Achto 29,351 #1 Posted November 12, 2016 Just picked up this Raider 12 today. The engine runs like a new clock. Retirement is not in it's near future. My plans are to do a full resto then she will be my user tractor. May get some use before the resto to work any bugs out. The hydraulic lift is a real nice feature. I have never saw one of these hydraulic pumps before. Were these factory or an after market add on? 17 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,441 #2 Posted November 12, 2016 Need a manual? Hydraulic pump is not original but very well done. Garry 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hacksawhero123 351 #3 Posted November 13, 2016 That pump looks like a sturdy unit. I've never seen one that compact with the valve body built on to it that way. With the pulley sizing it should have pretty good volume. Mark. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeacemakerJack 10,743 #4 Posted November 13, 2016 Great score Dan! That is nearly identical to the pump unit that IH used on their early gear drive tractors. Judges 100 has one. They work extremely well. I find it interesting that pump is made in Oshkosh, 12 miles from where I live! Any interest in plowing with that one? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,351 #5 Posted November 13, 2016 3 minutes ago, PeacemakerJack said: Any interest in plowing with that one? This was one of my main thoughts when I bought the tractor. Especially when I saw the hydro lift! Then 12hp and a 10 pinion rear end, I think it will make a great plow tractor. Was 3hrs on the road round trip to get it, but the price was right. 10 minutes ago, PeacemakerJack said: I find it interesting that pump is made in Oshkosh, 12 miles from where I live! I thought that was pretty cool too. Made in the town I drive to 5 days a week, to go to work. Not much info out there on these pumps though. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeacemakerJack 10,743 #6 Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) Sweet! Time for Jack, Caleb, and the boys to make a road trip over to your place and check it out in person. 34 minutes ago, achto said: This was one of my main thoughts when I bought the tractor. Especially when I saw the hydro lift! Then 12hp and a 10 pinion rear end, I think it will make a great plow tractor. AGREED! it would be super fun to plow with you up at symco with that tractor--if they can get the field conditions taken care of! Edited November 13, 2016 by PeacemakerJack 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,351 #7 Posted November 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, PeacemakerJack said: Sweet! Time for Jack, Caleb, and the boys to make a road trip over to your place and check it out in person You guys are welcome any time! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WheelHorseNut 222 #8 Posted November 13, 2016 That is pretty cool! Awesome tractor. Question: does that put any stress on the flywheel or have any negative effects? Thanks! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,351 #9 Posted November 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, WheelHorseNut said: Question: does that put any stress on the flywheel or have any negative effects? I don't think it puts much stress on the wheel. Even at an idle the engine doesn't seem to work to raise the push plow. Running items off the fly wheel doesn't concern me at all really, Cub Cadet has driven their transmissions off of the fly wheel for a long time. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,498 #10 Posted November 13, 2016 Nice pick up, best of luck with it. Glenn 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WheelHorseNut 222 #11 Posted November 13, 2016 17 minutes ago, achto said: I don't think it puts much stress on the wheel. Even at an idle the engine doesn't seem to work to raise the push plow. Running items off the fly wheel doesn't concern me at all really, Cub Cadet has driven their transmissions off of the fly wheel for a long time. That's good to know. Would something like that be a viable replacement idea for say a D or a GT14 with a bad pump? Just thinking out loud -- don't mean to hijack your thread! - Jeff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,351 #12 Posted November 13, 2016 14 minutes ago, WheelHorseNut said: Would something like that be a viable replacement idea for say a D or a GT14 with a bad pump? Just thinking out loud -- don't mean to hijack your thread! No problem Jeff, I'm not the one to answer that question though. I thought the GT14 used the same pump for the hydro drive & the hydraulic lift. I am not sure on that though. Not sure on where to find a pump like this either. I have found that these pumps were used by Montgomery Wards and Economy on some of their tractors. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeacemakerJack 10,743 #13 Posted November 13, 2016 Spot on Dan! Jeff--That is the beauty of the ported hydro tractors. Their hydrostatic drive pumps could also be used to control auxiliary hydraulics. The GD (gear drive) tractors don't have that ability since they don't have the built in pump. In order to have hydraulic lift, you needed to have an auxiliary pump and control valve to make it all work. I think it is a very cool aftermarket setup on Dan's tractor. I guess in the long run, it wouldn't make much sense to put an auxiliary pump on a hydrostatic drive tractor when you already have the fluid, pump, tank, etc for the drive system... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WheelHorseNut 222 #14 Posted November 13, 2016 12 minutes ago, PeacemakerJack said: Spot on Dan! Jeff--That is the beauty of the ported hydro tractors. Their hydrostatic drive pumps could also be used to control auxiliary hydraulics. The GD (gear drive) tractors don't have that ability since they don't have the built in pump. In order to have hydraulic lift, you needed to have an auxiliary pump and control valve to make it all work. I think it is a very cool aftermarket setup on Dan's tractor. I guess in the long run, it wouldn't make much sense to put an auxiliary pump on a hydrostatic drive tractor when you already have the fluid, pump, tank, etc for the drive system... Gotcha Jack! Yeah, I was just concerned about getting a D or GT14 and having the hydro fail and being left with a nice shiny red lawn ornament. I know the GT's have different transmissions than the D's (hydro gear versus piston) and the GT can be converted to utilize the other setup that is more rebuildable. I guess I was just thinking that it might be another option to get around a bad hydro pump. Thanks for all the info guys! