71' Charger 12 Automatic Help.

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

Just purchased my first wheel horse. Dont know anything about them, Ive got more large tractors, so i thought itd be nice to get into garden tractors. I purchased a wheel horse Charger 12 Automatic, that came with a snow plow, And a snow blower. all 3 work fantastic. Except for one thing. It has an "Electric clutch" Switch on it, and no matter if its in the on or off position, The other two pulleys are spinning. What can i do about this? And then also, when i go to use the snow blower in the winter, What pulley on the electric clutch do i put it on? It has 2 i believe. I was told this was a rare bunch, as the snow blower was rare, and aparently, because this has a cigarette lighter on it, its rare too? I highly doubt so, i think the guy i bought it from put it on there. And while im here, If you have just some basic info or anything i need to look out for on these charger 12s, Please let me know. As i said, this is my first wheel horse. Thank you. 

[rjg854 12,156]

  A lot of the early 's had lighters on them, so it's not that rare, what makes them rare is that they are still there.  You can go to the document forum and download a manual for your model tractor.  You might have to do a bit of searching to find the correct model, but it's most likely there.  Your tractor looks to be in pretty decent shape.  The model number should be on the dash tower, that will aid your search.

[Ed Kennell 41,800]

to the   The Charger 12s were made from 1968-1972.

 

 

 

 

 

[moe1965 753]

Hello and welcome.   Wheel horse used two different oils in the automatic transmissions make sure you put the proper one in that is currently in the tractor there should be a sticker under the seat  letting you know which one or just pull the dip stick and look at the color of the oil. Being new to you tractor  I would change the Trans filter and oil.  The smaller pulley  is the one to use for the snow blower and the larger one for the mower deck. That's all I can help you with.    

[Ed Kennell 41,800]

19 minutes ago, moe1965 said:

dip stick and look at the color of the oil.

The  1971 Charger 12 has a Sundstrand 90-2046 transmission that probably came with ATF (pink color).    Many were later changed to 30 weight motor oil (amber color).   If the fluid looks foamy and milky, it contains water and should be drained and flushed.

Do not mix the two.

 

@ebinmaine has a list that you can use to check your new tractor.

Edited July 13 by Ed Kennell

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,450]

Welcome to Red Square.

 

Does the pulley spin without the engine running or always spin with the engine running?

There is a bearing in the clutch that allows the shaft to spin in the pulley. When the clutch is turned on the shaft and pulley are joined by friction and turn together.

 

Any model numbers and serial numbers on the attachments? The snowthrower appears to be a 1973 or later model when the front idler assembly shown was first used.

[ebinmaine 72,426]

12 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said:

The  1971 Charger 12 has a Sundstrand 90-2046 transmission that probably came with ATF (pink color).    Many were later changed to 30 weight motor oil (amber color).   If the fluid looks foamy and milky, it contains water and should be drained and flushed.

Do not mix the two.

 

@ebinmaine has a list that you can use to check your new tractor.

 

 

Here's that list. It covers all models possible so there's a LOT of information.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[pfrederi 18,638]

The pulleys on electric PTOs will spin even turned off (there is no brake).  However if there is a belt on them they will stop spinning in the off position. When you turn switch on you should hear a strong click and see a slight movement in the Clutch.

 

Interesting yo have the electric PTO  they normally came on Electros which also had hydro lift..

 

It is important to determine what type ignition system you tractor has.  Kohler used 3 different ignition systems on Chargers...Battery points....Magneto Points ...and Breakerless.  Do not make any wiring or ignition switch changes until you determine what style you have.  Incorrect wiring will fry components.  A picture of the engine from the left side would help us figure out what you have.

Edited July 13 by pfrederi

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

Heres the engine from the left. 12 Hp Kohler K301s 

[pfrederi 18,638]

Battery Points Ignition system. Do not have to worry about frying anything like yo could on a Magneto or breakerless.

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

1 hour ago, gwest_ca said:

Welcome to Red Square.

 

Does the pulley spin without the engine running or always spin with the engine running?

There is a bearing in the clutch that allows the shaft to spin in the pulley. When the clutch is turned on the shaft and pulley are joined by friction and turn together.

 

Any model numbers and serial numbers on the attachments? The snowthrower appears to be a 1973 or later model when the front idler assembly shown was first used.

pulley spins while the engine is running, never while its off. And that is with no attachments. I dont know where to find the id tag on the snow blower.

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

Just now, pfrederi said:

Battery Points Ignition system. Do not have to worry about frying anything like yo could on a Magneto or breakerless.

So does that mean that the pulley is gonna spin while no attachments? 

[pfrederi 18,638]

1 minute ago, FarmallFarmer09 said:

So does that mean that the pulley is gonna spin while no attachments? 

It will spin but if you put any drag on it it will stop.

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,450]

A list of the models to help you identify what you have. They will all fit and work on your tractor.

 

Front quick hitch introduced in 1973. Snowthrower rear frame has a 5/8" diameter round bar for the front quick hitch.

1973-74 model 6-6212 plus 6-9113

1974 model 6-6213 - (First model to include 8-0221 extensions without the front straight return - just a flat plate)

1975 model 6-6214 - (First model to include 8-0221 [103552 replaced by 93-1617 and 93-1617-01] side extensions with the front straight return. First model to have a cable spool on chute rotating crank) Chute crank support decal 104461.

