Possible axle swap

[Bert 760]

Hey gang,

I’ve gotten all the peace’s I need to swap a 520 gear reduction steering setup into my 416, but I’m wanting to use the C195 axle I snagged off eBay. It’s narrower so the tie rods may need modifications but that’s not a big deal 

My goal is to have a hydro lift tractor that steers easy but doesn't have a wide foot print needing a 48” snow/dozer blade. Also don’t want to use a plow extension. 

I have a new extra hydro foot control on the shelf that I’m considering using on this one as well, if it comes together it outta be great worker  Any thoughts or suggestions? 

 

Edited February 26, 2020 by Bert

[wallfish 15,912]

Good Idea!

 

 

[SylvanLakeWH 24,093]

Sounds like a good idea!

 

Keep the pics coming as you progress!!!

 

[peter lena 8,038]

bert , you can use threaded rod and heim joints for linkage , found that to be very solid and smooth , heim joints are about $ 7 each and fine thread rod about $12 . pete

[Racinbob 10,271]

  I go one step further by cutting a piece of 3/8" ID tubing to fit once I get the length proper for the correct alignment. I like the idea of heim joints and the nest pair of rods will probably use them. 

 

[Bert 760]

Update, I brought the 195 axle to work and  had roughly 1/4 inch of material removed from the backside area that the axle pin runs through. That got it to fit in a typical  frame, next was to see if the 520 tie rods would fit and as I suspected they are to long. I’ll work on that later, for now here are some pics of the test fit on a 520 parts tractor or 

[Pullstart 59,571]

Those tie rods are awesome!  Cut the r/h threaded side down to size and re-thread... you’re all set!

[Bert 760]

54 minutes ago, pullstart said:

Those tie rods are awesome!  Cut the r/h threaded side down to size and re-thread... you’re all set!

Thanks, that's exactly what I did

[Bert 760]

As stated above the original 520 tie rods are now shorter, I test fitted every thing and it’s good 

The next thing will be getting this swapped over to the 416 

 

[Pullstart 59,571]

I didn’t realize 520 rod ends were ball joint style like that!  That’s automotive tough!

[Bert 760]

3 hours ago, pullstart said:

I didn’t realize 520 rod ends were ball joint style like that!  That’s automotive tough!

Yes the factory 520 steering setup is tough, but it has its flaws. I’ve used a front dozer-snow blade on a few 520’s and it sticks out so far that on uneven ground it rubs while in the raised position. 

This setup in theory will have the benefits of both, I think  missed an opportunity to offer a gear reduction unit with a straight axle utilizing the heavy 1” spindles

The catch is that C 195 axles aren't easily found and for good reason, I would fix one before parting it out and most  fans would probably agree 

Edited February 29, 2020 by Bert

[Bert 760]

It’s been awhile sense any progress was posted and that’s because I’ve been working through this shutdown.

I purchased some new wheels from Northern Tool and they fit perfectly and have the correct clearance for the mule drive 

[Pullstart 59,571]

On 2/25/2020 at 7:12 PM, Bert said:

 Any thoughts or suggestions?

 

nice S10!

[71_Bronco 1,072]

On 5/17/2020 at 2:36 PM, Bert said:

It’s been awhile sense any progress was posted and that’s because I’ve been working through this shutdown.

I purchased some new wheels from Northern Tool and they fit perfectly and have the correct clearance for the mule drive 

 

Looks like you just made it. I was going to suggest measuring everything to make sure the tires dont hit the deck or Mule Drive.

 

Looking good so far 

[Bert 760]

2 hours ago, 71_Bronco said:

 

Looks like you just made it. I was going to suggest measuring everything to make sure the tires dont hit the deck or Mule Drive.

 

Looking good so far 

Thanks, you bring up a good point about the deck. I'm pretty sure it will clear but don't know for sure yet.

[Bert 760]

3 hours ago, pullstart said:

nice S10!

Thanks, its a fun little beater

[Bert 760]

I finally got around to swapping all of the pieces on to the 416.

The process was the same as any forward swept/gear reduction job so no need to get into that.

Im pleased to share that this project turned out better than I could have hoped for  there are no clearance issues or any other negative compromises

[71_Bronco 1,072]

Looks great!

 

Only downside would be the increased number of turns for the wheel (due to the reduction), but that would be a personal preference more than anything. Doesnt really effect how it works mechanically.

Edited June 28, 2020 by 71_Bronco

[Bert 760]

1 minute ago, 71_Bronco said:

Looks great!

 

Only downside would be the increased number of turns for the wheel (due to the reduction), but that would be a personal preference more than anything. Doesnt really effect how it works mechanically.

Thanks, 

I personally like the ease of steering even if it’s more turns on the wheel,

this will be ideal for a dozer blade I think.