Raider 12 or C-100...Whats the difference?

[A-Aron 0]

Looking at buying a Raider 12 or C-100. Is one better than the other? Aside from engine size, what are the differences? Thanks.

 

[ebinmaine 78,607]

What year is the Raider 12? Are they both automatic or manual?

[702854boy 718]

A C-100 is an 8 speed with a 10 horse power motor. It has an 8 pinion open differential in it and the attach a matic style hitch and mule drive. A Raider 12 is a 6 speed with a 10 pinion limited slip differential if original. It has a 12 horse power motor and the earlier style mule drive and mid hitch. As far as better than one or the other, that all depends on what you are doing. Essentially the 8 speed and 6 speed are the same transmission,, just different names and differentials. They both still has 6 forward speeds and 2 reverse speeds. Edit: If the C-100 is an automatic which I was not thinking about until @ebinmaine posted about it, it would have a hydrostatic transmission instead of the 8 speed

Edited 2 hours ago by 702854boy

[ebinmaine 78,607]

Just now, 702854boy said:

Raider 12 is a 6 speed

 

That's only true from 1968 through 1969.

1970, 1971 and 72 they had an 8-speed.

 

1970 and 71 should have limited slip differential. 1972 might not.

 

It seems like semantics and minutia but they are different and it should be acknowledged for the sake of clarity and the possibilities of ordering parts in the future.

 

[702854boy 718]

3 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

1970 and 71 should have limited slip differential. 1972 might not.

 

I thought they had the limited slip until 73 when they went to the no names

[Handy Don 16,451]

I’ll chip in that the difference between 10 and 12 horsepower matters only if your use case regularly needs maximum power.

Also, don’t overvalue the Limited Slip Differential. Its performance is almost indiscernible from an 8-pinion open diff in most regular usage. 

[ebinmaine 78,607]

5 minutes ago, 702854boy said:

I thought they had the limited slip until 73 when they went to the no names

72 could go either way

 

1 minute ago, Handy Don said:

I’ll chip in that the difference between 10 and 12 horsepower matters only if your use case regularly needs maximum power.

Also, don’t overvalue the Limited Slip Differential. Its performance is almost indiscernible from an 8-pinion open diff in most regular usage. 

 

 

I think snow plowing is going to be the biggest difference there. Also if someone was to attempt mowing going slightly uphill on wet grass? We don't do that here so I don't know but that's another possible scenario I could think of.

[702854boy 718]

I have the 6 speed in my 854 so I have the limited slip in it and I'm not too hard on it so I'm not worried about it breaking yet, I mainly just drive around, mow, tow trailers, occasional dirt plowing and discing, and then the limited slip and 8 horse engine was a beast for plowing snow last winter, I rarely spun, and I usually ran out of traction before running out of engine.

[sqrlgtr 2,794]

I know the 10 pinion limited rears don't get much love, but the one on my 857 works great and I can tell a big difference in traction especially in snow or garden or pulling brush up hill etc. I said all that to say I wouldnt let one or the other sway me in my decision making. The later mule drives and hitchs are leaps and bounds better than the others IMO. 

[Ed Kennell 45,926]

          The major difference I would be concerned about is the different deck drive systems.   That Raider 12s  obsolete side drive vs the C-100s current front mule drive.

 

[Handy Don 16,451]

17 minutes ago, sqrlgtr said:

I know the 10 pinion limited rears don't get much love, but the one on my 857 works great and I can tell a big difference in traction especially in snow or garden or pulling brush up hill etc. I said all that to say I wouldnt let one or the other sway me in my decision making. The later mule drives and hitchs are leaps and bounds better than the others IMO. 

Not putting down the LSD--I went out of my way to get one!

Only suggesting one not have “Posi-Traction” expectations. LSD helps for sure, but to me, running chains and keeping weight on the wheels does more to limit slip. 😉

[sqrlgtr 2,794]

4 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

running chains and keeping weight on the wheels does more to limit slip. 😉

loaded tires and chains with the LSD is the ultimate in traction in my opinion. Far as being tough probably can't beat the 8-pinion open diff. though.

7 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

Only suggesting one not have “Posi-Traction” expectations

Mine works pretty well but my quit tomorrow  

[pfrederi 20,442]

The more modern Tachmatic on the C series is a better setup and opens door for more attachments.