eBay right now: Always use a thick grease on the threads so the nuts don't freeze up too tight during use ("grass juice" is like a corrosive glue). As the blade spins, it snugs up the nut tighter. These wrenches were given away free in the 80's with each tractor purchased. (A 6-point closed-end wrench on the outside would be a lot safer and more secure, with a long handle -- or just purchase a 11/8" socket if you have a 1/2" drive set).

Tractor, truck, ATV, by foot ,hanging out the sliding Patio door, off the table on the deck, it's zoned county/agricultral, ain't had the five-0 called on me yet ,just gotta be stealthy

Randy, That is one cool wagon. I don't think I've seen one up close and personal. It's sad, really, when you think about the toys and stuff we had in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, compared to what kids have today. Toys, wagons, etc., were made out of steel, made to last. Today, it's all plastic. When I was growing up, we played with Tonka trucks, Nylint trucks, BuddyL trucks, had steel wagons to pull around, etc. Now, it's all plastic, or video games instead of actually going outside and getting dirty.

C'mon Jim, worse case is you may have to take her on a CC (compensation cruise). I have to do this every year.

Mike Howard at the MASH Pole Howard dreaming about the MASH Pole.

As Dennis's rear end needs questions answered , it will be part of tonight's 'instalment', first however,.... Hello Mark, how's it going up in the frozen north?, way to make me not feel guilty,...thanks. Maybe I'll change my username to Dark horse. And ohiofarmer, your experiences are all to common, doesn't matter where you live, I think they call it 'progress'. Right now though iiittttsssss loader time, with the help of the cat, (I love my cat) I swopped the subframe for the tractor on the bench and then promptly stripped it down to axles, frame and engine, having already done a bit of measuring. I split the frame from the transmission, blocked it up then wrestled the subframe back into place, first seat mock up But with nothing to go from, steering wheel wise. And the engine was a pita so I got rid of that. l placed the whole steering unit in place. And of course because it's a it slotted right in. So, bearing in mind I wanted to keep the wheel base as short as possible the first thing to work out was the position of the fan gear for the steering. This means lengthening the steering wheel shaft so I wasn't banging my hands against the loader towers. Adding a seat on the beer crate made it more... comfortable. A picture from the other side, and I felt I was on the right track. The bit of measuring I did earlier, (before tearing the tractor to pieces) involved the placement of the transmission belt idler. I would have to replicate this...so I did. It is removable, you just have to separate the tractor frame from the subframe to get clearance. Tomorrow we'll touch on steering and tractor frame.

I'm an Army guy, having served as a 12B, Combat Engineer. So, I'm a little out of my league when it comes to discussing Navy vessels. But, due to my job, I spent some time on Navy bases, and on a few Navy vessels, mostly Frigates. But, as I said, I was on the USS Missouri, and did go down into an aircraft carrier in San Diego to do some work on Harpoon missile related stuff. And I was on one, or in one submarine, boy was that a tight fit. Having said all that, I was impressed with the vessels I was on, and was impressed with how contain they were, as in, how life related stuff was contained when onboard and deployed on sea. I don't think that kind of military life would be for me, but I can understand the lure it may have on others. I do believe it's a good thing to spend some time in any branch of the military, it gives one some perspective to things other than themselves. This is a very cool thread.!!!!!

I was looking through some old pics and thought I would share a picture of the Radio Flyer I redid for my grandson. I bought this for his Dad when he was little from a garage sale. Paid $10 I think. Its a Radio Flyer 2000 from the early 70's. They didn't make too many and you can't find many pictures on line. This was my grandsons first birthday. He will be two in May. Here is a picture of his Dad in the same wagon. Randy

Here are other tractors of approx same vintage, with 4 speed trans. MAYBE they have the same case sides, OR... maybe a complete trans would swap over...not sure mod. year mod tr eng & spec hp trans model 551 1961 551 4-Speed Tecumseh H55D-2113 5.5 Wheel Horse 5007 701 1961 701 4-Speed Kohler K161S-28622E 7 Wheel Horse 5007 400 1960 Surburban 4-Speed Kohler K91-31388A 4 Wheel Horse 5010 550 1960 Surburban 4-Speed Tecumseh H55B-1170 5.5 Wheel Horse 5010 401 1961 401 4-Speed Kohler K91-41437A 4 Wheel Horse 5010 502 1962 502 4-Speed Tecumseh HT55C-3088 5.5 Wheel Horse 5025 552 1962 552 4-Speed Tecumseh HT55C-3089 5.5 Wheel Horse 5025 702 1962 702 4-Speed Kohler K161S-28622E 7 Wheel Horse 5025 603 1963 603 4-Speed Tecumseh H60-75016 6 Wheel Horse 5025 633 1963 633 4-Speed Kohler K141T-29102A 7 Wheel Horse 5025 653 1963 653 4-Speed Tecumseh H60-75009 6 Wheel Horse 5025 753 1963 753 4-Speed Kohler K161S-28626E 7 Wheel Horse 5025 854 1964 854 4-Speed Kohler K181S-30108A 8 Wheel Horse 5025 1045 1965 1045 4-Speed Kohler K241AS-46219A 10 Wheel Horse 5025 607 1967 607 4-Speed Tecumseh HH60-105014B 6 Wheel Horse 5043 953 1963 953 4-Speed Kohler K241S-46135A 9.6 Wheel Horse 5045 604 1964 604 4-Speed Tecumseh H60-75064B 6 Wheel Horse 5046 704 1964 704 4-Speed Kohler K161T-28937E 7 Wheel Horse 5046 1054 1964 1054 4-Speed Kohler K241S-46215A 10 Wheel Horse 5047 654 1964 654 4-Speed Tecumseh H60-75063B 6 Wheel Horse 5049 605 1965 605 4-Speed Tecumseh H60-75118D 6 Wheel Horse 5049 655 1965 655 4-Speed Tecumseh H60-75117D 6 Wheel Horse 5049 855 1965 855 4-Speed Kohler K181S-30108A 8 Wheel Horse 5049 1055 1965 1055 4-Speed Kohler K241AS-46219A 10 Wheel Horse 5049 606 1966 606 4-Speed Tecumseh HH60-105014A 6 Wheel Horse 5053 656 1966 656 4-Speed Tecumseh HH60-105013A 6 Wheel Horse 5053 856 1966 856 4-Speed Kohler K181S-30108D 8 Wheel Horse 5053 1056 1966 1056 4-Speed Kohler K241AS-46333D 10 Wheel Horse 5053 657 1967 657 4-Speed Tecumseh HH60-105013B 6 Wheel Horse 5053 857 1967 857 4-Speed Kohler K181S-30108D 8 Wheel Horse 5053 1057 1967 1057 4-Speed Kohler K241S-46333D 10 Wheel Horse 5058

Ed, you only got out bid because you quit too soon....

Here is a manual for your mower deck An operator manual that will work for you Garry

Friday is the best day of the "Big Show" and you will be able to be a part of the RedSquare group photo.

Or go to Harbor freight by a cheap 1-1/8 wrench and grind it thinner in the head to fit the hex above the blade or if you are really cheap like me old mower blade angle grinder and a file. to hold the upper hex use a real wrench on the nut.

Ive been into 2-3 of those (not my favorite mounting method!) and they seemed to be the common type - without knowing exactly. Even if not common I would go back with that. Whats really amazing is you didnt even mention the rubber pads being rotten .

I'll be coming for the first time on Friday. Only day i can get away and cant wait to check everything out and meet some new people. You all have so much knowledge its crazy lol

Here is what I found. The gears do not show wear as much as just metal eaten away from the water. These are the only two that show any damage. Thanks for the tip. I'll contact him.......B

Interesting Al..... What's everyone's take on this stuff? Sales gimmicks or for real? https://lucasoil.com/products/engine-oil-additives

I agree with Bob, that does sound like a starter problem. It is very easy to test the starter. Install a jumper cable from the + battery post directly to the + post on the starter. If the starter spins the engine, then the starter is OK, and the problem is in the solenoid, wiring, or ignition switch.

Make sure it is a quality wrench or socket, a Chinese one can sometimes not be the perfect size and that will cause it to round the nut.

Glad to see you guys have a sense of humor. You do realize you could paint that JD filter another color. Just kidding.

Surprised it ran at all.

I would go with 4 plys unless you just plan on mowing flat ground with it. Any kind of hauling or hills and 4s are the way to go. Prolly the reason they are cheap is because they are only 2s. Just my

Thanks Jeff, at this point I don't know how I will Do the Lines but the more I think of it the more I am considering making the Loader removable. I just spent the past couple days servicing the Tractor as I was waiting on estimates on Metal to be cut. I did receive costs from one place on the 32 Pieces on the Cad drawing you provided. They came in at $150.00. I then sent them a Updated drawing on my Bucket and am making it 41" wide so it will fit through my stable doors. I added some degrees of tilt to the back of the bucket And also on the brackets I will make a hole or two On the bottom for further adjustment. I am waiting on them for the bucket costs and prices from another company.

Nice Fab and welding there MATE. I don't know what all the hubub about Cats is, Our Pres Don Trump Likes Cats Too! By the way I hope you replace that Beer Crate with a Beer Cooler, That way When you and your Blokes get done shoveling it will be time for a Beer!

Sorry Jim, I know nothing about Howards lost hair, chair, or gun.

I use Sea Foam in all my machines.I have a 1968 Cub Loboy that would run for ten minutes and quit.I let it sit for ten minutes and it would restart and run for ten minutes and quit.I checked everything in the fuel system and found nothing wrong.Good flow to the carb.Several versions of the carb so I was reluctant to pull it apart.Dumped some Sea Foam in the tank and it brought the old girl back to life.That was two years ago.Still going strong. I am a believer and recommend it to anyone.I use it and I know it isn't cheap but if it keeps the machines running I'm willing to buy it.I also use Stabil and run Ethanol free gas in all my air cooled engines.That includes the two strokes.I think that the days of going to the filling station and getting gas without further treantment are gone.JMHO JAinVA

Yup. What they all said. There is no way to give you any credible info without knowing what model you are talking about. However, having said that, your problem sounds like a starter to me.

to the Oldman. We don't have many old men here, but we do have a big bunch of 20 year olds that live in 70 year old bodies. And they like to play with little Red Tractors.

@Jake Kuhn sells all of the bearings, bronze, seals and gaskets as a kit. He is in Michigan, and I am sure he would ship the whole kit over to you. It looks like most of your gears are OK. If anything, I would try to find a better input shaft gear and a different 1st/rev fork gear. The whole thing should clean up real good.

Jack up one rear axle at a time so all the oil runs to the other side. Change seals on the high side, then reverse for the other side.