over haul p220

[Tom kite 3]

Needs some help  any good tips 

overhauling a p220  

 

 

[WVHillbilly520H 10,376]

47 minutes ago, Tom kite said:

Needs some help  any good tips 

overhauling a p220  

 

 

@richmondred01 @onanparts.com @boomers_influence @lynnmor

[richmondred01 2,307]

Whats your definition of “overhauling”? 

Get your wallet out.

The parts have gotten crazy high. The last I checked the parts for a complete rebuild were over 1200.00

then of course you will have to tack on machine work: bore, valve seats, and grind crank additional 300-400.
I stopped rebuilding them because the cost of the parts:
This is who I recommend for people that want there onans rebuilt.:http://shop.kustomlawnandgarden.com/Rebuilt-ONAN-P220-20HP-engine-remanufactured-core-required-ReboP220.htm

Edited December 20, 2020 by richmondred01

[Tom kite 3]

oh dam I can buy another 520h for less ty sir.

[richmondred01 2,307]

Why do you think it needs to be rebuilt?

whats the compression gauge read?

[horseyheaven 113]

If valve seats are good, crank and rods are good, they are reasonable to do.  I de-carboned one of mine, honed cylinder,  new rings, rebuilt oil pump and pressure spring, lapped valves, new head gaskets, all new gaskets and seals for under $250.  That has been 3 years ago.  What a difference it made.  Onanparts.com is a great source.  I got everything through them.  They are awesome.  
 

I am not saying they are not pricey to rebuild, but if you just need the basics and valve seats are good, they are reasonable.  Honestly, I always have loved Kohler engines.  Once I got an Onan, there are advantages to Onans.  Kohler has those individual coils that seem to go bad.  To replace, they are under the baffle housing.  So, speaking from the Simplicity and Allis-Chalmers brands, that means pulling the engine.  The old Onans are right on top and simple to change.  

[520HC 208]

Yeah I have rebuilt several in the last five years did not spend anywhere near $1200. 

[richmondred01 2,307]

2 minutes ago, 520HC said:

Yeah I have rebuilt several in the last five years did not spend anywhere near $1200. 

Let me get this right.
Two new pistons, two ring sets, 2 intake valves, 2 exhaust valves, valve seal, 2 rods, all the gaskets, cam bearings, main bearings, oil pump, machine work for under 1200.00?
you should go into business. 
Send me your information and I’ll refer people your way. 

 

 

[onanparts.com 185]

1 hour ago, richmondred01 said:

Let me get this right.
Two new pistons, two ring sets, 2 intake valves, 2 exhaust valves, valve seal, 2 rods, all the gaskets, cam bearings, main bearings, oil pump, machine work for under 1200.00?
you should go into business. 
Send me your information and I’ll refer people your way. 

 

 

Onan made industrial engines, not disposable toy engines. The majority of Onan's can be overhauled for under $500.00 and many for under $300.00

Overhauled means replace and repair only what is required to get the engine back in service economically but in a dependable condition. Call it a refresh, industrial engines do not need to have everything replaced. The exception of course are engines not maintained properly and or with high hours on the clock.

So may variables. We sell more Standard piston rings than almost any other part. A top end is the most common on the Onan's. Deglaze cylinders, new rings, grind valves and seats, new gaskets and seals. Replacing all gaskets and seals when doing a top end is best practice, but replacing only the gaskets needed, head, intake, valve cover and exhaust is typical and the most economical way to go. Around $100.00 or so.

 

A few weeks ago we had an inquiry from a guy quoted $1800.00 in parts alone, no labor, to rebuild his P220G from a "reputable shop"....the issue was burning oil. He could see smoke under heavy loads but not so much on light or medium loads.

 

He had basic shop hand tools. Gave him the parts and service manuals. Told him to tear it down at least to the point of having the pistons and rods on the table. Discovered a stuck oil ring. New rings, cleaned up the valves, no grinding, and back together with the minimum gaskets needed. Under $110.00 to his door in parts.

 

Impossible to know "how much" it will cost in parts and or what needs attention, unless the engine is torn down for a proper inspection. Pulling the heads is an easy way to determine general condition. Cylinder appearance, valve condition etc.

 

Tom has not answered why he is considering an overhaul? Tom, speak up please!

 

 

 

[richmondred01 2,307]

Yep.

per my original posting 

define “overhaul”

We have to be very careful of definitions in today’s environment.

My idea of overhaul is and engine torn completely down, machined to proper specs and new parts installed.

Others may think an overhaul is something much less.

Just curious, how much is you complete overall kit mr onan parts? 

