midpack 1,048 #1 Posted Wednesday at 05:44 PM This is a new one on me, neither the tractor or trailer had any problems at all. I didn't even think it was a very heavy load. I was just moving stones. Modern metal maybe? 1 2 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midpack 1,048 #2 Posted Wednesday at 05:53 PM I had to take the tongue apart to get it out! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 16,486 #3 Posted Wednesday at 06:00 PM Modern metal meets man of steel (Wheel Horse). 1 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sparky-(Admin) 23,618 #4 Posted Wednesday at 06:17 PM Nope, haven’t bent one of those yet. How heavy was the load? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 73,947 #5 Posted Wednesday at 07:02 PM (edited) 3 hours ago, Sparky said: Nope, haven’t bent one of those yet. How heavy was the load? I've BENT the trailer tongue down but never the hitch pin. I think most of the trailers are only rated for 300 lb to 500 lb and that's assuming that 75 to 90% is on the axle and perfectly balanced on flat ground. Edited Wednesday at 09:42 PM by ebinmaine STOOOOPIDD AUTOCORRECT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 8,009 #6 Posted Wednesday at 07:43 PM That large space between holes added to the problem, you only need enough space to prevent binding when the terrain causes a great angle between the tractor and the toad. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midpack 1,048 #7 Posted Wednesday at 07:53 PM The trailer was about 1/3 full. I didn't think it was all that much of a load 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Chips 115 #8 Posted Wednesday at 08:01 PM (edited) 2 hours ago, midpack said: This is a new one on me, neither the tractor or trailer had any problems at all. I didn't even think it was a very heavy load. I was just moving stones. As @lynnmor mentioned, a narrower gap in the tongue would have put less bending load on the pin, but you probably already know that. Did the stones happen to slide and hit the back gate of the trailer and cause a sudden jerk on the pin? Here are some hefty ******s that we dug out when we excavated for the new garage foundation (spray can for scale). These, and several other stones of comparable size that we dug out are glacial 'erratics' that were resting on the bedrock (aka, ledge) that we poured the foundation on. Very common here in Maine. BTW, no Wheel Horse was abused in the process of making this pile. Edited Wednesday at 08:02 PM by Blue Chips 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pullstart 67,563 #9 Posted Wednesday at 09:21 PM 2 hours ago, ebinmaine said: I've been the trailer I can see BBT hitching up to you, Fred and Barney laughing all the way to the Bedrock Bank! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 73,947 #10 Posted Wednesday at 09:43 PM 21 minutes ago, Pullstart said: I can see BBT hitching up to you, Fred and Barney laughing all the way to the Bedrock Bank! I do love autocorrect 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 7,318 #11 Posted Wednesday at 09:59 PM That hitch pin was most likely hot rolled steel. Cold rolled steel would not have bent like that even with the wide space of the trailer hitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 73,947 #12 Posted Wednesday at 10:28 PM 2 hours ago, Blue Chips said: spray can for scale Them boulders equal alotta cans!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EB-80/8inPA 1,900 #13 Posted Wednesday at 10:49 PM 2 hours ago, Blue Chips said: These, and several other stones of comparable size that we dug out are glacial 'erratics' that were resting on the bedrock (aka, ledge) that we poured the foundation on. Very common here in Maine. They’re not the only erratic things to be found in Maine. 🤪 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Moonshine*Connoisseur 493 #14 Posted Thursday at 01:48 AM This accurately and visually explains Torque vs. horsepower 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Streetrodchev 921 #15 Posted Thursday at 01:53 AM (edited) Did the bottom of the hitch pin hit a rock (or something that didn’t want to move) and cause it to bend? It is a long pin and will hang low to snag on stuff. I see that much more likely than just a loaded trailer. Edited Thursday at 01:56 AM by Streetrodchev 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8ntruck 8,073 #16 Posted Thursday at 02:00 AM I'd guess an impact loading got applied somehow. Like @Streetrodchev says, maybe the trailer snagged on something. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 61,320 #17 Posted Thursday at 11:47 AM You would run out of traction long before bending a hitch pin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 16,486 #18 Posted Thursday at 11:48 AM (edited) That is not a hitch pin. It is all-thread. It's not tempered. It's too long. The longer it is, the easier it is to bend. I've had the same thing happen and my load was not heavy. Just my 2 cents Edited Thursday at 11:50 AM by rmaynard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lynnmor 8,009 #19 Posted Thursday at 11:52 AM 2 minutes ago, rmaynard said: That is not a hitch pin. It is all-thread. It's not tempered. It's too long. Th longer it is, the easier it is to bend. I've had the same thing happen and my load was not heavy. It’s kind of hard to see but I think that you are right. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 61,320 #20 Posted Thursday at 11:55 AM 5 minutes ago, rmaynard said: That is not a hitch pin. It is all-thread I don't see ant threads, must be a VERY FINE THREAD all-thread Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ineedanother 1,697 #21 Posted Thursday at 11:58 AM Nothing to do with the weight IMO. There was simply no way for the connection to articulate on both planes. The front of the tractor went up and the hitch had no way to compensate for the angle between it and the wagon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peter lena 9,374 #22 Posted Thursday at 12:29 PM @midpack looks like a simple LEVERAGE OVERLOAD to me , that pin was free to move and slide , when it finally found its , bind point , it was also at its weakest thrust angle , making it bend , actually you were lucky , not to have a fracture in the related transaxle set up , might snoop around for any other tracking. was assigned to the rigger shop , amazing how much if your thought is not on the issue , also having the correct alternative to go to . my old fly fishing buddy , was a rigger , could easily think out any movement set up . still have 12,000 lb lift straps , next time , snug up the pin slide point , pete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 16,486 #23 Posted Thursday at 01:02 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, 953 nut said: I don't see ant threads, must be a VERY FINE THREAD all-thread I guess we can ask @midpack Is this threaded? Edited Thursday at 01:07 PM by rmaynard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midpack 1,048 #24 Posted Thursday at 04:32 PM Nope, no threads. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
midpack 1,048 #25 Posted yesterday at 11:21 AM (edited) I'm going to use a shorter pin, I didn't feel the long one hit anything but I guess it could have. That makes more sense than the weight on the trailer. It took quite a bit of "hammer" to get the long one straightened out. Maybe I'll shorten it. As long as I can drill a new clip hole Edited yesterday at 11:24 AM by midpack Share this post Link to post Share on other sites