C-Series Hybrid Idea

[Easton Rich 790]

Since I’ve got TONS of extra parts, I have been thinking about what to do with them. I had this idea that I could make a C-Series hybrid tractor. I’d like to have electric clutch, hydraulics, forward swept axle and gear reduction steering, Eaton 1100 or 5091 8spd? Maybe C-195 3pt? I don’t know what else I could do, but my end goal is to have a tractor I can plow, till, harrow, and snowblow with. I’ll get pictures soon of my parts selection.

[ri702bill 10,958]

Electric clutch - why so??

[Easton Rich 790]

I’ve never had one on a tractor, and I wanted to experiment. This thread is for feedback because you guys have way more knowledge than I do.

[ri702bill 10,958]

Depending on the implement being driven by the PTO, the instantaneous engagement of an electric clutch may be an issue; better done with the traditional lever type where you can ease into it. All I use are lever style. My ...

[Ed Kennell 44,084]

                                 Agree with Bill.  I addition to bringing gold prices if you can find one this was not a good Wheel Horse idea.

I understand the need for idiot safety switches, but IMO, the original PTO engagement lever used on the Raiders was the best.

Looking forward to seeing this build.

[kpinnc 16,514]

2 hours ago, ri702bill said:

Depending on the implement being driven by the PTO, the instantaneous engagement of an electric clutch may be an issue; better done with the traditional lever type where you can ease into it.

 

Soft start clutch controller works well for this issue. I've used one for 8 years and it works great. 

 

2 hours ago, Easton Rich said:

I’d like to have electric clutch, hydraulics, forward swept axle and gear reduction steering, Eaton 1100 or 5091 8spd? Maybe C-195 3pt?

 

I didn't use hydraulics on this one but it can be done! Not a C-series but has alot of those parts in it. 

 

[Easton Rich 790]

31 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

Soft start clutch controller works well for this issue. I've used one for 8 years and it works great. 

 

 

I didn't use hydraulics on this one but it can be done! Not a C-series but has alot of those parts in it. 

 

Is there a build thread on this one?

[Easton Rich 790]

I can see how electric wouldn’t work. The immediate start would cause belt slippage. Now I know!

[ri702bill 10,958]

41 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

Soft start clutch controller

These allow a more controlled, less violent engagement. As I recall, they are aftermarket, not Factory offered.

[ebinmaine 76,501]

3 hours ago, Easton Rich said:

I’d like to have *******,

forward swept axle and gear reduction steering, *****

 8spd

 

Things I'm doing to my '74 C160-8 currently. 

Also a larger steering wheel, new low back seat, and Briggs vanguard swap.  

Previous mods included 24x12.00-12 tires on wide rear wheels. 

 

I'll be looking forward to your progress. 

 

Manual vs hydro transmission is a personal preference. 

Seems the majority like a manual for rototilling. 

Snow plowing could go either way.  

I've gotten used to a hydro with hydro lift for plowing because of my VERY heavy plow. 

Trina wouldn't be caught on a hydro unless her manual tractors are buried or broken. 

 

For any other usage we both highly prefer a manual transmission. 

 

Adding a hydro lift to a manual transmission tractor is certainly possible but obviously starting out with a hydro transmission and hydro lift would be beneficial.  

 

 

 

[kpinnc 16,514]

1 hour ago, Easton Rich said:

Is there a build thread on this one?

 

Yes.

 

Frokenstien Build

 

 

[midpack 1,084]

4 hours ago, ri702bill said:

These allow a more controlled, less violent engagement. As I recall, they are aftermarket, not Factory offered.

I have a soft start module on a Magnum 18 with an electric PTO. It makes a huge difference. I originally ran it with a manual PTO so I knew exactly how much of a difference it made.

[kpinnc 16,514]

These are what I use on my Scag zero turn and it is awesome. They work with any engine, and are simple to wire up.

 

You wrap the sense wire around a spark plug wire, so it engages based on the RPM of the engine. 

 

Soft start clutch controller

[Easton Rich 790]

Wow, I’ll definitely look into it. How much does it cost? The website didn’t say

[kpinnc 16,514]

4 hours ago, Easton Rich said:

Wow, I’ll definitely look into it. How much does it cost? The website didn’t say

 

I paid about $50 for mine, but that was several years ago. 

[ri702bill 10,958]

Just Googled it - costs over $100 now...

[midpack 1,084]

That makes it tougher to bite the bullet.

They do work well IMO

[peter lena 9,642]

@Easton Rich   rotational drag  is the issue , when you  minimise that , the difference is amazing .  often refer to  , my pto  driven belt to the mule drive , easily moving by hand , to attachment .  another glairing  bearing hang up  is BELT FRAYING  , caused by incremental  spindle stoppage , causing  BELT BOUNCE  ,  as you can see  I am suggesting  , verifying  and insuring  smooth / easy  pulley / bearing  movement . there are a number of  related bearings  in those pulleys . with ceiling fan lubrication , grease , that consistently  , whine  with noise . @midpack    has the cure with the soft start  , module , would check that out  , wheel horse  , lever /  linkages , are at best minimal , small improvements , make a world of difference , good luck with that  , pete        

[Easton Rich 790]

9 hours ago, ri702bill said:

Just Googled it - costs over $100 now...

Yeah, I think I’ll just put in a manual one. It’s not that big of a deal. I’m looking at a 520-H now with everything I need to do this (except 3pt). I’ll keep you guys updated on what happens! Oh, and you might be wondering, “Well what tractor is he gonna use?” That’s coming soon…

[ri702bill 10,958]

2 minutes ago, Easton Rich said:

“Well what tractor is he gonna use?”

Do it with style.... build a Round Hood!

[Easton Rich 790]

Ahhhh… I can see it now, a twin Onan round hood