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Hi all,

Looking at a 1986 417a with the Koehler series 2 motor which has 750hrs on it. Runs good but needs charging system looked at since it doesn't charge battery.

Comes with nice 48 deck. 

 

Seems like a decent machine and it's priced right.

 

I CAN'T go wrong for the price of this package but what should I look for tomorrow when I see it in person?

I know the usual suspects like plugs and compression test, but any info is greatly appreciated!

 

Thanks Cory 

 

 

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A usual watch out is checking the strength of the transmission. If allowed see if you can make the tires spin when the fromt wheels are stopped against an immovable object. 

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417-A is a great machine. Chances are the voltage regulator is bad. You can download a kohler manual if you get it. Good luck. I love mine.

 

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       :text-yeahthat:  The 417A should have the Eaton 1100.   One of the best hydros made.    My 417s feel and sound as strong as the 520s.

 

 

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My 418-C was not charging when I bought it, turns out the wires to the regulator fell off, plugged it in and all is well.

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:text-yeahthat:  What they said, and.......

 

Look for leaks in the hydraulics. Test hydro unit as mentioned (a strap around a tree will do just fine). Test engine and observe the oil. No filter, so they like it fresh and brand new. Look for leaks around the transaxle.

 

I had a 417A, and it was the best classic WH I have ever had, and I have had my share ;-) 

 

Many ain't fans of those old Kohlers, but I just adore them. Take good care of em, and they will just go on and on and on.........

 

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Take a voltage meter with you the charging system is fairly easy to check out.

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Another way to check the transmission and transaxle is to place it against a curb. It should spin the tires on the asphalt/concrete.

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Well, I went to look at the 417 today. Seems in decent shape but it is not currently running. The Model tag is worn off but I did take a pic of the engine serial #. I know it's a series 2 Koehler. 

 

The seller wants to get rid of a lot of parts as well. Very Nice 48" deck.  2 seat pans one being excellent shape. A complete front end off a 91 520 (without gear reduction)

2 rear rims and nice tires. Complete Eaton 1100 from 91 520. Lots of misc parts. 

 

The engine runs but doesn't hold a charge. 

 

Cory

350 for all. 

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Also a 12hp magnum Kohler. Here's a couple more pics...

 

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:dunno: Send me his contact info.  

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Posted (edited)

Thats a no brainer.........SAY YES!! :D

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:rolleyes: I will.  

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I wouldn’t have taken pictures of it until I got it home 👍

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Image result for buy it!

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Ok, ok, ok! I bought it! Lol

It's 40 mins away and I'm getting him an oem oil filter for his 97 520h.(i live close to a dealer here in Erie Pa).  His oil filter boot wasn't around the oil filter.

This was a great trip to see this tractor, the seller is a WH fan like us and is looking to downsize a bit. 

I had a great time talking with him. 

 

Should be here next week as the seller is out of town until Tuesday.

 

Cory

 

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I have tons of questions about the kohler motor. Doesn't it look like it has a points ignition? I personally haven't had to deal with that before. 

Any ideas about the year of this tractor?

 

Cory 

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Thanks @Ed Kennell

Is this considered a good motor? 

I have only dealt with the Onans and no Kohler engines. 

 

Cory 

It looks like it has points... I think I see a condenser in the pic of the top of engine

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13 minutes ago, Cee245 said:

Doesn't it look like it has a points ignition?

Yes it has points.

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I’d say that those engines are great. The gen 2s had a better oil system for longer engine life. 

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Thanks @953 nut

It looks like a condenser just lower right of points right?

 

Cory

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46 minutes ago, Cee245 said:

Thanks @953 nut

It looks like a condenser just lower right of points right?

 

Cory

Yes, that is the condenser.

I have a few of the K Twins to be used in future projects and one in my 418-C. Love the power and quiet operation.

The fuel pump on the twins is located on top of the engine (just under the coil) and can be a problem area, takes a lot of suction to lift the gas that high. I installed an electric low pressure fuel pump on mine and it starts a lot better than before.

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