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ed lincoln 33 #15 Posted November 13, 2016 Those hydraulic pumps are a extra option on the Monkey Ward/Gilson with a manual trans and belt driven under the seat next to the transmission. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,523 #16 Posted November 13, 2016 Very nice Horse! She'll find out soon enough. Perhaps you should find something to keep her occupied? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Retired Wrencher 5,766 #17 Posted November 13, 2016 Dan well done on the find. Should be a great worker for you or what ever what you decided. Enjoy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,351 #18 Posted November 13, 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, Tankman said: Very nice Horse! She'll find out soon enough. Perhaps you should find something to keep her occupied? I'm starting to get enough square hoods that she can't tell them apart. Just to be safe though I think a couple nice bottles of wine might smooth over the introductions. 17 hours ago, gwest_ca said: Need a manual? Thanks for posting the manual! Saved me a lil time looking for it. Edited November 13, 2016 by achto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FrKsHwZ 15 #19 Posted November 13, 2016 I like it the way it is now..! Good looking tractor. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,351 #20 Posted November 15, 2016 @gwest_ca, just noticed today that you added my serial number to the list. Thank you for that! I thought it was a '69, so you cleared that up for me too. Thanks again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,690 #21 Posted November 15, 2016 Now tell us the color of the seat that was on it... glad to se you let him keep it! That one was on my radar for quite some time and had I know about the pump I would have looked at it more seriously. The seat turned me off and in the pictures on CL told a different story. Looks much better in the day light! You would think we would see more of those pumps around... anymore info on Century-Fox maker?? I have lived & worked in Oshkosh a good part of my life and never heard of them?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Achto 29,351 #22 Posted November 16, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, WHX9 said: Now tell us the color of the seat that was on it... glad to se you let him keep it! That one was on my radar for quite some time and had I know about the pump I would have looked at it more seriously. The seat turned me off and in the pictures on CL told a different story. Looks much better in the day light! You would think we would see more of those pumps around... anymore info on Century-Fox maker?? I have lived & worked in Oshkosh a good part of my life and never heard of them?? When I went to look at the tractor it had a fairly nice JD yellow seat on it. Well, seems it wasn't bolted very well I was nice enough to let the guy keep it. I have done a fair amount of research on the Century-Fox pump and not come up with much. Even my Mom who's in her 80's and was born & raised in Oshkosh did not recognize the name. There is a company in Waukesha called Ram Pac that made a very similar unit, in fact a lot of the parts interchange. I have found parts available through a Bolens dealer on line. Evidently along with Gilson, Montgomery Wards, an Economy, Bolens also used these pumps. As long as the pump gears don't go bad it looks like I can rebuild most of the pump if need be. I guess before you pass up a different brand you might want to look it over and see if there is some thing you can adapt from it. If you find one of these pumps make sure you pay attention to the rotation of the pump, they made them for both rotational directions. Edited November 16, 2016 by achto 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,690 #23 Posted November 16, 2016 This is true Dan... I did a little research on that pump and came up blank..maybe Josh knows something?? @PeacemakerJack I was thinking these units were made elsewhere and marketed by this Century-Fox??? Fox= Fox River??? for us locals?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeacemakerJack 10,743 #24 Posted November 16, 2016 Well-- did some quick research because "inquiring minds" want to know! I found an ad placed by them in the Oshkosh Northwestern in July 1967. They were located at that time at 422 Marion Road which was that totally dumpy industrial area along the north side of the Fox river (you guessed it Jim!) SW of the the UWO campus. Remember where all the bars were and the old blue Radford building was? All of those buildings are gone now, replaced by the government assisted housing and the face lifted buildings. Apparently, these pumps were used in the tube frame Bolens tractors of the mid to later 60's as well as the Power King compact tractors or the same time period. Their telephone number was 231-4255. I'll bet you they won't be on the other end if you try calling it I'm amazed that a company like that was located right here and yet there is so little info left about it. It really makes me wonder if they produced those pumps as Jim was saying or if they were a third party seller 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,690 #25 Posted November 16, 2016 11 hours ago, achto said: different brand you might want to look it over and see if there is some thing you can adapt from it Will have to remember that when perusing the bone yards then guys if I see older Bolens & PK's. Interesting ... I know exactly where you are talking about Josh...way before my time tho! On 11/12/2016 at 5:36 PM, achto said: Were these factory or an after market add on? The way that bracket looks Dan aftermarket??? Doesn't look homemade and pretty nifty the way it fits in there. On 11/12/2016 at 6:55 PM, achto said: Was 3hrs on the road round trip to get it, And you mighta drove right by my house to get it ...if I wasn't rustling myself I would have rode shotgun! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites