99 314-8 Kohler Command

[AHS 1,675]

History of the machine; 11/25 i got it from up North, from the original owner. It hadn’t ran in 6 years, so i cleaned all the mouse nests out, (it was full of mouse nests!) , started it. It runs 100%. It’s got 464 hrs on it! The only issue with it, was the starter (so i thought!). I would go to start it up and the starter would engage but the motor wouldn’t turn, and then i would turn the key off and to start for a little bit until it got over that stroke and then it would start just fine! I figured the starter had mouse crap all in it, so i replaced it yesterday. It’s been thru 3 starters!?!? United technologies automotive was the starter i took out it, (it doesn’t look like a kohler brand starter). So, the new starter does the exact same thing!

 

Now hears what i think! The original owner must have had stating issues with it at some point, so he replaced the starter. It must be the solenoid, the +/- system, the key switch or the compression release of the motor? Im stumped! Has anybody had this issue? 

 

My next thing has got to be replaced the solenoid and check for cracked wires?

[ebinmaine 78,811]

2 minutes ago, AHS said:

I would go to start it up and the starter would engage but the motor wouldn’t turn, and then i would turn the key off and to start for a little bit until it got over that stroke and then it would start just fine

 

 

Are indicating that you're "bumping" the starter to get the engine past a certain point? 

 

If so, I'd look at the timing (if adjustable) or maybe a valve adjustment? 

 

[Gasaholic 375]

1. I'd start off with a voltage drop test to identify potential bad grounds, and then I'd check compression for being in spec (compression release failure) and likely discover the issue somewhere between those 2 tests.

[953 nut 66,051]

Lots of replacement parts are purchased and installed that weren't needed because no one bothered to diagnose the actual problem. You need to take a systematic approach to find the actual problem.

  

Why won’t my starter turn over from the key switch?\

Lets take a logical step by step inspection of your starter problem.

Is your PTO in the ON position, a wheel horse will not start with the PTO on.

Have you had the battery load tested at an auto parts store?

Have you cleaned and tightened all electrical connections including grounds?

Are all fuses good and fuse holders cleaned?

If these have all been done, we can check components of the starting system as follows; don’t skip a step or you may miss the problem.

Be sure the transmission is in neutral and the parking brake is set.

Take a pair of automotive jumper cables and connect the black cable to your battery  "-" and a good clean spot on the engine. Now connect the other cable to the large post on the starter and touch the other end to the battery "+" terminal, does the starter turn over? If the starter turns over the battery and starter are good. If it didn't turn over try the same steps with the battery in your car/truck, if that cures the problem then the "good" battery wasn't so good.

Presuming the starter turned over move the jumper wire from the starter post to the other end of the wire going to the starter which is one of the large posts on the solenoid. If the starter turns over when the battery is touched by the jumper as before then that cable is good, if not you have found your problem.

Presuming the starter turned over move that jumper to the other terminal of the solenoid, connect the other end to the battery and use a small piece of wire to temporarily connect the battery "+" terminal to the small terminal on the solenoid, this should cause the solenoid to close and the starter to turn over. If not, the solenoid is probably the problem.

If this was successful remove the large jumper cable and use the small jumper wire to the small terminal of the solenoid, the solenoid should close and the starter turn over. If not the cable to the battery is the problem.

Presuming all of these have been successful remove the black jumper wire and repeat the small jumper to small terminal, if the starter turns over the ground is good.

If all of these components test good then remove your ignition switch, be sure the transmission is in neutral, parking brake on, clutch depressed and PTO off. Use a small jumper to connect the terminals that were connected to the “B” and “S” terminals of the ignition switch. If the starter turns over then the PTO switch and other safety switches are operating properly and your ignition switch may be bad.

[squonk 46,550]

Clean the starter mounting pads on the starter and where it bolts on the engine. Check and clean the ground cable.