Whatizzitt from Maine

[Stormin 9,975]

Tyre valve removal/inserting tool??

[SylvanLakeWH 24,130]

8 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

So why's it marketed as a valve tool and what's it do?

 

So... you ain’t sending me a trophy? 

 

 

[ebinmaine 63,119]

23 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

So... you ain’t sending me a trophy? 

 

 

I'll send you a snow trophy. 

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

I wonder if it's some sort of adjustable spanner wrench?  (with the plates turned around so the 'tangs' stick out)

[ebinmaine 63,119]

So guys here's the tool box that piece was/is in....

 

I took a few minutes to completely empty it and organize by size and type. 

 

It looks at or near complete. 

 

 

 

Close-up of the decal outside

 

 

Decal inside the lid. 

 

 

The post organizing layout. 

 

 

 

 

[DennisThornton 4,769]

Certainly appears that something square goes into it but what? Wooden handle?Then what?  Are there other parts missing?  Is it even a tool?  Or just a part of something?

 

I don't foresee an answer coming from me...

[ebinmaine 63,119]

15 minutes ago, DennisThornton said:

Certainly appears that something square goes into it but what? Wooden handle?Then what?  Are there other parts missing?  Is it even a tool?  Or just a part of something?

 

I don't foresee an answer coming from me...

I believe that the square end goes on to one of the adapters in the kit. 

There are both 4 and 6 sided handles in the above toolbox. 

 

@Stepney you'd like this set. 

 

[elcamino/wheelhorse 9,044]

I bet to a tool collector , that set would have value.  @ebinmaine have you checked flea bay or internet for old tool sets. You may get your answer.

[SylvanLakeWH 24,130]

I thought I nailed this...? 

[DennisThornton 4,769]

24 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

I believe that the square end goes on to one of the adapters in the kit. 

There are both 4 and 6 sided handles in the above toolbox. 

 

@Stepney you'd like this set. 

 

4 sided thin walled with floppy cotter pin connected to what!  I see no connection to the socket set.  I give.

 

[ebinmaine 63,119]

14 minutes ago, elcamino/wheelhorse said:

I bet to a tool collector , that set would have value.  @ebinmaine have you checked flea bay or internet for old tool sets. You may get your answer.

Briefly. 

I was only able to find in several places that it's called a VALVE GRINDER ATTACHMENT. 

But to grind what valves I don't know. 

[SylvanLakeWH 24,130]

Just now, ebinmaine said:

Briefly. 

I was only able to find in several places that it's called a VALVE GRINDER ATTACHMENT. 

But to grind what valves I don't know. 

I’m sending my trophy back... 

 

(But not the snow)... 

[ebinmaine 63,119]

2 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

I’m sending my trophy back... 

 

(But not the snow)... 

How bout if I send more snow just to help you feel better?

 

[Stepney 2,314]

The valves on a T engine have notches in the top, they were never in the same place twice. Just a hunch, the part with the notches is upside down. Flip it so they point down. Then the square and pin at the top went into basically an old fashioned eggbeater drill. It was for turning the valve under load in its seat. I helped do valves on a T truck in Florida when I was little and vaguely remember the tool.

Im not sure what it would have to do with the T jack.. I have three different factory T jacks, and none had anything but a ratchet or a crank. Henry would never include an intricate little piece.. heck one of the timing cover bolts on the A is also the tool to set the ignition timing 

 

Clearly not the same, but I think its somewhat similar to this?

 

In this case.. use the ratchet, and the double ended square bit. Couple the square into the ratchet, flip the tabs over, and set them to fit the valve. The little tab in the middle would center it.. I cant find another tool like that online but vaguely remember working with it. 

Edited December 21, 2020 by Stepney

[Stormin 9,975]

On ‎12‎/‎19‎/‎2020 at 11:27 PM, ebinmaine said:

 

 

 If the plates were turned so the prongs pointed out, it would be like the one Stepeny has. Be adjustable for different valve sizes.

Edited December 21, 2020 by Stormin

[Mickwhitt 4,149]

Just because it was in the box doesn't mean it lives there. Could just have been thrown in over the years.

Its too flimsy for anything heavy duty, I think it looks more like the clap board marker than anything, but hey I don't even know what a clap board is! Thought it was one if those things they start the film camera with in the talking pictchas. 🤣

 

[ebinmaine 63,119]

1 hour ago, Mickwhitt said:

Just because it was in the box doesn't mean it lives there. Could just have been thrown in over the years.

Its too flimsy for anything heavy duty

That was one of my first thoughts as well but it is a listed part of the kit. 

 

I believe @Stepney Spenser has described it's usage. 

 

I'm in no way familiar with the vehicles prior to '60 or so. He's done alot of maintenance on very early machines. 

 

 

[ebinmaine 63,119]

2 hours ago, Mickwhitt said:

know what a clap board is!

An older meaning of "clapboard" is small split pieces of oak imported from Germany for use as barrel staves, and the name is a partial translation (from klappen, "to fit") 

 

It was shortened and adapted over the years to define the individual boards of building siding. 

 

 

[Mickwhitt 4,149]

Ah didn't know it was listed as part of the set. 

So clap board is not a shingle then?

 

[ebinmaine 63,119]

1 hour ago, Mickwhitt said:

Ah didn't know it was listed as part of the set. 

So clap board is not a shingle then?

 

No sir. 

Long boards like on my house. Measured face is usually 4" or 5". 

 

Shingles (or shakes) are individual pieces that are more like 15" long and anywhere from 3" wide to as much as 8 or 10. 

 

Leastways round here...

[Handy Don 10,596]

11 hours ago, Stepney said:

The valves on a T engine have notches in the top, they were never in the same place twice. Just a hunch, the part with the notches is upside down. Flip it so they point down. Then the square and pin at the top went into basically an old fashioned eggbeater drill. It was for turning the valve under load in its seat. I helped do valves on a T truck in Florida when I was little and vaguely remember the tool.

This makes a lot of sense to me, thanks @Stepney and it's the kind of job a mechanic of the era would have to be prepared to do so including it in the kit makes sense as well. With some rubbing compound, one could lap valves with only minor issues right in place and not have to disassemble the engine. We also have to keep in mind the limits of metallurgy in that era at those low, Model T price points.

[Stepney 2,314]

1 hour ago, Handy Don said:

This makes a lot of sense to me, thanks @Stepney and it's the kind of job a mechanic of the era would have to be prepared to do so including it in the kit makes sense as well. With some rubbing compound, one could lap valves with only minor issues right in place and not have to disassemble the engine. We also have to keep in mind the limits of metallurgy in that era at those low, Model T price points.

The poor oil and fuel was horrible about carbon, and the inexperienced T driver would often run the engine with the timing way off .. since you set it right from the steering column on a lever. They coked up valves all the time and only would need a quick turn to get them seated *enough to 'run' again. 

[Handy Don 10,596]

18 minutes ago, Stepney said:

The poor oil and fuel was horrible about carbon, and the inexperienced T driver would often run the engine with the timing way off .. since you set it right from the steering column on a lever. They coked up valves all the time and only would need a quick turn to get them seated *enough to 'run' again. 

Aren't we smart figuring out what they already knew 100+ years ago?!