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t_furl43

 I’m looking to find out what I can do about making it easier to steer my 416–H,  I have Ag tires all the way around and don’t get me wrong it’ll make a man out of you steerin the thing but it would just be nicer if it was a bit easier and I wasn’t sure if they made a steering reduction like they do for the 500 series or not. TIA fellas

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Handy Don

It isn't a trivial conversion, but if you can find the parts you might be able to put reduction steering on that unit. 

New parts (at minimum):

- steering shaft (the gear and pin at the bottom are a different size)

- bottom block

- reduction gear

- fan/sector gear (different geometry)

- forward shaft (different length)

- assorted bolts and shims

- possibly tie rods? (on the 500's with reduction they are adjustable length) -- Someone else will know this answer!

 

Because of the extra length in the mechanism, the angle of the steering shaft is a bit steeper.

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roadapples

I added the whole 520 steering unit to a 74 C160 and front steering rod worked fine and the angle of the rear rod  didn't change.

  Unless you have a 520 donor the complete system will probably start at about $350. And you will have to loosen the engine and tilt it or pull it to switch the front rod...and:WRS:

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Handy Don

Dang, I forgot my manners! Absolutely, @t_furl43, WELCOME!

 

If you find a later 520 donor, it'll also have the swept forward axle. Know that if you put that on the 416, you'll want to get the "extender" for you snowplow frame to put the plow further forward. Pretty sure that the swept axles are all 1" spindles with roller bearings and wider front rims, too. That is why @roadapples pointed out that usually the conversion comes from a donor tractor.

 

In my case, I decided it was easier to transfer everything else onto the donor chassis. So I did!

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SylvanLakeWH

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953 nut

Many times steering difficulty can be resolved by adding some shims to the lower shaft eliminating the binding that can take place. In the attached thread @daveoman1966 explains it well.

 

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Ed Kennell

Changing the fronts to tri ribs or turfs with roller chain around the circumference would reduce the turning friction but still maintain the steering control.

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Pullstart

What is the air pressure of those fronts?  Could you bump ‘em up a couple lbs?  What about grease maintenance records?  Make sure the tractor frame is jacked up to pull the wheels off the ground before greasing it.  That helps get the grease to the points most vulnerable to wear and friction.

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peter lena

@Pullstart  what a concept ! those  A/G   tires are designed for total ground engagement  , adding weight and soft tire pressure , is like trying to push a barn door . personally  would lift that front end , wheels and axel hanging  free , to get the complete picture , to verify how its responding to the heavy drag issue, would detail lubricate every area , with something made for brutal use, lucas x-tra heavy duty  grease , made for that , found a roller stool approach to a problem study , really exposes the issue , no matter where its coming from . that type of problem detailing , is what i have learned from stool looking over problem areas . just my own greasy experience , pete 

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lynnmor

I would try losing the wheel weights and swapping the tires so they run backwards.   Many in agriculture reverse the front tires on two wheel drive tractors.

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roadapples

I have 6 ply tires on the front of my loader tractor that hold 70psi. That much psi made nearly as much difference as the gear reduction steering....

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Andy N.

As stated earlier, lose the weights and change the front ags. Here's my setup with front 5 ribs. I also have a 520-H that have tri ribs on them. Those work great as well.

 

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Pullstart
23 hours ago, lynnmor said:

I would try losing the wheel weights and swapping the tires so they run backwards.   Many in agriculture reverse the front tires on two wheel drive tractors.


I can attest that running the ags backwards does help with steering traction, especially in slippery applications like snow.


The tires on this round hood “Poppy” are not really ideal, I built it for the looks.  I did however put loaded skinny ags on it for winter time, spun the fronts around and plowed a good amount of snow with it.

 

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