1968 or 1969 short wheelbase

[Tonytoro416 952]

This will be the next tractor I begin to restore/ put back together. I have a long history with this tractor and tiller actually. This tractor belonged to both of my grandfathers in its life time. (Lived across the road from each other). Which to me makes it special even though it doesn’t look like much nowadays. My dad remembers his dad buying it a few years old from a Wheelhorse dealer in Portland, IN. He always told dad it was a 1969. My dad remembers several details from the tractor like it being a six speed with a Tecumseh engine 10hp. Had a 42” deck on it and this tiller as well. Their garage caught fire and the tractor and tiller were in there. My other grandfather (across the road) drug it out of the garage weeks later and took to his house. There he made it usable for his needs. The original hood stand is gone along with the hood and engine. The hood stand currently on it now comes back to a lawn ranger. Guessing grandpa had it laying around so it went on there took original hood and engine off and put this large Wisconsin engine on it and tilled garden with it for years. This is why I’m not 100% sure what it is but from my digging around I believe it to be a 1968 raider 9 or a 1969 Raider 10. If anyone has any info regarding that plz feel free.  Regardless I have sourced parts to be able to put it back mostly to the way I believe it should be. So this is the next big project as you can tell it needs alot but for the most part is all there from what I can tell aside from the previous mentioned parts.  Parts I have for it aren’t CORRECT in certain terms but are era correct. I have the correct dash with cigarette lighter and white rocker switch for headlights. Dad specially remembers those features also. And solid state ignition as he remembers helping his dad pay for a new one way back. Lol 😂 said it was terribly expensive even back then.  I’m sure this will be a long one but will try and keep those interested up to date as I go

[Achto 26,576]

I'm in. 

[953 nut 51,796]

          That will be a true labor of love. Honoring the memory of both of your grandfathers is a tribute to strong family ties that seem to be eroding these days.          Your father must have gotten a bunch of seat time on that , bet he will enjoy the restoration.

 

[Tonytoro416 952]

Thank you guys.  You have no idea how much that means to me.  Yes I am lucky enough to have a couple tractors of my grandfathers. My dad did a lot of mowing with that tractor. They mowed about 3 acres.  Then once his future father in law got it he always made dad ride behind that big Wisconsin lol 

[WHX?? 46,819]

Yep...

Have you got a Kohler for it Tony? 

If not I have a K241 I would trade for that 'consin...

Edited January 5, 2023 by WHX??

[Lee1977 6,224]

I have a complete list of Wheel Horses I printed out. It only list one Raider 9 1968  model 1-6931. Are you sure it's a short frame?  Would a 42" deck even fit under a short frame?

[Tonytoro416 952]

34 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

Yep...

Have you got a Kohler for it Tony? 

If not I have a K241 I would trade for that 'consin...

I have a few Kohlers around. 10hp and a 12hp 

my dad is wanting to put a Tecumseh back on it like it once was 

34 minutes ago, WHX?? said:

[oliver2-44 8,863]

3 hours ago, Achto said:

I'm in. 

Have you though about raising the hood and keeping the Wisconsin part of its history!

[Tonytoro416 952]

4 minutes ago, Lee1977 said:

I have a complete list of Wheel Horses I printed out. It only list one Raider 9 1968  model 1-6931. Are you sure it's a short frame?  Would a 42" deck even fit under a short frame?

It’s for sure a short frame.  It was tough sourcing the correct hood.  I have a 1077 that has the same hood as I sourced for this tractor. Just the 1077 hood is about 3 inches longer

Edited January 5, 2023 by Tonytoro416

[Tonytoro416 952]

1 minute ago, oliver2-44 said:

Have you though about raising the hood and keeping the Wisconsin part of its history!

Plan on putting the Wisconsin on the bench and getting it running again.  It will live with me for a good while yet.   Does anyone know anything about that Wisconsin? Hp and that 

[Tonytoro416 952]

4 minutes ago, Lee1977 said:

I have a complete list of Wheel Horses I printed out. It only list one Raider 9 1968  model 1-6931. Are you sure it's a short frame?  Would a 42" deck even fit under a short frame?

What other options does your list have as what it could be?  Six speed and Tecumseh 10hp

[Lee1977 6,224]

22 minutes ago, Tonytoro416 said:

What other options does your list have as what it could be?  Six speed and Tecumseh 10hp

The 1-6931  1968 Raider 9 had a Tecumseh HH10 115095B and 6 speed.

