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I'm curious about the ground connection in the first pic. The NEC doesn't allow more than one wire connected to a lug on an outlet, or any device. Those two outlets would need to each have a pig tail running to the bare ground wire. Your way is electrically the same and saves a wire nut and room in the box, but our local inspector will gig ya on that one every time. :D A couple of them won't allow the lugs if they aren't soldered, yet one will allow two wires crimped into one long lug. He says the long lug satisfies his definition of a pig tail? :hide:

All those outlets makes me wonder just how many battery chargers you're planning to run in there Duke? Any ventilation for all the gases they'll stir up?

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noncritical

looks really good fine job i will stay away from the pink comments lol

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HorseFixer

I'm curious about the ground connection in the first pic. The NEC doesn't allow more than one wire connected to a lug on an outlet, or any device. Those two outlets would need to each have a pig tail running to the bare ground wire. Your way is electrically the same and saves a wire nut and room in the box, but our local inspector will gig ya on that one every time. :party: A couple of them won't allow the lugs if they aren't soldered, yet one will allow two wires crimped into one long lug. He says the long lug satisfies his definition of a pig tail? :hide:

All those outlets makes me wonder just how many battery chargers you're planning to run in there Duke? Any ventilation for all the gases they'll stir up?

Your right Jim! :omg: But those "as I call them" HECTOR THE ELECTRICAL INSPECTORS are the same guys that okay a push in wire on a cheesy connector on the back of an outlet! :D and thats okay right? :D Ive seen outlets sizzle and melt from those cheap azz spring connectors with no surface area to grab the wire! When I crank down on a screw you can rest assured its tight I tug all the connectors real good before buttoning it up :hide:

Some Codes are just plain bullshit, and thats one of them. there is more resistance in a solder joint than two wires twisted together. I have proven this with an ohm meter. You wouldn't think so but lead is not as good a conductor as going straight copper to copper. There is very low amperage gassing on a battery maintainer prolly about a quarter amp there is no worries there, so don't loose any sleep over Dukes Setup! I won't burn my stable down! :omg:

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Suburban 550

The Stable looks SUPER ! :D And yes Duke, I do trust your electrical work. :hide:

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linen beige

I hear ya on those push in "connectors" Duke. They ARE NOT allowed to be used here. I'm not loosing sleep, I was just curious.

BTW, those banners look good. Can't wait to see what ya do with the lighted sign! Ya gonna frame it in pink? :hide:

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HorseFixer

I hear ya on those push in "connectors" Duke. They ARE NOT allowed to be used here. I'm not loosing sleep, I was just curious.

BTW, those banners look good. Can't wait to see what ya do with the lighted sign! Ya gonna frame it in pink? :hide:

Jim, I haven't quite decided yet how I am going to do the case for the lighted Wheel Horse sign yet. One thing for sure it won't be framed in PINK :D The Case needs to be able to opened to replace the fluorescent tubes and the sign is about 5' 8" long and about 30" wide. And of course I think Red would be the best color for the frame. The light will be turned on by a switch in the 3 gang box to the right of the exterior door.

Have hung a few more signs up. And finished all the wall receptacles tonight. the plan is to hit it hard and heavy this weekend on the shelving and the platform. That in itself will be a big task. I have some welding to do on special made brackets that need to be built because the self will be suspended by threaded rod they will need to be adjusted to level and suspend the outward portion of the shelf. I chose threaded rod because I think it will be less obtrusive and beneath will be Tractors so I can't have floor supports.

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big mike

Duke,you sure he meant hydrogen from charging batterys or methane from the crock pot of chili? :hide:

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HorseFixer

Duke,you sure he meant hydrogen from charging batterys or methane from the crock pot of chili? :hide:

Mike yer a funny man! :omg: Funny guys are from NILES! :hide: Hey Wait! I resemble that statement! :D

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HorseFixer

Well I have hung up some more signs and finished all of my receptacle wiring. I also stopped by my Sheet metal Guru doode and had him make me some galvanized wrap to go around the door frame leading from the garage to the stable. I didn't want to use wood casing because this would further take away the width of the doorway and I need all the space I can get. Sooo I had it made out of 26 ga galvanized. This will be prepped and painted WH Red like the rest of the trim. This weekend will be building shelving and the platform.

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Butch

:hide: :D :hide:

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HorseFixer

Thanks Butch

Well started working on my platform tonight the first order of buisness was to build my JIM BEAM! :hide:

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Now comes the Important part the building of the platform to double stack the "Round Hoods" to optimize every bit of space I can. This platform will support 6 tractors I figure for the sake of argument each tractor will weigh 400 lbs X 6 = 2400 lbs. All of this was taken into consideration when selecting materials. I used 2X6's for the beam with 1/2 OSB material in between each 2X6. Along the wall was also mounted a 2X6 screwed & 4" Lag bolts were used in each wall stud. The beam will have a total of 4 supports 3 being 4X4's treated. I also installed additional supports in each wall stud to support the 2X6 against the garage wall. The platform will be sheeted with 3/4" OSB. The platform will be coated with Epoxy with the flakes the same color as the floor.

The platform was engineered by a contractor friend of mine to support 43 lbs per sq ft. The tractors at the given weight of 400 ea is 29.09 lbs per sq ft. The platform is 5.5' wide X 15' long = 82.5 sq ft. 2400 / 82.5 = 29.09 this makes the platform over 30% stronger than it needs to be which is a good thing to support this precious cargo! :hide:

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The company that I have decided to get my floor Epoxy from Epoxy Coat Website mailed me the base coat sample and a bunch of flake samples that they thought would look good after I showed them some pictures of my stable. So I have had some help from a bunch of people at work and this is the sample that we thought would look good on the floor. The Beige is a darker beige than is on the walls the long stirring stick shown is the Linen Beige the lighter chip color that pretty close matches that is called Milk Weed. The Wheel Horse Red on the trim they call Lipstick Red And the gray looking color flake is called Graphite. I think this will really pull it all together with the floor and the top of the platform with this color scheme. What do you guys think? :hide:

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Guest fireman

Duke,

I have been following this thread getting some ideas to finish off my workshop. All I can say is "WOW", you did a top notch job!My only issue is I had to move all my things in before it could be completed. I still have to put in a drop ceiling and paint. I also want to epoxy the floor. I guess I will have to rent one of those PODs to store my stuff in this spring so I can get everything out and finish.

P.S. Where did you get the lumber from? That stuff looks straight and true with not a lot of knots or blems. Very clean wood :hide:

Jeff

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BairleaFarm

This whole thing is absolutely awesome. I cant wait to see it finished.

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64s

Duke, The easiest way to light your sign is to actually keep the sign and lighting separate. Attach your light to the wall and then hang the sign over it. You can keep it simple by putting a simple frame around it (routering the backside of the frame to accept the sign's lip), or you could add some dimension and build a beefier frame. Since you have a switched box you don't have to deal with separate switch.

Thanks for sharing your project with us!!!!!!!!

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HorseFixer

Thanks Fireman, Simpleman & 64's :thumbs: I don't know what drives me I guess you guys OK OK I wanna get this damn thing done So's I can start working on a tractor in a clean shop finally! :D

The bottom line is when yer dealing with lumber yards or anyone for that matter dont let them tell you how its gonna be you tell them! That has always been my approach! If they want my money there gonna hafta give me service plain and simple! :whistle:

Jeff the lumber was purchased at Lowe's but like anything at any lumber yard ya gotta sort! If they don't have what I want I get into their chit Real Good!!!!! And I mean Real Good...... and tell um to bust another bundle of lumber open!!! :omg:

they don't like it put I tell um thats tuff chit!! Thats the way I always have been when I put on my 1400 sq ft addition back in 1999 it was the same drill I ordered all my stuff thru 84 lumber, I told them to bring me 400 2X4's I sorted and sent 200 back.

I told the sales guy if he didn't like it I would drive over there and pound a knot in his head! :lol:Im not trying to act like a hard azz or something, but hey those hard earned dollars come hard and I want the best bang for my buck! Anyways I told him I needed another 200 straight 2X4's and he better hand pick um himself!! He did and I got what I needed! One time they made a delivery when I wasn't home and dumped and skinned up my tung and groove OSB I told them That was unacceptable!!! And to bring me out another duplicated load and to

unload it by hand and stack it nicely and cover it up! Not out in the rain like the last load! <_< Ya just have to be demanding! When I was in the HVAC business I bent over back wards for my customers, I gave them a value and did what they asked, plain and simple without my customers I would have starved!! More of these stores need to realize that!

Yep I know what ya mean luckily I have another 1200 sq ft to store my stuff or I would be up a chit creek, What you see here has taken over a year of thought and planning it didn't happen over night. I have been thinking about this for along time and still I'm sure when completed wish I would have done things differently :dunno: Isn't that always the way it is? :whistle:

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Well the main part of the strength of the platform is the 4X4 upright supports. They need to be anchored real good at the base and I didn't want to use angel Iron with some Taco Bender Fastener So I decided to go a blind fastener. If you have ever worked in construction they make epoxies that are harder & tuffer than my X Ole lady! :dunno: You wont find these at the BIG BOX STORE you would order these from FASTENAL it takes a special gun for application and they even make a pneumatic gun for large jobs. Here is how I did it!

