B-100 8 - axle seal won't stay in

[stevasaurus 23,303]

After checking around a little, I found this file which is for 1977 "B" & "C" 8 speed transmissions.  Check out the axle bearing part number for these transmissions.  Shows axle bearing #105912 with a seal #100443.  I have no idea what this #105912 looks like.  Could this be what @Bar Nuthin found ??

 

[wallfish 18,242]

11 minutes ago, stevasaurus said:

After checking around a little, I found this file which is for 1977 "B" & "C" 8 speed transmissions.

Very nice detective work Steve! They refer to everything else as "needle bearing" but not those.

 

Maybe Bar should measure those bushings and compare it to someone measuring the needle bearings for him. I'm going to guess that the needle bearings will still fit into the trans case and WH cheaped out on those lower cost model tractors. Doubtful they would change the dimensions of the trans case just for that bushing.  

[stevasaurus 23,303]

Right John.  The needle bearing that would be axle bearing in a #5091 would be a B-1816 and wouild measure 1 3/8" OD ---1 1/8" ID---and 1" high.  

[wallfish 18,242]

39 minutes ago, stevasaurus said:

Right John.  The needle bearing that would be axle bearing in a #5091 would be a B-1816 and wouild measure 1 3/8" OD ---1 1/8" ID---and 1" high.  

But wouldn't he would need the needle bearings with a 1" ID for that one?

[Racinbob 11,989]

The 76 & 77 B's had 1-1/8" axles. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:12 PM by Racinbob

[Bar Nuthin 1,124]

2 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

After checking around a little, I found this file which is for 1977 "B" & "C" 8 speed transmissions.  Check out the axle bearing part number for these transmissions.  Shows axle bearing #105912 with a seal #100443.  I have no idea what this #105912 looks like.  Could this be what @Bar Nuthin found ??

 

 

I've observed that as well, but this is the only reference I find to part # 105912. Perhaps they abandoned the ideal of a synthetic bushing. His model and serial would indicate a late 1976 build.

 

Edited Tuesday at 05:33 PM by Bar Nuthin

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,522]

The 100443 seal is for a 1-1/8" axle so the the 105912 bearing must be also.

105912 bearing has been replaced by 9416 bearing used 1980-1983 in the 103916 transmission.

The 103916 transmission was used 1978-1984

9416 also listed for the 1980 D-160 with a Sundstrand hydro.

[wallfish 18,242]

3 hours ago, Racinbob said:

The 76 & 77 B's had 1-1/8" axles. 

Ah HA. I thought all the Bs had 1" axles. Thanks

[Racinbob 11,989]

17 minutes ago, wallfish said:

Ah HA. I thought all the Bs had 1" axles. Thanks

The 74-75 years were 1" as well as being a medium frame (2" shorter wb). In 78 the B's became lawn tractors. 

[stevasaurus 23,303]

@Bar Nuthin  measure the depth of the hole where the bearing goes.  If you use a bearing that is 1" high, you will need at least 1 1/8" for room for the seal to sit flush with the end of the axle housing. 

Thanks @gwest_ca !

[Bar Nuthin 1,124]

3 hours ago, stevasaurus said:

@Bar Nuthin  measure the depth of the hole where the bearing goes.  If you use a bearing that is 1" high, you will need at least 1 1/8" for room for the seal to sit flush with the end of the axle housing. 

Thanks @gwest_ca !

Here are some better photos of the bushings. They appear to have the same dimensions as the 9416 needle bearings. The one on the right is the one that was wallered out and had shifted back into the housing (not in the machined area). The one on the left was seated where you would expect to see the bearing.

     

 

The machined area measures 1-1/8" deep. There's no lip at the back to stop the bearing, so I'm assuming it's just a matter of pressing the bearing in until you have room to install the seal???

I've seen posts about people putting the bearing in the freezer before installing. Any tips?  Ordered parts from Lowell, but it says he's at a show in Illinois, resuming shipping on 8/27

Edited yesterday at 02:03 AM by Bar Nuthin