New Pole Barn shop/garage/dojo building!!

[WHX?? 46,938]

No floor drain? 

[ebinmaine 63,340]

11 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

No floor drain? 

Drains don't meet code here....

 

[Rob J. 1,940]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

Drains don't meet code here....

 

You can cut one in afterwards. Cut the hole in the concrete, dig some sand out and fill with stone. Then insert the drain. Simple. They’ll never even know. For like snow melt from cars and what not. 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Rob J.

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

Drains don't meet code here....

 

 

Really?  wonder why not?  Maybe they're afraid someone will dispose of motor oil or something?

 

 

[oliver2-44 8,880]

1 hour ago, ebinmaine said:

Drains don't meet code here....

 

Pollutants can be spread out and run out the big door, but when you put a drain the become a measurable “Point Source” to monitor pollutants. 
 

PS. I’M retired and your making me remember all those industrial work rules. At the hydro plants we could not wash vehicles in the parking lot because the soapy runoff concentrated in a drain. Wash them in the grass and that was fine. 

[ebinmaine 63,340]

2 hours ago, WHX?? said:

No floor drain? 

The front half, at minimum, will be pitched ... Lucky for us that puts all the melting snow and ice right against the main entry door. 🙄

[ebinmaine 63,340]

Today's work was getting the tops of the interior walls built then all the walls at plumb every direction. 

More bracing both temporary and permanent was installed. 

The floor was partially compacted too.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

There's 4 of these PT diagonal braces to prevent racking.  

 

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

7 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

the tops of the interior walls built

 

  This looks like it was 'site built' and not a 'glue lam' ?

 

Looks like three pieces of 1X with plywood between.  I'm used to seeing the same with two pieces of 2X and plywood.

 

Is this also something to do with code up there in the frozen Nawt?

 

[ebinmaine 63,340]

9 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

   This looks like it was 'site built' and not a 'glue lam' ?

 

Looks like three pieces of 1X with plywood between.  I'm used to seeing the same with two pieces of 2X and plywood.

 

 

You're correct in that it's site built.  

It's 3 pieces of 2 x 12 sandwiching 2 pieces of ½ plywood. Totals out to the same 5½ that the 6 x 6 PT is. 

Lots of builders use these up here.

IMHO... Glue or laminated beams are the work of office basd architects that don't handle the material. 

MUCH less expensive than a glue beam. MUCH easier to handle because they can be built right in place instead of needing to hire extra hands or even a crane.  

In this particular case they fastened a piece or two of the plywood to the KD boards and hefted them into place. Then kept passing up whatever's needed. 

[Rob J. 1,940]

6 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

You're correct in that it's site built.  

It's 3 pieces of 2 x 12 sandwiching 2 pieces of ½ plywood. Totals out to the same 5½ that the 6 x 6 PT is. 

Lots of builders use these up here.

IMHO... Glue or laminated beams are the work of office basd architects that don't handle the material. 

MUCH less expensive than a glue beam. MUCH easier to handle because they can be built right in place instead of needing to hire extra hands or even a crane.  

In this particular case they fastened a piece or two of the plywood to the KD boards and hefted them into place. Then kept passing up whatever's needed. 

Yeah that standard practice here in Michigan too. 

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

9 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Totals out to the same 5½ that the 6 x 6 PT is. 

 

Ohhhhh....  yeah.... never mind!  I saw 4x4 uprights!  So yeah, now I get it.

 

Site built is standard here also, but what threw me was that I saw 4x4.

 

 

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

15 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Glue or laminated beams are the work of office basd architects

 

Sometimes you need them though.  I removed a load bearing wall and opened the rooms up.  A pair of 2X12's would not have held the weight of the span.

The only way we could do this was with a bigazz glue lam, and lemmee tellya, that suckah was HEAVY!!!!

That was the last century, now they would probably spec a steel I-beam.  Just as heavy (perhaps more) but also stronger.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2022 by Jeff-C175

[lynnmor 6,817]

3 hours ago, WHX?? said:

No floor drain? 

I built my 1-1/2 story, 2 car garage/workshop just before the code Nazis took over.  I put in a grease pit with a floor drain, Since I used it for business there was always the chance of an environmental inspection which would have caused the pit to be dug out, soil to be disposed of and then filled in.  They call a floor drain like that an injection well around here.

[ebinmaine 63,340]

49 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

.  A pair of 2X12's would not have held the weight of the span.

Oh heck no. 

These are meant to be supported every 8 to 10 feet. 

Wide span open area around here means a steel beam or storage trusses like we're using for the second floor.  

 

[Handy Don 10,660]

3 hours ago, Jeff-C175 said:

removed a load bearing wall and opened the rooms up

We did something similar but they installed a "flitched" beam because we asked NOT to have a visible beam dividing the space. It was a trio of 2x's with steel plates sandwiched between them using lots of bolts. They were able to prepare it on the floor (including a pre-load upward bend!) and then assemble it in place having built a bunch of bracing to hold stuff up while they worked.

Engineer showed me his calculations and I was pleased to see the 3x margin of standard design load and 6x for maximum design load. The fire underwriter rating on that was better than a plain steel beam, too, since the steel was "insulated".

Edited September 28, 2022 by Handy Don

[rjg854 10,766]

23 hours ago, rjg854 said:

Is the concrete only being used in the center section?

@ebinmaine

[ebinmaine 63,340]

18 minutes ago, rjg854 said:

@ebinmaine

Yessuh.  

 

The two outside sections under the shed roofs will remain gravel/stone for now.

[ebinmaine 63,340]

On 9/28/2022 at 8:57 AM, rjg854 said:

@ebinmaine

And here you go...

 

 

[SylvanLakeWH 24,234]

Wet concrete???

 

Where are your initials and the obligatory paw print???

 

  logo???

 

 

[Racinbob 10,389]

I've been sitting in the shadows watching this thread. This is a well thought out build and there's been a lot of great ideas. 👍 

[Handy Don 10,660]

Those concrete guys make it look so easy. Well, been there and done that and it isn't. Looking good there, EB.

[ebinmaine 63,340]

39 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

Wet concrete???

 

Where are your initials and the obligatory paw print???

 

  logo???

 

 

The BBT and I haven't made up our minds if we will sign it or not. We didn't do the work..

Wheel Horse logo is an interesting idea.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

Those CONCRETE GUYS make it look so easy. Well, been there and done that and it isn't. Looking good there, EB.

The guys doing this job are "start to finish"  builders.

The owner of the company and select members of his crew are the ones that do the concrete work.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Racinbob said:

I've been sitting in the shadows watching this thread. This is a well thought out build and there's been a lot of great ideas. 👍 

 

Much appreciated Bob.

 

I'd like to remind everybody that ever reads this sentence that Trina and I got most of the thoughts for this build from this very website and its members.

 

 

[wallfish 15,960]

6 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

We didn't do the work

That never stopped us kids when the new sections of sidewalks were fixed! Just say'n

I go in some pretty old houses and it's kind of cool to see the people names and dates in the old concrete

[ebinmaine 63,340]

3 minutes ago, wallfish said:

 

I go in some pretty old houses and it's kind of cool to see the people names and dates in the old concrete

 

Absolutely agreed.

 

Whether we initial it or not the date will definitely be in there.

I'd kinda like the builders themselves to do it... 

[Oldskool 6,585]

Inside one of the walls of our house there is a piece of plywood fastened between 2 studs.

On that piece of plywood is the ground breaking date,date the house was started, the date that piece of plywood  was installed in the wall.

It also has as much knowledge as I could muster about the history of the property and previous owners.. Last but not least it has the signatures and town of every person that helped me build the house. It should make for an interesting time capsule.