1976 model 6-6215 ------ Chute crank support decal 104461. This one -

1976 model 66-42ST01 - Chute crank support decal 104461. and this one are likely identical. The model number format changed.

1977 model 76-42ST01 - Chute crank support decal 104461. This one

1978 model 86-42ST01 - Chute crank support decal 104461. and this one

1979 model 96-42ST01 - Chute crank support decal 104461. and this one may be all the same. They started using a different model number for each model year.

1980 model 06-42ST01 - (Last 42" model to use 4 grooved rollers for the chute)

1981-82 model 06-42ST02 - (First model to use plastic collar for the chute but was a retrofit for older models. Last model to use wheels)

1983 model 06-42ST03 - (First model to use skids)

1984-87 model 06-42ST04 - (Last model to use a 3/4" diameter driveshaft)

1987-89 model 06-42ST05 - (First model to use a 7/8" diameter driveshaft)

1990 model 06-42ST06 - (Last model to use a cable to turn the chute)

1991-93 model 06-42ST07 - (First model with tall chute retained by 3 individual grooved retainers)

1993-2001 model 79360 - (2001 and earlier will fit 2002-2007 with kit 105-1503) (1994 first year for replaceable blower housing scraper bar)

2002-2007 model 79362

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

15 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

It will spin but if you put any drag on it it will stop.

Sweet. Thank you so much! i really appreciate it. 

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

3 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

A list of the models to help you identify what you have. They will all fit and work on your tractor.

 

Front quick hitch introduced in 1973. Snowthrower rear frame has a 5/8" diameter round bar for the front quick hitch.

1973-74 model 6-6212 plus 6-9113

1974 model 6-6213 - (First model to include 8-0221 extensions without the front straight return - just a flat plate)

1975 model 6-6214 - (First model to include 8-0221 [103552 replaced by 93-1617 and 93-1617-01] side extensions with the front straight return. First model to have a cable spool on chute rotating crank) Chute crank support decal 104461.

1976 model 6-6215 ------ Chute crank support decal 104461. This one -

1976 model 66-42ST01 - Chute crank support decal 104461. and this one are likely identical. The model number format changed.

1977 model 76-42ST01 - Chute crank support decal 104461. This one

1978 model 86-42ST01 - Chute crank support decal 104461. and this one

1979 model 96-42ST01 - Chute crank support decal 104461. and this one may be all the same. They started using a different model number for each model year.

1980 model 06-42ST01 - (Last 42" model to use 4 grooved rollers for the chute)

1981-82 model 06-42ST02 - (First model to use plastic collar for the chute but was a retrofit for older models. Last model to use wheels)

1983 model 06-42ST03 - (First model to use skids)

1984-87 model 06-42ST04 - (Last model to use a 3/4" diameter driveshaft)

1987-89 model 06-42ST05 - (First model to use a 7/8" diameter driveshaft)

1990 model 06-42ST06 - (Last model to use a cable to turn the chute)

1991-93 model 06-42ST07 - (First model with tall chute retained by 3 individual grooved retainers)

1993-2001 model 79360 - (2001 and earlier will fit 2002-2007 with kit 105-1503) (1994 first year for replaceable blower housing scraper bar)

2002-2007 model 79362

Where on the snow blower so you think the id tag would be? 

[pfrederi 18,638]

They are a sticker and not always in the same place

 

 

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

not on there. Ill send a photo of the snow blower. I also got this lawn roller. I think its custom made, its like a concrete barrel that some guy attached to the frame.

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

Also in the photo of the snow blower i got, I also got another extra snow plow. i dont think it fits. I am going to sell it at my groups next tractor show. What can i get for it if i clean it up? Should i paint it? Will that bring more money?

[Ed Kennell 41,800]

1 hour ago, FarmallFarmer09 said:

What can i get for it if i clean it up?

In my area snow plows sell for $50 to $150 depending on condition.      Post a picture of the plow and all the levers, axle bracket, scraper bar.

[ebinmaine 72,426]

1 hour ago, FarmallFarmer09 said:

Also in the photo of the snow blower i got, I also got another extra snow plow. i dont think it fits. I am going to sell it at my groups next tractor show. What can i get for it if i clean it up? Should i paint it? Will that bring more money?

 

That appears to be a "Short Frame" plow. That'll fit several models in the early to mid 60s.  

 

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

1 minute ago, ebinmaine said:

 

That appears to be a "Short Frame" plow. That'll fit several models in the early to mid 60s.  

 

I noticed that. its too short to fit on mine. Does that make the value go up?

[ebinmaine 72,426]

11 minutes ago, FarmallFarmer09 said:

I noticed that. its too short to fit on mine. Does that make the value go up?

 

Depends on region/ show/ who's trying to buy.  

Up here in the northeast that's $100 to $200 depending on several variables.  

 

 

 

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,450]

Your snowthrower has the 4 grooved rollers that the chute turns in. That makes it 1980 or older. The side extensions you have were first used in 1975. Click on the fuzzy picture in this link. Have tried to capture VIN plates so we know where they are located but still difficult sometimes.

 

[FarmallFarmer09 4]

37 minutes ago, gwest_ca said:

Your snowthrower has the 4 grooved rollers that the chute turns in. That makes it 1980 or older. The side extensions you have were first used in 1975. Click on the fuzzy picture in this link. Have tried to capture VIN plates so we know where they are located but still difficult sometimes.

 

So does it need that bar under it? I dont think i have it with the blower. Ill go out to check really quick.