I cut (3) 5" long by 5/8 threaded rod drilled a hole in each 4 X 4 base and drove the threaded rod 3" into the 4 X 4. This left 2" to go down in the concrete.

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The next thing I did was use a 5' Level and located where the 4X4's would be on the concrete and make sure they were plumb. And made an X for the center Where the 1" hole would be drilled.

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I drilled holes 3" deep to accept the 2" threaded rod stud. Its good to have a vacuum Sweeper hooked up picking up the dust as you go and an air compressor to blow all the remaining dust out of the hole.

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This product is Unitex Brand sold by fastenal, Once this stuff is set in concrete properly it will not move!! PERIOD fill the hole up as shown. If you look closely at the application tip of this product it has an internal swirling mixing tip that mixes the two parts when you squeeze the gun. The tips are 3 bucks a piece so you want to keep the product flowing and have everything ready so you can keep moving once you start! :thumbs:

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After you have the epoxy worked in the hole filler up to the top and around the edges of the hole once you set the 4X4 post any that oozes out will fill any crevices and if your floor is off a bit out of level the excess will fill the gaps! :whistle:

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After the post is set anchor the top in place where ya want it. It is okay to put some on top of the post!

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Let posts set for 24 hrs and you have a rock solid support! :whistle:

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WHC-125

That is coming out ahhhhhhhmazzing :whistle::whistle:

You have to put in a microwave and a fridge and your all set :thumbs:

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HorseFixer

That is coming out ahhhhhhhmazzing :whistle::dunno:

You have to put in a microwave and a fridge and your all set :thumbs:

Thanks Chris I just picked up a good size college type dorm fridge a couple weeks ago and keep it at 29 deg :whistle: The pop when it comes out has a slightest amount of slush in it. The beer is perfect so cold it will bust yer teeth! :omg: So I hafta drink um quick! :omg: Whats the microwave for :lol: Did I tell ya I love to cook on the grill! :D

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linen beige

Why didn't you just set some J bolts when you poured the floor? :thumbs:

JK, Looks good.

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HorseFixer

Started putting up the shelving today got a couple sections up, this shelving will run the entire length of the stable. It will be suspended from 1/2 threaded rod from the ceiling joists. This will require custom made brackets at the ceiling and at the shelf, which I plan to fabricate this week. The shelf is plenty Strong to support its own weight but for the equipment I will be putting on it, it will require much more strength! :thumbs:

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Butch

What a disappointment. Ya didn't countersink your lag bolts and plug the holes with dowels matching the wood grain. And look at those legs. They're square. I can't believe you didn't turn them on a lathe. Now you're gonna "sprinkle" some flakes on an epoxy floor. I pictured you to have the WH Head painted in the center of the floor and then use an epoxy clear coat finish over that. You sure are starting to slack off on your projects! What happened to your craftsmanship? :thumbs:

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Duff

Duke, the place is looking GREAT! :thumbs:

One quick question - a concern from a friend, not a criticism. Are those 4x4's pressure treated (just looking at the color)? If so, are the fasteners you are using to tie into them either ceramic coated or stainless? The new PT has a chemical in it that supposedly eats steel like salt on a scratch on a car body panel :dunno: . I used old-style galvanized deck screws a couple years ago to replace part of my deck and when I broke one of the boards this past summer (another whole story :whistle: ) I played H*ll getting the old screws out - the shanks were completely rotted already. Apparently galvanized is no longer good enough.

Pro carpenters out there....any thoughts?

Duff :whistle:

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HorseFixer

Duke, the place is looking GREAT! :thumbs:

One quick question - a concern from a friend, not a criticism. Are those 4x4's pressure treated (just looking at the color)? If so, are the fasteners you are using to tie into them either ceramic coated or stainless? The new PT has a chemical in it that supposedly eats steel like salt on a scratch on a car body panel :D . I used old-style galvanized deck screws a couple years ago to replace part of my deck and when I broke one of the boards this past summer (another whole story :lol: ) I played H*ll getting the old screws out - the shanks were completely rotted already. Apparently galvanized is no longer good enough.

Pro carpenters out there....any thoughts?

Duff :whistle:

Thanks Gentleman! you too butch! :omg:

Duff I had a simular situation a couple years ago myself and checked into what you said and found that they are now making coated deck screws for treated lumber that are like gauranteed for 50 years. If you look on top of that beam you will see coated screws there are only a handfull of nails used anywhere on the horse barn everything is screwed and predrilled before screwed thats why you see somany drills around in the jobsite.

I have been told the reason there is a chemical reaction is because of constant moisture of the decks treated lumber being outside in the weather. I have also heard that the chemical in the treated lumber doesn't like the zinc in the galvanized coating :dunno: I donot belive in the dry there will be a problem. :whistle:

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