Maxwell-8 4,367 #26 Posted January 6, 2022 10 minutes ago, DeepH2O said: one of them has some threads on back side that I can possibly work with. Maybe if you can cut a slot in it for a flathead screwdriver. You can't drill that one out? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,718 #27 Posted January 6, 2022 Have we convinced you to spend more money @DeepH2O... or do you need more convincing...? Don 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeepH2O 66 #28 Posted January 6, 2022 4 minutes ago, Maxwell-8 said: Maybe if you can cut a slot in it for a flathead screwdriver. You can't drill that one out? No, it’s got the extractor broke of inside the bolt 😩 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,718 #29 Posted January 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Maxwell-8 said: Maybe if you can cut a slot in it for a flathead screwdriver. Really not a bad idea... but you would probably have to be popeye to turn the screwdriver... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeepH2O 66 #30 Posted January 6, 2022 How hard is the flywheel to get off? Will I need a puller? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregor 4,847 #31 Posted January 6, 2022 The fact is, I do have a budget. If you ever want to sit down and figure out what a project will cost you, just triple that right off the git-go, and you will be close. Then if you want to go a little nuts after that, ................ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,718 #32 Posted January 6, 2022 Just now, DeepH2O said: No, it’s got the extractor broke of inside the bolt 😩 Lovely. Do you have a die grinder @DeepH2O...? Might be able to use a die grinder with a small cobalt grinding bit to basically grind it out... Don Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snoopy11 5,718 #33 Posted January 6, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DeepH2O said: How hard is the flywheel to get off? I always unscrew the flywheel bolt, get it to the end of the threads on the crankshaft, and put a pry bar behind the flywheel, prying with moderate pressure, and hit the flywheel bolt with a hammer. Flywheel will pop right off... usually... Edit: ( @pacer and @squonk will probably recommend a harmonic balancer puller, which would work great as well in this instance) Don Edited January 6, 2022 by Snoopy11 more info Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maxwell-8 4,367 #34 Posted January 6, 2022 50 minutes ago, DeepH2O said: No, it’s got the extractor broke of inside the bolt 😩 If you lived closer, you could barrow our diamond drill bits 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wheelhorse#1 1,829 #35 Posted January 7, 2022 All good advice.I’ve been there. Always tighten a pinch first and then short sharp blows with your hand on the wrench. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeepH2O 66 #36 Posted January 7, 2022 5 hours ago, Snoopy11 said: I always unscrew the flywheel bolt, get it to the end of the threads on the crankshaft, and put a pry bar behind the flywheel, prying with moderate pressure, and hit the flywheel bolt with a hammer. Flywheel will pop right off... usually... Edit: ( @pacer and @squonk will probably recommend a harmonic balancer puller, which would work great as well in this instance) Don Thank goodness for Advanced Auto tool rental!! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,733 #37 Posted January 7, 2022 Just go git that welder .... you know you want it and it works..... sides you be thinkin in bed tonite how sweet it would be to have one. You can't hide it from us but easy to hide from the missus.... here we go you get busted.... .but dear it was granddads tractor ... I gotta save it.... either yer gonna get the frying pan or a mooch .... 50/50 ..... 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeepH2O 66 #38 Posted January 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, WHX?? said: Just go git that welder .... you know you want it and it works..... sides you be thinkin in bed tonite how sweet it would be to have one. You can't hide it from us but easy to hide from the missus.... here we go you get busted.... .but dear it was granddads tractor ... I gotta save it.... either yer gonna get the frying pan or a mooch .... 50/50 ..... Hahahaha!! We ARE really all alike, huh!! I was going to go earlier but talked myself out of it. I was going to try one of the bolts one more time, but, in my mind, I’m already lining up jobs to do with the welder!! I’ve been needing to repair my trailer but needed one more reason to get the welder and this was the scale tipper! Haha 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeepH2O 66 #39 Posted January 7, 2022 Ok, so do you guys see in issue with my setup here, for trying to get flywheel off? Am I correct by assuming the only thing holding it on is 1 bolt in the center? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeepH2O 66 #40 Posted January 7, 2022 Found some other posts. I need to re-install center bolt most of the way, and then apply pressure to center bolt to keep from damaging threads and to keep from falling off if it decides to come off quickly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeff-C175 7,206 #41 Posted January 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, DeepH2O said: re-install center bolt Does the pointy thing on the screw of your puller come off? Some do and you then have a flat to push on the bolt head. If yours doesn't, you might consider punching a center punch as close to the center of the bolt head as possible to prevent it from 'walking' off center. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oliver2-44 10,711 #42 Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) Just so your aware the aluminum plate behind the flywheel has the charging stator bolted to it with 4 little screws. They may be rust welded in place like the others. If I’m remembering correctly the stator has to come off to get to the plate puller holes. Sometimes you can wiggle the plate off without using a puller. That aluminum plate is also the crankshaft bearing retainer for that side of the engine. It has paper gasket shins under it to set the crankshaft side clearance. To reassemble you will need to pull the oil pan to feeler gage side clearance. This can take a couple of tries. Do you have a Kohler engine Manuel? If there is an old welding and farm repair shop in your area you might want to take it by them and see if they can get the bolts out before you go that deep in the engine. Also the flywheel is bolted on to a taper. You want to put tension on you puller then smack the puller center bolt with a hammer. You usually cannot pull the flywheel with just cranking on the center bolt. Put that center bolt back in place because it usually jumps off when you smack it Edited January 7, 2022 by oliver2-44 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 59,918 #43 Posted January 7, 2022 18 hours ago, DeepH2O said: not having any luck finding bearing plate. Have you called Lincoln at A-Z Tractor? https://a-ztractor.com/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregor 4,847 #44 Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) I think once you get your bearing plate off, the broken bolts can be dealt with. If the one with the broken tap NEVER comes out, there are options. Wish we had good pics of the broken bolts and locations Edited January 7, 2022 by Gregor 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeepH2O 66 #45 Posted January 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Gregor said: I think once you get your bearing plate off, the broken bolts can be dealt with. If the one with the broken tap NEVER comes out, there are options. Wish we had good pics of the broken bolts and locations Here they are. I got the flywheel off and access to the back of one of them. Still no luck! She’s in there. I lubricated good, applied heat, and got a good bite with chisel. Still didn’t wink. I’m not even sure welding nut will get it. So, there’s 2 covers that these 3 go to. The one in top head, I have a new head coming. That one is good. The other 2, not so sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gregor 4,847 #46 Posted January 7, 2022 I think the head bolt would come out,l but you need to center tap and drill it pretty close. Even if you had to drill and tap it to 5/16. I am assuming the top bolt has the easy out broke off in it, but I cant really tell. Any decent machine shop could get both of them out I think. Re- tap to 5/16. If that fails cut the bosses off, cut new pieces of aluminum, (any shape) and have them welded back on. Drill and tap new holes while the cover is in place. Or send the bearing plate and head to me, and I will fix them. No charge. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 18,666 #47 Posted January 8, 2022 Other than the one with the broken "not so easy out" get a helicoil set and re-do them. i must 6-10 of these in my tractors Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 59,918 #48 Posted January 8, 2022 If you heat the broken easy out to red hot it will not be hardened an longer and can be drilled out. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DeepH2O 66 #49 Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, 953 nut said: If you heat the broken easy out to red hot it will not be hardened an longer and can be drilled out. Do I risk damaging the gasket or anything else in motor with heating? If I remove bearing plate, I’m assuming I would need to replace gaskets, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kpinnc 14,630 #50 Posted January 8, 2022 4 hours ago, DeepH2O said: If I remove bearing plate, I’m assuming I would need to replace gaskets, right? Correct. They are actually paper shims that set the crankshaft endplay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
