What wire is this/ hooked to?

[AHS 1,411]

The photos of of my 70 or 71 Raider 12. It seems like the wire come out of the front of the engine. The rectifier wires come out of the other side of the engine. What wire is it? Where does it go to? 👍

[ebinmaine 63,137]

I don't know what that is but I'm going to follow along because I'm curious as well.

 

 

Just as a point of info, you're missing a spacer under the pivot bar that goes to your throttle cable.

That's why it appears to be bent and scratching the engine cover at the top.

 

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47 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

I don't know what that is but I'm going to follow along because I'm curious as well.

 

 

Just as a point of info, you're missing a spacer under the pivot bar that goes to your throttle cable.

That's why it appears to be bent and scratching the engine cover at the top.

 

A spacer in behind it? It looks bent!

[ebinmaine 63,137]

40 minutes ago, AHS said:

A spacer in behind it? It looks bent!

Yep it is.

 

I can get a pic tomorrow or you can hunt around for one here.

There's a spacer maybe 3/8" thick that's missing.

 

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1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

Yep it is.

 

I can get a pic tomorrow or you can hunt around for one here.

There's a spacer maybe 3/8" thick that's missing.

 

Yup, there is one on my 73 wheel horse “ mowing tractor!”, it’s a little dark and blown up! But that’s the spacer! It’s always nice to have a tractor to refer to!👍😄

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Ok, now what’s it for? What does it go to?

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 10,498]

That spacer has a step in the OD. The flat piece is free to pivot when the mounting bolt is tight.

 

Is the loose wire the one that went to the breakerless ignition coil?

 

Garry

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4 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

That spacer has a step in the OD. The flat piece is free to pivot when the mounting bolt is tight.

 

Is the loose wire the one that went to the breakerless ignition coil?

 

Garry

Ok, the points and the condenser go to neg. and the ignition goes to pos. ? What does it go to?

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 10,498]

1970 Raider 12 model 1-6251 - Uses Kohler K301S-47371c with breakerless magneto ignition

Sounds like you no longer have the breakerless ignition or the engine has been replaced.

If you have points and condenser and an external coil you now have battery ignition.

Tuck the spare wire out of the way and forget about it.

Is is not uncommon to add points condenser and external coil when the very expensive breakerless ignition system fails.

 

Garry

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28 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

1970 Raider 12 model 1-6251 - Uses Kohler K301S-47371c with breakerless magneto ignition

Sounds like you no longer have the breakerless ignition or the engine has been replaced.

If you have points and condenser and an external coil you now have battery ignition.

Tuck the spare wire out of the way and forget about it.

Is is not uncommon to add points condenser and external coil when the very expensive breakerless ignition system fails.

 

Garry

Ok! Is that common a on a 1970, ( not that long ago, right?!) I have a ‘70 and a ‘73 14hp, which is running, and it does not have that wire.

[Wildhorse 298]

That wire is from the trigger on breakerless ignition. One wire comes off stator and goes to trigger and then one from trigger to breakerless coil. 

It was common for those motors and some blocks were pre drilled and tapped for points conversion. A small plug was placed in points plunger

hole and screw holes were tapped and ready for points and cover screws. An updated steel points plunger rod was also introduced in the 80's

to replace the aluminum ones for longevity purposes.

[Wildhorse 298]

You should have two wires coming out of the other side that come from stator and go to AC terminals on rectifier.

You have a points cover and appears to be wire coming from points so I'm assuming it is in fact a battery ignition now.

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51 minutes ago, Wildhorse said:

You should have two wires coming out of the other side that come from stator and go to AC terminals on rectifier.

You have a points cover and appears to be wire coming from points so I'm assuming it is in fact a battery ignition now.

Yup, exactly .

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1 hour ago, Wildhorse said:

That wire is from the trigger on breakerless ignition. One wire comes off stator and goes to trigger and then one from trigger to breakerless coil. 

It was common for those motors and some blocks were pre drilled and tapped for points conversion. A small plug was placed in points plunger

hole and screw holes were tapped and ready for points and cover screws. An updated steel points plunger rod was also introduced in the 80's

to replace the aluminum ones for longevity purposes.

Ok! It doesn’t look like this tractor has been used much... before the attach o matic... the Raider 12 has the mower deck (36” RD) in beautiful shape. And it has the updated points/ coil, which could have been done in the early 90’s??

[Wildhorse 298]

The points conversion could have been done at any time not 90's specific. The Raider and other 12hp models of that era also had side discharge decks.

They had a side mounted mule drive setup. Your also missing the choke cable bracket that mounts just above pivoting throttle cable bracket that your 

missing spacer for. You're also missing bracket for throttle cable on valve cover unless I'm just not seeing it in pic. Decks mount just like attach o matic,

only difference is mule drive. The Raider 12 will easily handle a 42" side discharge deck.

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13 hours ago, Wildhorse said:

The points conversion could have been done at any time not 90's specific. The Raider and other 12hp models of that era also had side discharge decks.

They had a side mounted mule drive setup. Your also missing the choke cable bracket that mounts just above pivoting throttle cable bracket that your 

missing spacer for. You're also missing bracket for throttle cable on valve cover unless I'm just not seeing it in pic. Decks mount just like attach o matic,

only difference is mule drive. The Raider 12 will easily handle a 42" side discharge deck.

Ok! The tractor is on a long rebuild...I have all the pieces.. somewhere! 

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Ok, so I robbed the coil of the Raider 12, and would like to replace it with something new. It has points. Shouldn’t it be the same as all the other kohler k series? I took the tractor info in to the dealer, and they said it was too old! I’m just looking for a part number. Thanks.

[ebinmaine 63,137]

Your local auto parts store might have a usable coil.

Perhaps @953 nut @squonk @pfrederi could help with a number?

 

[pfrederi 17,147]

Any 12 volt internally resisted coil would work  Cheap on bay

 

[953 nut 51,682]

VW used a 12 volt internally resisted coil.

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16 hours ago, Wildhorse said:

ok

 

[squonk 38,928]

Napa IC64SB

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Ok, I bought coil off a 312 (off eBay). And, I was to think, a 312 doesn’t have points, and mine does... does that matter?

[953 nut 51,682]

If it looks like this you will be fine. 

If it looks like this, not so fine.

Edited August 10, 2019 by 953 nut

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27 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

If it looks like this you will be fine. 

If it looks like this, not so fine.

Ok!it looks like the top one! I’m good!👍