Cee245 753 #1 Posted January 5, 2021 I have a 86 417A(for sale) and a 97 416H. I know, when I leave the key on the 416H when not running, the hour meter does NOT go up. My 417A had 634 hours last year, and now it is up to 784! It had 777 hours last week and was NOT run. Just noticed the key was left on (again, my kids). In reality, it has about 650 hours Has anyone else dealt with this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pollack Pete 2,273 #2 Posted January 5, 2021 Simple solution........remove the key. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
c-series don 7,785 #3 Posted January 5, 2021 Yes, I have a 314-A at my rental house for the tenant to mow with. He left the key on for weeks a while ago and racked up many hours on the meter. I forget how many it added but it was a lot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 6,765 #4 Posted January 5, 2021 Your 416H has the ground for the hour meter run thru the oil pressure sensor, it turns on when there is oil pressure. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cee245 753 #5 Posted January 6, 2021 @Pollack Pete, serious? ya, umm, no kidding? Uh, I know removing the key would obviously not rack up the hours. My question was has anyone dealt with my issue before. As @lynnmor says, It looks like the 416H has a ground that runs to the meter? Which causes it to NOT run the hour meter unless it's running some how? The point of this post is that it looks that my 417A has 784 hours, when in fact, has closer to 650, or even less. No wonder it runs like a champ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill D 1,599 #6 Posted January 6, 2021 Buy a normally open oil pressure switch with two terminals. Plumb it in using a tee along with the original pressure switch. Run the positive feed for the hour meter thru this switch. When the engine is running the oil pressure will close the switch and allow the hour meter to run. The hour meter can't run unless the engine is running. Better yet use an Onan pressure switch for a 520 or 416 and copy the wiring for the hour meter and oil pressure light circuits. Run the ground for the hour meter thru the Onan pressure switch just like the Onan powered tractors. Someone here can help you find the switches you would need depending on which way you go. Garry @gwest_cacan supply the wiring diagrams you would need. I haven't done this mod as I am the the only one that runs my tractors. Bill 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom2p 2,393 #7 Posted January 7, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 6:39 PM, Pollack Pete said: Simple solution........remove the key. my solution also I never leave a key inserted in any battery start vehicle while it sits but for the most part - primarily because I had two young boys Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 10,586 #8 Posted January 7, 2021 The camp tractor has a solar trickle charger plugged in whenever tractor is parked. Key is hung over the charger connector to remind user to disconnect before driving but also to make sure key cannot be left "on". Young'uns know that unsupervised playing on or near the tractor is a major no-no and so far so good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pollack Pete 2,273 #9 Posted January 7, 2021 7 hours ago, tom2p said: I never leave a key inserted in any battery start vehicle while it sits but for the most part - primarily because I had two young boys Same here and it's just the Squaw and I that live here.Could just picture a youngster getting a machine started and running it through a door,or wall,or worse.Takes 3 seconds to pull the key out.Better safe than sorry. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Handy Don 10,586 #10 Posted January 7, 2021 10 hours ago, tom2p said: my solution also I never leave a key inserted in any battery start vehicle while it sits but for the most part - primarily because I had two young boys I was 13 when workers left the keys in a road grader down the street after finishing for the day. Had it running in no time and was moving it back and forth and playing with the blade when my Dad showed up. There were other kids around and it coulda been a disaster but I was lucky. He wasn't sure whether to be impressed at my ingenuity or blazing mad at my ignorance so the punishment was light but the lesson learned was heavy. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cschannuth 3,795 #11 Posted January 7, 2021 If I took the keys out of my tractors, or my vehicles for that matter, I would never know where my keys were. Lol 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pfrederi 17,143 #12 Posted January 8, 2021 Heck I leave the keys in my truck so I don't lose them 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tom2p 2,393 #13 Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Handy Don said: I was 13 when workers left the keys in a road grader down the street after finishing for the day. Had it running in no time and was moving it back and forth and playing with the blade when my Dad showed up. There were other kids around and it coulda been a disaster but I was lucky. He wasn't sure whether to be impressed at my ingenuity or blazing mad at my ignorance so the punishment was light but the lesson learned was heavy. that's a great story - and fortunately no one hurt similar story when I was a kid - but I was maybe 8 or so years old at the time was with a bunch of kids when we climbed on to an excavator or road grader (or something) at a job site basically at the end of our dead end road at the time my dad had an old dodge truck and a willys jeep ... one of them - I believe it was the willys - started by pressing a button on the floor with your foot ... the button was very much like the high-low beam switch in some 60's cars ... I pressed a similar button on the excavator with my foot - and it roared to life we jumped off the excavator and ran as fast as we could to one kid's house and told his parents what we (I) had just done can't recall what happened ... again - I was around 8 at the time Edited January 8, 2021 by tom2p 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
