73 14hp Auto...

[sqrlgtr 621]

Was hoping someone would have a picture of the correct hydro belt engagement handle for this tractor. Here is a pic of what appears to be a homemade one that's on it now. I was thinking that it was a littlt different than the later models but may be the same. Hoping to find correct one at big show. 

[ebinmaine 71,758]

Likely something like this...

 

 

[sqrlgtr 621]

Yes I think that is what they looked like. The only other hydro machine I have is a GT14 and its made a little different, I think.

[sqrlgtr 621]

I assume someone cut belt guard trying to figure out how it was supposed to work . Thanks for pic.

[squonk 43,298]

I might have one of those levers. I'll have to look

[Ed Kennell 41,296]

5 minutes ago, sqrlgtr said:

I assume someone cut belt guard trying to figure out how it was supposed to work . Thanks for pic.

Probably too long of a belt that allowed the tensioner pulley to rub the belt guard.

[ebinmaine 71,758]

4 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said:

Probably too long of a belt that allowed the tensioner pulley to rub the belt guard.

 

Agreed.  I've had one here that had that..... issue.   

[sqrlgtr 621]

Might have been what happened. Never would have thought about that. What ever/who ever happened at least they cut it good and square looking.  @squonkif you find one bring it along if you don't mind,,,

[kpinnc 14,215]

I think the best ones look like this: 

 

If you don't like the look, you will love the sound...

[sqrlgtr 621]

@kpinnc I dont see one in your pic? I always thought the go  go/ back up stick was in a lot better position were that one is instead of between your legs.

[kpinnc 14,215]

2 hours ago, sqrlgtr said:

@kpinnc I dont see one in your pic? I always thought the go  go/ back up stick was in a lot better position were that one is instead of between your legs.

 

I removed the engagement/ brake lever. Just added a tension spring for the pulley and it's worked great for years. Two different tractors and both work well. 

 

Personal opinion here:

I've not seen a Sundstrand hydro yet that didn't have a damaged park brake pawl. This introduces metal fragments into the hydro and eventually some of it will pass through the strainer and damage the pump or motor. 

 

So I remove the linkages except the arm on the pawl itself. Let gravity pull the arm down and it never contacts the gears again. Then just add a firm spring to maintain tension on the idler pulley. This is the exact same evolution that came between the early and later Eaton systems minus the brake pawl. 

 

[ebinmaine 71,758]

3 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

I removed the engagement/ brake lever. Just added a tension spring for the pulley and it's worked great for years. Two different tractors and both work well. 

 

Personal opinion here:

I've not seen a Sundstrand hydro yet that didn't have a damaged park brake pawl. This introduces metal fragments into the hydro and eventually some of it will pass through the strainer and damage the pump or motor. 

 

So I remove the linkages except the arm on the pawl itself. Let gravity pull the arm down and it never contacts the gears again. Then just add a firm spring to maintain tension on the idler pulley. This is the exact same evolution that came between the early and later Eaton systems minus the brake pawl. 

 

 

Interesting concept. I'm not sure I'd do that here in the land of 5 months of winter though. When I cold start the K341 for snow plow duty I always let the engine warm before engaging the transmission.  All that oil is pretty unwilling to participate for a bit.  

 

 

How do you "put it in park"?

My 1978/79 has a brake drum. 

The '75 however, does not. 

 

[kpinnc 14,215]

18 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

How do you "put it in park"?

My 1978/79 has a brake drum. 

The '75 however, does not. 

 

Good point. Both of mine are hydrogears. No external brake. I probably should've mentioned that. 

 

Neither of my release levers actually stopped the belt from turning while cranking. 

[ebinmaine 71,758]

2 minutes ago, kpinnc said:

 

Good point. Both of mine are hydrogears. No external brake. I probably should've mentioned that. 

 

Neither of my release levers actually stopped the belt from turning while cranking. 

 

 

My 1975 definitely does let the belt roam free. Now that you mention it, I'm not sure about the later model.

[Ed Kennell 41,296]

2 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

 

Interesting concept. I'm not sure I'd do that here in the land of 5 months of winter though. When I cold start the K341 for snow plow duty I always let the engine warm before engaging the transmission.  All that oil is pretty unwilling to participate for a bit.  

 

Yes, I miss that easy start Sundstrand feature on my Eatons.  

[killroy 36]

12 hours ago, ebinmaine said:

Likely something like this...

 

 

That's the handle I have on my 73 16hp no name 

[squonk 43,298]

@sqrlgtr

 

 

[sqrlgtr 621]

@squonk what would be the damage for me to acquire that piece.

[squonk 43,298]

$10

[sqrlgtr 621]

K I will just take it

[HyperPete 787]

15 hours ago, killroy said:

That's the handle I have on my 73 16hp no name 

 

That's exactly what I need for my '73 16 auto!

[ineedanother 1,657]

I have a 12 Auto that I moved a k341 and hydro lift onto. It's growing on me. The 10 pinion L/S digs like none of my other tractors but I'm refurbishing an 8 pinion 1140 in case things go boom. 

[ebinmaine 71,758]

4 hours ago, ineedanother said:

The 10 pinion L/S digs like none of my other tractors

 

Don't they though?!

[peter lena 9,184]

@sqrlgtr  most obvious trouble spot for me , is the tiny bearing in that pulley , known for failure , and poor lubrication, rough  . its the COLLECTIVE  DRAG on any belt set up , that  eats it alive . its not one area , ITS EVERY RELATED  AREA , personally  like T/S aramid  drive  belts , have them on my 3 horses , they stand up , with no issues , pete