1984 Work Horse GT-1600 REFRESH

[Horse Newbie 6,940]

Almost finished wire brushing the parts to be painted Satin Black, except for the dash… whole lot more fun putting the Horse back together than wire brushing and sanding… painting is pretty fun…

[Handy Don 10,703]

6 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

over the detent screw and now it looks like the screw may poke a hole in the boot

The screw seems like it is out a bit far. Is it fully seated? (Sorry about the "bare ankle" of your shifter!)

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

Just a little reminder about those hub set screws:

 

You'll never get them tight enough with an open end wrench.  They should be torqued to 25-30 ft lb.  You'll need a ratchet and an 8 point socket.

 

 

I fought with mine for years before I broke down and got the correct tool.  They don't loosen up any more.

 

OH, one more thing... use new set screws.  

 

[Handy Don 10,703]

I happened across a set of impact-grade deep 8-point sockets at a "flood sale". I thought, flood can't hurt a socket set unless you let them rust so I nabbed them. I use them A LOT!

[Horse Newbie 6,940]

40 minutes ago, Handy Don said:

The screw seems like it is out a bit far. Is it fully seated? (Sorry about the "bare ankle" of your shifter!)

I believe I have the detent screw adjusted correctly… I screwed it in… shifter was in a bind… so I adjusted it so that the shifter works without binding.

And maybe I should not have, but I did coat the ball on the shifter that the detent screws in it with a little grease.

 

I hate I have that “bare ankle” too, but I actually painted the shifter farther down than it was… I was surprised the boot did not cover it.

[Horse Newbie 6,940]

37 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

Just a little reminder about those hub set screws:

 

You'll never get them tight enough with an open end wrench.  They should be torqued to 25-30 ft lb.  You'll need a ratchet and an 8 point socket.

 

 

I fought with mine for years before I broke down and got the correct tool.  They don't loosen up any more.

 

OH, one more thing... use new set screws.  

 

I have a set of 8 point  sockets… I tightened them with an open end wrench.

 

Do you reckon I could loosen the jam nut, and check them with a torque wrench ?

Edited November 15, 2021 by Horse Newbie

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

15 minutes ago, Horse Newbie said:

reckon I could loosen the jam nut, and check them with a torque wrench ?

 

Yepper.

 

[Horse Newbie 6,940]

Just now, Jeff-C175 said:

 

Yepper.

 

Now the catch is my torque wrench is 1/2 inch drive, and my 8 point sockets is 3/8ths drive… and I’m not sure I have a 1/2 to 3/8ths adapter…

[ebinmaine 63,377]

52 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

Just a little reminder about those hub set screws:

 

You'll never get them tight enough with an open end wrench.  They should be torqued to 25-30 ft lb.  You'll need a ratchet and an 8 point socket.

 

 

 

I fought with mine for years before I broke down and got the correct tool.  They don't loosen up any more.

 

OH, one more thing... use new set screws.  

 

 

 

Jeff,

I learned a neat trick many moons ago. I was taught to ONLY do this with a wrench 🔧. Not a socket because you lose track of the clock position of the tightened screw. 

 

Tighten the set screw. Loosen it. Tighten it. Repeat this 3 or 4 times. 

As you go through the sequence you'll notice the wrench going a few more degrees each time.  That's the set screw digging in just a bit to the base where it grabs. 

 

 

Definitely agree with use new set screws. I was told by GM techs they were designed to be tightened ONLY 2 OR 3 TIMES.

Since we don't usually know what the actual usage is, just replace. 

 

Also, don't get too heavy handed on the jam nut. 

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

4 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

lose track of the clock position of the tightened screw. 

 

I don't understand why that's important?

 

Agree on the tighten loosen sequence.

 

It's dang near impossible to get 25 ft lb out of an open end wrench unless you're Popeye!

[Lee1977 6,274]

24 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

 

I don't understand why that's important?

 

Agree on the tighten loosen sequence.

 

It's dang near impossible to get 25 ft lb out of an open end wrench unless you're Popeye!

You can with a 12" adjustable. I also have a 15" adjustable if the 12 is not enough.

[Snoopy11 5,713]

1 hour ago, Jeff-C175 said:

Just a little reminder about those hub set screws:

 

You'll never get them tight enough with an open end wrench.  They should be torqued to 25-30 ft lb.  You'll need a ratchet and an 8 point socket.

 

 

I fought with mine for years before I broke down and got the correct tool.  They don't loosen up any more.

 

OH, one more thing... use new set screws.  

 

I always use my impact... never had one loosen yet... 

 

Don

[ebinmaine 63,377]

1 minute ago, Jeff-C175 said:

I don't understand why that's important?

By using a solid wrench that doesn't click back like a ratchet the exact position of stopping at "tight" is easily seen. 

Let's say you stop the wrench at 3 on a clock the first time. Then loosen and tighten again. It should stop a little further along. Repeat a few times and you'll gain several degrees. 

