TRANDENSER II ELECTRONIC IGNITION ?

[Wheelhorse#1 1,813]

Anyone here have this system installed.It’s supposed to save and extend the life of your points.Interested in what y’all think ?

 

 

https://www.kirkengines.com/#Products

 

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

I like it!  They seem to think IGBT technology is some sort of magic, but it's not really.  Basically, an IGBT is a FET 'front end' driving a standard bi-polar transistor 'back end' in a single package.  They switch on/off a little bit faster, but that's not really a big deal with the speed that ignition systems operate.  Still, a neat idea.  I might actually give it a shot...

 

I see they have other products too.  The crankshaft balancer looks interesting.

 

Prices not too bad!

 

Edited November 20, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[Wheelhorse#1 1,813]

I think it might be worth giving it a try too.One thing ,it should reduce the amount of time one may spend adjusting and cleaning points since voltage is reduced =less heat and maybe dial in the timing.

Possibly  someone here may have installed it,see if they were happy with it.

 

The other products are cool too.I guess it’s ok to post a link to this stuff.I’m not affiliated in anyway just thought it was  neat idea.

[ebinmaine 71,827]

@PeacemakerJack

I sort of remember Josh mentioning this ignition at one time. 

 

I've read about them in the past but never used them. 

From what I understand the big benefit is in the hot coil combined with the transdenser. 

 

The pulling crowd may have more info. 

@fast88pu @stevebo

 

 

[Gregor 4,847]

"An integral LED static timing light provides a simple way of setting ignition timing precisely."

 

That part intrigues me. I would like to see a video on doing this. I did find this Taryl on Kirk Trandenser.    It does not show the timing method though.

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

6 hours ago, Gregor said:

like to see

 

It would have to be only a 'static' method that shows when the points are open or closed.

 

Actually Taryl does explain it at around 4:20 in the vid.

 

One could do the same thing with a multimeter on a standard setup.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[ebinmaine 71,827]

I like the idea of this electronic ignition and the fact that it lowers the possibility of wear and tear and I'm all for that.

 

I guess what I'm wondering is, would be really worth it to spend the money?

 

You're looking at $42 to $45 depending on taxes in your state.

 

You can buy 3 sets of points for that, give or take.

 

I've seen sets of Kohler points that had many many years of wear on them and all they needed was to be cleaned up just a hair with sandpaper.

 

IIFF it really does make it easier to start then I'm actually thinking about buying this for Cinnamon Horse C160 in particular. That engine is one seriously cold-blooded booger.

 

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

34 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

easier to start

 

I doubt that's from the device.  If it starts more easily I would say that is from the accurate timing done when installing.

[Gregor 4,847]

26 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

I would say that is from the accurate timing done when installing

I'm guessing most would not bother re-timing the engine using the Trandenser. Unless your flywheel has been cleaned up at some previous point, the timing marks can be impossible to find.

[ebinmaine 71,827]

48 minutes ago, Gregor said:

I'm guessing most would not bother re-timing the engine using the Trandenser. Unless your flywheel has been cleaned up at some previous point, the timing marks can be impossible to find.

Not that I'm an ignition expert.... I'd think it would be NECESSARY to time the transdenser to the flywheel. 

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

3 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

think it would be NECESSARY

 

There's really no difference between timing with standard points or the transdenser thingy.  

 

TRUE that one can usually set the points at 0.020 and it will be 'close enough'.  Engine will start and run.

 

BUT to get the PROPER ignition timing one MUST time according to the flywheel marks.

 

[Gregor 4,847]

I think if you swap out your condenser for the Trandenser, the points will fire when they always have, according to points gap.

[Jeff-C175 7,206]

6 minutes ago, Gregor said:

the points will fire when they always have, according to points gap.

 

That is true.  But have they always been CORRECTLY set?  

 

As I said, if you set the points to 0.020, you will be close.  In order to get it 'on the money' and get the best performance, you need to do the timing procedure with the flywheel marks.

Edited November 22, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[formariz 12,019]

I have an older version of the same thing from Kirk engines on a k301. From what I remembered when I installed it like 10 years ago it helps greatly in setting time since the little red light on it goes on . I believe one still basically sets timing the same way using flywheel and the module senses when points are adjusted to the correct opening. I may still have the original instructions to it. It came with a Bosch Blue Coil. I haven’t touched anything ignition wise on that tractor since.