There is a Raider 12 model 1-6231  1968 with a Kohler with the 6 speed.

There could be mistakes in the list, as I don't know where it came from.

 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2023 by Lee1977

[oliver2-44 8,863]

3 minutes ago, Tonytoro416 said:

Plan on putting the Wisconsin on the bench and getting it running again.  It will live with me for a good while yet.   Does anyone know anything about that Wisconsin? Hp and that 

Looks like the data plate is missing from the shroud. You would have to open it up and measure the bore and stroke to help figure out what engine it is. I have a similar looking Wisconsin on the floor in the shop right now.  I was a sucker for a $20 engine and I love the challenge of learning new engines and trying to breath life back into them) I've gathered a lot of information about them over on the Smokstak forum. Parts are fairly readily available, but can be expensive ($68 for a carb kit).  Post a picture of the carb and any name (probable Zenith) and numbers. Also if the carb is cast steel or cast aluminum.

[Pullstart 59,750]

11 minutes ago, Tonytoro416 said:

Plan on putting the Wisconsin on the bench and getting it running again.  It will live with me for a good while yet.   Does anyone know anything about that Wisconsin? Hp and that 

 

It could be an AEN, AEH, etc.  looks like the AEN on the Senior, and on my Lever Steer.  The difference, is in the years and HP ratings.  8.3 is base power though, up to about 10.  GOBS of torque are available with that long stroke 

 

 

[Pullstart 59,750]

4 hours ago, Tonytoro416 said:

Regardless I have sourced parts to be able to put it back mostly to the way I believe it should be. So this is the next big project as you can tell it needs alot but for the most part is all there from what I can tell aside from the previous mentioned parts.  Parts I have for it aren’t CORRECT in certain terms but are era correct

If you are in need of anything down the road, don’t hesitate to ask.  I have quite a bit of stuff, along with many other forum members.  I camp in Winchester ever October for the 400…

[Tonytoro416 952]

Okay yea I wasn’t able to find much info on the engine itself but I can look closer at it this evening.   Thanks 

[Pullstart 59,750]

Also, Steiner a tractor parts is a great source for Wisconsin stuff, like magneto parts.

[WHX?? 46,819]

Did you say you have a hood? if not I may have a short one for that era. 

[Pullstart 59,750]

1 hour ago, Pullstart said:

If you are in need of anything down the road, don’t hesitate to ask.  I have quite a bit of stuff, along with many other forum members.  I camp in Winchester ever October for the 400…

This tractor was a Raider 10 (Kohler) that has been dismantled for other uses.  I have all the sheet metal and some other items not needed by me if you have any needs.  It’s been ground on in areas and painted maroon but it’s there.  The engine and transmission are not available.

 

 

[Tonytoro416 952]

Yes I have a hood I believe.  It looks identical to my 67 1077 hood just shorter

[ebinmaine 63,218]

Looking forward to following along on this one.  

 

As to short or long frame...

@OldWorkHorse has a '68 Raider I used to own. 

I thought those were all long frames but I don't think I ever had a tape measure on it.  

 

Have you physically measured the frame length?

 

Any chance your family members could have/ would have done a frame change with the engine or something else?

 

Any ID tag on the tractor or any old pics?

 

 

[Tonytoro416 952]

40 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

Looking forward to following along on this one.  

 

As to short or long frame...

@OldWorkHorse has a '68 Raider I used to own. 

I thought those were all long frames but I don't think I ever had a tape measure on it.  

 

Have you physically measured the frame length?

 

Any chance your family members could have/ would have done a frame change with the engine or something else?

 

Any ID tag on the tractor or any old pics?

 

 

I have measured wheelbase.  Unless there are tags I don’t know about the one is on the hood stand but it’s not the correct hood stand.  

[Tonytoro416 952]

You guys have me questioning it now for sure    I am going to have to do some more looking when I get off work 

[ebinmaine 63,218]

31 minutes ago, Tonytoro416 said:

not the correct hood stand.  

That's has me wondering even more if the frame was changed..... 

[Tonytoro416 952]

Everything else appears to have went through the fire though that’s what gets me.  The hood stand you can tell it definitely didn’t go through a fire