[onanparts.com 185]

28 minutes ago, richmondred01 said:

Yep.

per my original posting 

define “overhaul”

We have to be very careful of definitions in today’s environment.

My idea of overhaul is and engine torn completely down, machined to proper specs and new parts installed.

Others may think an overhaul is something much less.

Just curious, how much is you complete overall kit mr onan parts? 

Commonly accepted definition of "overhaul"

To examine thoroughly and make any needed repairs: overhauled the engine to check for problems.

 

Commonly accepted definition of "rebuild"

The restoration of an item to a standard as nearly as possible to its original condition in appearance, performance, and life expectancy. 

 

Our kits were dropped due to very low demand. 2-3 kits per year. We plan to bring the kits back for those who want to reset the clock to zero, period.

Aiming for a cost much lower than $1200.00 but still maintain the all Made in U.S.A. contents. $800.00 would be the goal or close to it.

 

A "total" replacement of all parts on a typical Onan as I have stated, is rare. The majority of customers purchase exactly what they need to obtain the desired result. Case in point: 5 people this year purchased from us every part available to get their Onan back to factory new condition. All 5 obtained what they wanted for under $1000.00 to their door.

 

 

 

 

[richmondred01 2,307]

This is your website correct?

[onanparts.com 185]

5 minutes ago, richmondred01 said:

This is your website correct?

 

 

For the past 20 years, yup!

[richmondred01 2,307]

6 minutes ago, onanparts.com said:

 

 

For the past 20 years, yup!

looks like 1299.00. 
Does the “Christmas sale” take it down to the 800.00?

And does that sale include shipping?

If so that’s great savings of $500.00.

If I was still “rebuilding/overhauling” onans I would definitely be at your door. 

Edited December 21, 2020 by richmondred01

[richmondred01 2,307]

Well Tom that’s a real good price that onan parts man has. A complete kit that according to his website includes:

Rebuild Kit includes:

Two Pistons with Rings & Wrist Pins:
Two Con Rods:
Two Main Bearings:
Two Cam Bearings:
Two Intake Valves:
Two Exhaust Valves:
Two Intake Guides:
Two Exhaust Guides:
Four Valve Springs:
Four Valve Caps:
One Rebuilt Oil Pump: New pump no longer available.
One Oil By-Pass Spring:
One 168-0187 Gasket & Seal Kit:

 

All for $800.00. You really are going to find it hard to beat that price. I can’t remember when onan parts were that cheap. I was guessing 1200.00. You should jump on that deal. 

[WVHillbilly520H 10,376]

Not trying to offend anyone here but even to say $1000 for a twin cylinder engine "renew" vs $500 for single cylinder one then the price difference really isn't all that different from that perspective? 

[richmondred01 2,307]

41 minutes ago, WVHillbilly520H said:

Not trying to offend anyone here but even to say $1000 for a twin cylinder engine "renew" vs $500 for single cylinder one then the price difference really isn't all that different from that perspective? 

I agree when you can get a complete onan rebuild kit for 800.00 opposed to the 1299.00 price.

 

[richmondred01 2,307]

I can’t find a telephone number on your website. 
I would like to call and order that full rebuild kit .010 over on pistons and .010 under on rod that you are selling for 800.00 For that price I’ll keep it on the shelf in case I ever do another.

please forward telephone number either on the board or via PM.

[richmondred01 2,307]

7 hours ago, richmondred01 said:

I can’t find a telephone number on your website. 
I would like to call and order that full rebuild kit .010 over on pistons and .010 under on rod that you are selling for 800.00 For that price I’ll keep it on the shelf in case I ever do another.

please forward telephone number either on the board or via PM.

I have yet to hear. Please advise.

[R Scheer 505]

Their website says closed Dec 19 to Jan 10.

[WHX?? 51,744]

Now it says closed till Feb?? Looking to refresh an Onan myself. 

[richmondred01 2,307]

Try Randy’s Small Engine or Arkansas Valley Diesel service.

Both are open and offer a wide selection of Onan parts. 

 

[WVHillbilly520H 10,376]

Not giving or taking anything one way or the other with Onan parts, But there could be  "family" issues that arisen because the state of affairs in this world so lets not be so hasty to judge.

[richmondred01 2,307]

2 minutes ago, WVHillbilly520H said:

Not giving or taking anything one way or the other with Onan parts, But there could be  "family" issues that arisen because the state of affairs in this world so lets not be so hasty to judge.

indeed that may be the case for sure. If so, I hope all is well. However, I was just giving to good sources in case they couldn’t wait until February 5th.

I just ordered several items from Arkansas Diesel. They were very helpful, prices reasonable (for Onan) and shipping very fair. 
Just an alternative.