Achto 29,304 #26 Posted April 9 18 minutes ago, c-series don said: I want one of those!! I would have a 4 way wedge on it though. They thought of that. Later in the video they show where the wedge moves up to expose the cross wedge, aka 4 way. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeM 8,181 #27 Posted April 9 Might want to look around on Marketplace. Tons of spliters listed for just a little more money then your going to spend on parts. Just a thought. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 71,951 #28 Posted April 9 11 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said: hand powered splitter I used to really enjoy using one of these quite a lot but nowadays my body issues won't let me... 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 71,951 #29 Posted April 9 Just now, JoeM said: Might want to look around on Marketplace. Tons of spliters listed for just a little more money then your going to spend on parts. Just a thought. Your thought is valid but up here a splitter being sold is usually garbage. So many people burn wood that they just buy them at the box stores and run them until they wear out or ethanol eats them and then resell for way too much money. I want nothing to do with any kind of modern imported junk. The one we have is very very heavy duty. I would MUCH rather spend $1,000 rebuilding this then getting someone else's issues for $1,000 and having the aforementioned - modern junk. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 71,951 #30 Posted April 9 @c-series don @Achto That 4 way will be part of the additions to ours for sure. Likely I will have our fabricating friend do a proper welding job to it. This is thicker steel than I've ever even thought about trying to deal with. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,479 #31 Posted April 9 34 minutes ago, c-series don said: 4 way wedge on it though. Yep makes a lot of "overniters" My stove like smaller ones. Can't believe you split that candle Sylvia... would have made a dandy bear bait log too... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,479 #32 Posted April 9 1 hour ago, Achto said: couple of pins so it can be quickly removed Yep mine is going to just like that . 1 hour ago, Achto said: it left yesterday. He got all that split??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,304 #33 Posted April 9 3 minutes ago, WHX?? said: He got all that split??? Guess he heeded the splitter at home. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,479 #34 Posted April 9 16 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: is usually garbage. 17 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: getting someone else's issues Needed one for cabin and looked for a used one but all trashed and decent ones dang near the price of a new. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne0 1,127 #35 Posted April 9 44 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: @c-series don @Achto That 4 way will be part of the additions to ours for sure. Likely I will have our fabricating friend do a proper welding job to it. This is thicker steel than I've ever even thought about trying to deal with. Question. Is the wedge on the ram or the beam. If on the beam, Northern sells a slip on 4 way that works awesome. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 7,674 #36 Posted April 9 6 hours ago, ebinmaine said: We'll fire it up soon and time it. Hard to answer this without quantifying current speed vs BBT capability. I'd say double. Definitely BOTH. I'd be happy to help you spec something out. Need a starting point, though: Cycle times of your current system. Target cycle time. Current cylinder size - piston diameter, rod diameter and stroke. Pump size Valve size Piping size and approximate length Engine hp - really important for reality checks on proposed changes. I'll make the assumption that you are satisfied with the splitting force of your current machine, so that will define the operating pressure of the system. One of the guys I races RC boats with decades ago built a splitter powered by a compact car engine - might have been out of a Vega. He could cut a fair sized log to length before splitting in that rig. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 7,674 #37 Posted April 9 6 hours ago, ebinmaine said: We'll fire it up soon and time it. Hard to answer this without quantifying current speed vs BBT capability. I'd say double. Definitely BOTH. I'd be happy to help you spec something out. Need a starting point, though: Cycle times of your current system. Target cycle time. This goes to defining the flow needed. Current cylinder size - piston diameter, rod diameter and stroke. Pump size Valve size Piping size and approximate length Engine hp - really important for reality checks on proposed changes. I'll make the assumption that you are satisfied with the splitting force of your current machine, so that will define the operating pressure of the system. One of the guys I races RC boats with decades ago built a splitter powered by a compact car engine - might have been out of a Vega. He could cut a fair sized log to length before splitting in that rig. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,479 #38 Posted April 9 Only one saw Wayne??? Keep lookin i guess... https://www.northerntool.com/products/northstar-wedge-wings-fits-select-northstar-log-splitters-110910 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,304 #39 Posted April 9 (edited) @ebinmaine If you are looking for faster cycle times, then maybe you should look in to building one of these. Looks safe enough. Plus you should be able to power it with Wheel Horse. Edited April 9 by Achto 3 4 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 71,951 #41 Posted April 9 3 hours ago, Wayne0 said: Question. Is the wedge on the ram or the beam. If on the beam, Northern sells a slip on 4 way that works awesome. Ours is on the beam like that one. But ours has an extension on the top. This looks awesome. I'll have to see if it's something we can use. Save me the trouble of having someone else do the work for me too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 13,733 #42 Posted April 9 (edited) I concur with most of the above. My 2¢: - 7 or 8 hp is plenty except for extremes like 24” long, 24” diameter twisted-grain Locust. I’ve been running a 5hp unit with satisfaction. - a two-speed pump will be easier to incorporate than adding recirculating plumbing and works on both split and return part of the cycle. You can spec higher volume, if desired - as long as the valve, hoses, and fittings are large enough, going bigger adds no real value - a vertical mount splitter has a tradeoff: no lifting heavy rounds, but more work while bent over (a splitter that works either way would be ideal, eh?) - a hydraulic lifting table/gangplank with a gated outboard end could make it less work to get rounds into splitting position on a horizontal splitter and lets one have good feed control. - a flip up table on the other side gives the option of catching or not catching the splits. By far the fastest increase in speed for me came with a trusted helper. We take turns. One loads and calls “go” when ready and then clears the split stuff, the other operates the lever and steadies the round. This lets us work as fast as the machine cycles (and also lets us not fully retract the ram on the 30" bed when spitting 15” rounds). Edited April 9 by Handy Don 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne0 1,127 #43 Posted April 9 (edited) 7 hours ago, WHX?? said: Only one saw Wayne??? Keep lookin i guess... https://www.northerntool.com/products/northstar-wedge-wings-fits-select-northstar-log-splitters-110910 I stand corrected, I got it in the jungle! I've got a 10hp Techy with an 16 GPM pump, 5" piston, 2" ram. Big a$$ power! I tore the original wedge off on a big Beech crown. Replaced it with one from Northern, then got the 4 way. Edited April 9 by Wayne0 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,479 #44 Posted April 9 Ok found THIS in the jungle while looking for Wayne's wedgie .... Gotta be cheap chineseum POS but for the money??? Setup near the stove for quick kindling??? ... Just sayin ... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne0 1,127 #45 Posted April 9 (edited) 56 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Ok found THIS in the jungle while looking for Wayne's wedgie .... Gotta be cheap chineseum POS but for the money??? Setup near the stove for quick kindling??? ... Just sayin ... This is it. https://www.amazon.com/RuggedMade-Splitter-Wedge-Attachment-Blade/dp/B018R7CXY8/ref=sr_1_2?crid=3UM9PS08RV60A&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.UVT5ZO8JLx_MOYkiOndrn_lxjVmkMrxRR-k-AoYnTzeSSQrRmMOogB2DCkf-eqXsjDE8C6p5wEllXFbtbWg66eIq34amTSMRBs1jQn7hbTrBT5qImZP53rNg3nKn6dZacnIWvUrr_oCPOYuDqvkI3vPEvyx5DVTW54W6UPlRXnJ25PgaZIdudDWvvngoebPO80J0k8TMagAzf05uf0ftetI66o1RpWJlxwI164Zr0Tgo2sVgvhPupgmJAiIdf4KxlARoGiAtTJWkQ-XocYIoCcwnfajWF0QBPiQtpUaoQSk.GVw3UTx89bKuLAJhuSwPGmoaHGEuX437UyWWpHFE2Nk&dib_tag=se&keywords=4+way+wedge&qid=1744232129&s=lawn-garden&sprefix=4+way+wdege%2Clawngarden%2C98&sr=1-2 Haven't figured out how to get it to one word! Edited April 9 by Wayne0 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 71,951 #46 Posted April 9 Cylinder outside diameter. 3.75 Piston diameter 1.75 Stroke appears to be about 24 but the collar eliminates some of that for the auto return so it comes out about 22.5? Poking around online I'd GUESS this is a 12 to 14 ton push at 3000 PSI. Full view. Pics of splitting wedge. My hand for size reference is 10" across thumb to pinky. Valve Pics. Pump. As you can see the current engine is a Briggs 6.5 HP. It runs fine but I believe will be underpowered for what I want to accomplish. I have several Kohler big block engines that could potentially be used. 14 and 16 HP. A Tecumseh 10 HP. And a Briggs V twin cylinder 20 HP. Space would obviously be a consideration but a higher mount could be made to clear the tires. OR wider wheels with spacers. Or both. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 71,951 #47 Posted April 9 7 hours ago, 8ntruck said: Need a starting point, though Do the pics above with ID tags help? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adsm08 3,059 #49 Posted April 9 14 hours ago, ri702bill said: Two more - the hose or pipe size between the pump, valve, & cylinder. If it is too small for the GPM flow, the cylinder cannot get rid of fluid on the opposite side. And having a restriction like that in the return can cause all sorts of unusual issues. I remember one time I was working on a Grand Am that had poor steering assist and a noisy pump after it ran for a few minutes. I found the return line crushed. Fluid couldn't get back to the reservoir as quickly as it left and was pulling it into a vacuum. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wayne0 1,127 #50 Posted April 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, ebinmaine said: Do the pics above with ID tags help? You could try to cross the numbers on your pump to the Northern pumps which are re branded Barnes to find your gpm. Also, the jungle has wide 4 way wedges for your type of wedge. I edited my previous post, as I had the GPM wrong. It's a 16 GPM pump. Also, my valve has an auto trip at the end of the return cycle. Edited April 9 by Wayne0 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites