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Joe Warren

A guy I know runs all his 4 cycle power equipment engines on 2 cycle fuel. He claimed it reduced engine wear. Aside from the added cost of the 2 cycle oil, are there other downsides. Just curious what you all think. 

 

Joe 

 

And now for the rest of the story: I spoke to the guy again. He was a mechanic at a place where they operate a lot of outdoor power equipment; with both 2 and 4 cycle engines. To prevent employees from putting straight gas into their 2 cycle machines, all their fuel got 2 cycle oil mix with it. For them, it was more economical to spend money on oil, than on blown engines and downtime. 

 

Thank for all the great posts. I found some to be very entertaining.

 

 

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Follow-up, added information.

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DennisThornton

I'd suspect some smoke and early fouled plugs.  2 cycles have to get all their lube oil from the fuel, 4 cycles don't since they have a crankcase.  What would the 2 cycle oil lube in a 4 cycle?  That the crankcase oil doesn't?  My 1.5 cents.

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stevasaurus

So, that is who is polluting the planet.  :confusion-confused:

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SylvanLakeWH

Smoke is the only impact I  see from doing it... :confusion-confused:

 

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Ed Kennell

When I winterize my boat motors, I drain and save  the mixed gas.    I save some for chain saws and string trimmers and the rest  I dump a gallon of the mixed in my vehicles when I fill the tanks.   The gas/oil ratio is then  1000/1.     No problems

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R Scheer

I've heard of people adding 2 cycle oil if they're starting the engine after sitting idle for a long time, but for normal use it sounds like a lot of smoke, fouled plugs, and carbon buildup in the cylinder head. 

 

JMHO

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Pullstart

Is this premixed from jugs, or two cycle out of a can fuel?  I imagine a hotter plug might take care of the excess oil.  After all, a 4 stroke with worn rings likely burns more than 40:1...

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lynnmor

I needed to move my Dads tractor, with an Onan, after he passed but it was out of gas.  All that was there was an old mix for his chainsaw so I dumped that in, I expected to see a lot of smoke but their was none, it did run poorly though.

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gwest_ca

We could not get Marvel Mystery oil in Canada for a couple of years because their labels did not meet requirements. I used 2-stroke oil instead and could not see any difference.

 

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Gregor
3 hours ago, DennisThornton said:

What would the 2 cycle oil lube in a 4 cycle?  That the crankcase oil doesn't? 

Carburetor innards maybe? Upper rings? How do the valve guides get oil in a 4 stroke? IDK  I'm just throwing out ideas. I have seen what happens when you str8 gas a 2 cycle. You don't want to do that. :angry-nono:

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gwest_ca

I use it to lube the valve stems. There is a bit of a skip in the exhaust without it and gone with it.

 

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DennisThornton
1 hour ago, Gregor said:

Carburetor innards maybe? Upper rings? How do the valve guides get oil in a 4 stroke? IDK  I'm just throwing out ideas. I have seen what happens when you str8 gas a 2 cycle. You don't want to do that. :angry-nono:

Cylinder walls get splashed with oil so the rings run through that.  I assume the same for the valve guides.

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TJ Salyers

If you like smoke go for it:auto-layrubber:

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bc.gold

Ashless 2-Cycle Engine Oil

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Gregor

My dad was an airplane mechanic in the Air Force. He claimed MMO was the best thing that ever happened to an engine.

8 hours ago, gwest_ca said:

We could not get Marvel Mystery oil in Canada for a couple of years

 

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Skipper

I use Castrols fully synthetic 2 stroke oil at end of season on often used machines, and always in machines that just sit a long time between use. It stabilize the fuel very very well. I have not had a single carb issue since I started using it. Buy the right stuff, and there is zero smoke, smell or fouling. Only thing I can imagine it also does, is lube the engine a bit more. That newer was a bad thing though...........

 

But why don't you just buy some chemicals in a can and mix in instead? you might ask.

 

Well, I can use something that surely wont harm the engine in any way, perhaps even just help it a little instead, or I can try my luck with some jug of chemical miracles............. I know what I favor :-)

 

Just my :twocents-02cents: and experience, over the last 4 years and a lot of machines that get stored for many months before next fire up.

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ranger

I was always warned against adding extra oil to the ‘recommended’ ratio/mix in the older two stroke motor bikes, the reason given was, “More oil through the same size jet, means less petrol and a ‘weaker’ mix”. This was said to increase the risk of overheating, burned pistons and possible seizure! I shouldn’t think this would really apply to our horse’s power units under normal conditions, whatever they are? I suppose you can always adjust the mixture to suit? Add some Castrol ‘R’ to the tank, as we used to, to get the smell of the race track! 

P.S. Might mess up your 🐈  🙀

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JoeM

I figure the crankcase vent tube to the carburetor is plenty of oil vapor for the "top end"

 

Most two stroke oil would probably burn off. Don't forget the two stroker oil enters the crankcase on intake first. 

 

I figure most of my engines are going to out last me just using non e fuel. 

 

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Gregor

Sort of on topic. Maybe someone can answer this. On old 2 stroke Lawn boy engines there are several types of course. A C-19 has a piston with 3 rings. No,what I would call an oil ring, like you would find in a Kohler, just 3 basic rings. A D-600 only has 2. Just basic rings. You can swap the 2 ring piston, for the 3 ring piston, if you change the rod. The jug remains the same. If you do swap, you are to use a 32-1 mix, instead of the 16-1 mix, required by the 3 ring piston. I have never understood the why of this.    ???????

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bc.gold
52 minutes ago, Gregor said:

Sort of on topic. Maybe someone can answer this. On old 2 stroke Lawn boy engines there are several types of course. A C-19 has a piston with 3 rings. No,what I would call an oil ring, like you would find in a Kohler, just 3 basic rings. A D-600 only has 2. Just basic rings. You can swap the 2 ring piston, for the 3 ring piston, if you change the rod. The jug remains the same. If you do swap, you are to use a 32-1 mix, instead of the 16-1 mix, required by the 3 ring piston. I have never understood the why of this.    ???????

 

Rings also act as scrapers with the 3 ring piston the richer 16:1 mix was required to leave sufficient lubricating film on the cylinder wall.

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Pullstart

Anyone ever heard of adding a splash of ATF to their fuel or oil?  I’ve mentioned this before but a high school auto shop teacher taught me.  ATF has a high level of detergents in addition to extra lubrication properties.  I am never afraid to run as much as a quart in a full tank of auto fuel.  A little less mixture to small engines, based in tank size of course.

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Gregor
2 minutes ago, pullstart said:

Anyone ever heard of adding a splash of ATF to their fuel or oil?

I have often wondered if MMO is ATF.

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chucksterock

I mix my leftover race gas mix 50:50 with straight gas to burn up the old mixed fuel.  Smells really good mowing with more than a hint of race gas and no smoke.  I run Klotz super techniplate oil which is a mix of synthetic and castor.  Plus the wife likes the smell too.

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tom2p

I will sometimes dump a little premix in the tank of the Wheel Horse tractors when I fill them ... just a small amount 

 

on a Kohler powered 312 and an Onan powered 416 

 

been doing this for over 20 years 

 

have anyone compared a 2 stroke fuel system (carb, lines, tank) to a 4 stroke ... ? ... after sitting ?

 

a little oil goes a long way 

 

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