That's how I was taught to know the set screw is ... Set. 

 

26 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

get 25 ft lb out of an open end wrench unless you're Popeye!

 

Those unfortunate enough to have met me can confirm.... I'm ... Not small. 🐻🐻🐻

 

I actually bought a torque wrench so I'd stop overtightening and breaking bolts. 

😳😳😳

[Snoopy11 5,713]

29 minutes ago, Jeff-C175 said:

It's dang near impossible to get 25 ft lb out of an open end wrench unless you're Popeye!

Meh... for me (and Mr. P... @Pullstart) it isn't a problem of strength... it is about not stripping the darn bolts... 

 

Don

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

1 minute ago, ebinmaine said:

torque wrench so I'd stop overtightening

 

That's actually what I use mine for the most!  Not to make sure tight enough, I have no problem with that either.

[Snoopy11 5,713]

5 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

I actually bought a torque wrench so I'd stop overtightening and breaking bolts. 

Yeah, really... using an open-end for me is the equivalent of using a breaker bar... as I never know when to stop tightening if I don't use a torque wrench... 

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,713]

I should add that for those hub bolts... I have an attachment for my impact... which looks like a square socket ...believe it or not... that fits the hub bolts. I believe it is a 1/2 square... (not positive on that... but I think it is...).. 

 

De... problem is... when I need the square socket attachment... I never seem to know where it is... 

 

Don 

[Snoopy11 5,713]

Oh, by the way, my impact attachment thingy looks exactly like this... basically 2 female ends... it is called a "pipe-plug socket." I never knew it had a name until I asked Google... 

 

You can always lube-up one end to make sure it comes off the impact easier when you want to remove it... aye Jeff? 

 

 

Don

[Snoopy11 5,713]

26 minutes ago, ebinmaine said:

I'm ... Not small.

 

 

 

Don

[ebinmaine 63,377]

[Jeff-C175 7,195]

8 minutes ago, Snoopy11 said:

 

 

 

Don

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by Jeff-C175

[Pullstart 59,958]

@Horse Newbie congrats on the progress of the chassis!

 

I remember in 2018, the accomplishment I felt on Putt Putt when it finally sat down on 4 tires.  
 

To quote my build thread, “alas, I started some chassis assembly!    I have to be honest here... I see a lot of pictures similar to this, where someone posts a frame with a few parts bolted on.  Not that exciting until you realize how much work goes into getting ready for that moment!  I am proud of this pic, there's more time and effort (err... Coffee/Pabst/Coors) into this than I thought it might take!  Heading to bed early tonight, 2am has been the norm since Sunday, still up around 6 or 6:30.  Time to shut my eyes for more than a nap.”

 

Again, congrats!

[kpinnc 10,953]

17 hours ago, Horse Newbie said:

Almost finished wire brushing the parts to be painted Satin Black, except for the dash… whole lot more fun putting the Horse back together than wire brushing and sanding… painting is pretty fun…

 

Looks like black windchimes are the order of business! Always nice when the wife wants me to explain why the garage door track looks like a clothes line!

Edited November 15, 2021 by kpinnc

[peter lena 8,113]

@Horse Newbie nice going on that ,  love heim joints , my steering , pto foward lever end , snow plow , as you make up levers and linkage points ,try adding a few extra washers and grease at each point, firming them up , enhances their action , making very smooth/ easy use. pto lever , is a sloppy fit , inside end, next to battery , frame mount , added about 3/8" of washers , grease , very solid and smooth , do it , also a good time to 2 bolt flange bearing on steering column on dash flat support . get a heavier bearing on line , $  7 . use cable wrap on your wiring , and free it up with no tight bends, use cable clamps to hold it in place. dielectric grease every connection .  add a fuel check valve ,in vertical position just under your fuel pump , aluminun , on line , cheap. add ground cable 4 ga from your battery ground cable point , to lower engine corner , clutch pedal side , go from there with 12 ga wire to rectifier bolt mount , and from there to headlights , solid ground and better electrical connections over all , stuff i use , pete 

[peter lena 8,113]

@Horse Newbie nice going on that ,  love heim joints , my steering , pto foward lever end , snow plow , as you make up levers and linkage points ,try adding a few extra washers and grease at each point, firming them up , enhances their action , making very smooth/ easy use. pto lever , is a sloppy fit , inside end, next to battery , frame mount , added about 3/8" of washers , grease , very solid and smooth , do it , also a good time to 2 bolt flange bearing on steering column on dash flat support . get a heavier bearing on line , $  7 . use cable wrap on your wiring , and free it up with no tight bends, use cable clamps to hold it in place. dielectric grease every connection .  add a fuel check valve ,in vertical position just under your fuel pump , aluminun , on line , cheap. add ground cable 4 ga from your battery ground cable point , to lower engine corner , clutch pedal side , go from there with 12 ga wire to rectifier bolt mount , and from there to headlights , solid ground and better electrical connections over all , stuff i use , pete