Stormin 9,975 #101 Posted March 19, 2020 I don't know if you lads do it, but I painted my workshop floor with floor paint. Keeps the dust down and any spillage or leak can be easily cleaned up. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 63,214 #102 Posted March 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Stormin said: I don't know if you lads do it, but I painted my workshop floor with floor paint. Keeps the dust down and any spillage or leak can be easily cleaned up. I find that to be a great idea. After we had the major oil spill in our cellar a little over a year ago they put a two-part coating down and it's fantastic for wiping up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunahead72 2,343 #103 Posted March 19, 2020 3 hours ago, rmaynard said: … Hope this helps. It certainly does, thank you! I think I'll be able to do something similar with my shed, assuming of course the Finance Department here at home approves this whole plan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeek 2,284 #104 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Not sure what your plan is as far as how you are running the electric, but I rented one of these with a backfill blade. Worked GREAT even if it hit a rock. . . threw them right out of the ditch. Granted, I'm in sand here, but you just go as slow as needed depending on terrain. I had a 100' ditch open and closed in about 2 hours. The machine is heavy so it compacts the soil after you backfill. I didn't use conduit, I used direct bury feeder wire like the power company uses for underground to homes. Mine has a 100A panel in the garage with a separate main breaker from the house, in other words not a "sub-panel". I threw a 1/2" PEX water line in the ditch while I had it open which I'm glad I did. Full pressure water at the building side now. I got a 100' roll off eBay for less than $30. Edited March 21, 2020 by Zeek 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,909 #105 Posted March 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Zeek said: Not sure what your plan is as far as how you are running the electric, but I rented one of these with a backfill blade. Worked GREAT even if it hit a rock. . . threw them right out of the ditch. Granted, I'm in sand here, but you just go as slow as needed depending on terrain. I had a 100' ditch open and closed in about 2 hours. The machine is heavy so it compacts the soil after you backfill. I didn't use conduit, I used direct bury feeder wire like the power company uses for underground to homes. Mine has a 100A panel in the garage with a separate main breaker from the house, in other words not a "sub-panel". I threw a 1/2" PEX water line in the ditch while I had it open which I'm glad I did. Full pressure water at the building side now. I got a 100' roll off eBay for less than $30. This is exactly what I plan to do. I have a 50 amp panel in the garage. Nothing of significance is running off of it except the 240 volt 20 amp air compressor, which is moving to the new building. I purchased 125 ft. of 8/2 UF-B, direct burial wire, which can easily carry 40 amps. The distance from the garage panel to the closest corner of the pole building is 94 ft. I had planned to direct bury it, but I was given 10 pieces of pvc conduit, so using that, my depth will only have to be 18 inches, or 12" if I put 2" of concrete on top of it. Unfortunately, no water will be run due to the Maryland winters. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmmdonuts 274 #106 Posted March 21, 2020 17 minutes ago, rmaynard said: This is exactly what I plan to do. I have a 50 amp panel in the garage. Nothing of significance is running off of it except the 240 volt 20 amp air compressor, which is moving to the new building. I purchased 125 ft. of 8/2 UF-B, direct burial wire, which can easily carry 40 amps. The distance from the garage panel to the closest corner of the pole building is 94 ft. I had planned to direct bury it, but I was given 10 pieces of pvc conduit, so using that, my depth will only have to be 18 inches, or 12" if I put 2" of concrete on top of it. If I were you and planning on using conduit I highly highly recommend using thhn wire. It is much easier to pull through conduit than UF wire would be. Just get spools of it or get it cut to length at either at an electrical store or the big orange or blue store. You just need red, black, white and green. One last thing if you're going to use the UF cable any reason you wouldn't run 8/3 for the 240 feed? That way you can split off lights and 110 outlets as necessary. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rjg854 10,748 #107 Posted March 22, 2020 On 3/19/2020 at 8:32 AM, rmaynard said: Nope, no drain. No slope except for the apron. The building is water-tight. Rained hard last night. Overhead door seals tight. I have installed perimeter drainage around the base of the building so water can't come in from below. I see you are in a snowy area, that's why I was wondering about snow and ice collecting on the floor with no place to drain off to. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,909 #108 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, mmmmmdonuts said: One last thing if you're going to use the UF cable any reason you wouldn't run 8/3 for the 240 feed? That way you can split off lights and 110 outlets as necessary. When my house was built in 1978, the electric service came in on two lines and a ground. In the breaker box all neutrals and grounds share the same buss. All 240 volt appliances are simply 2 lines and a ground, no neutral. The garage panel is fed from the house off a 50 amp breaker and ground, no neutral. I was planning on feeding the new building the same way off a 30 amp breaker. CORRECTION So, after posting this, I went to bed. I woke in the middle of the night thinking that something was not quite correct. So this morning I went to the electric panel in the house and traced the circuit from the breaker to the cable going to the garage. Sure enough, it was two hots, a neutral, and a ground. So I went to the panel box in the garage and it is set up with two buss bars, one neutral and one ground. As they say, the memory is the second thing to go. Having refreshed the situation, I am going to run three 8 gauge wires and a ground to the new building. Thank you @mmmmmdonuts for asking the question. Edited March 22, 2020 by rmaynard Dumbness 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JERSEYHAWG / Glenn 4,487 #109 Posted March 23, 2020 Sure is looking sweet. Cant wait for the herd to move in. Glenn Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmmdonuts 274 #110 Posted March 25, 2020 Glad I could help Bob. So are you running individual wires or the 8/3 UF now? I did have one other thing to suggest. When doing a subpanel it is often cheaper to buy a main panel instead and you get breakers that you need anyways with it. Generally you just have to buy a separate grounding bar for it. Something like this. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-Homeline-100-Amp-20-Space-40-Circuit-Indoor-Main-Breaker-Plug-On-Neutral-Load-Center-with-Cover-Value-Pack-HOM2040M100PCVP/204836397 Or this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Square-D-Homeline-125-Amp-12-Space-24-Circuit-Indoor-Main-Lug-Plug-On-Neutral-Load-Center-with-Cover-Ground-Bar-Value-Pack-HOM1224L125PGCVP/204836334 Just a thought. You can use a 100Amp breaker on the main panel as long as you have a 40Amp breaker feeding it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,909 #111 Posted March 25, 2020 1 hour ago, mmmmmdonuts said: Glad I could help Bob. So are you running individual wires or the 8/3 UF now? So, unless there is a reason why I shouldn't, I am running both the 8/2 w/ground and another 8 gauge THHN in conduit. Since I already have one, I'm thinking of driving an 8 ft. ground rod as well, and run a 6-gauge copper wire to the breaker box. There is no requirement in my jurisdiction for grounding the pole building itself. I already have a breaker box. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-BR-125-Amp-8-Space-16-Circuit-Indoor-Main-Lug-Loadcenter-with-Flush-Door-BR816L125FDP/100161980 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mmmmmdonuts 274 #112 Posted March 29, 2020 I don't see why you couldn't do it that way. I would never have thought of trying to run the wire like that but since you have it I don't think you're in a code violation. Just buy a Red Thhn wire so you have the standard color matching. Red, black - Hot White -Neutral Green/bare - ground 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 6,222 #113 Posted March 29, 2020 On 3/25/2020 at 12:19 PM, rmaynard said: So, unless there is a reason why I shouldn't, I am running both the 8/2 w/ground and another 8 gauge THHN in conduit. Since I already have one, I'm thinking of driving an 8 ft. ground rod as well, and run a 6-gauge copper wire to the breaker box. There is no requirement in my jurisdiction for grounding the pole building itself. I already have a breaker box. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Eaton-BR-125-Amp-8-Space-16-Circuit-Indoor-Main-Lug-Loadcenter-with-Flush-Door-BR816L125FDP/100161980 Code here requires 4 wires to a remote box the ground wire has to go back to main braker box. I don't agree as ground is ground not mater where it's at, but I had toput in a forth wire because it was inspected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,909 #114 Posted March 29, 2020 2 hours ago, mmmmmdonuts said: I don't see why you couldn't do it that way. I would never have thought of trying to run the wire like that but since you have it I don't think you're in a code violation. Just buy a Red Thhn wire so you have the standard color matching. Red, black - Hot White -Neutral Green/bare - ground Yep,the single THHN that I got is red. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zeek 2,284 #115 Posted April 19, 2020 On 3/21/2020 at 9:58 PM, rmaynard said: So, after posting this, I went to bed. I woke in the middle of the night thinking that something was not quite correct. So this morning I went to the electric panel in the house and traced the circuit from the breaker to the cable going to the garage. Sure enough, it was two hots, a neutral, and a ground. So I went to the panel box in the garage and it is set up with two buss bars, one neutral and one ground. As they say, the memory is the second thing to go. Having refreshed the situation, I am going to run three 8 gauge wires and a ground to the new building. This happens to me all the time (I'm sure not the only one). I wake up at who knows what time and my mind starts turning how how to do a certain task in different ways 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 63,214 #116 Posted April 19, 2020 8 hours ago, Zeek said: This happens to me all the time (I'm sure not the only one). I wake up at who knows what time and my mind starts turning how how to do a certain task in different ways No worries guys.... I only do that.... Every single day... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,909 #117 Posted June 22, 2020 It's been awhile since I last posted in this thread. I've been busy remodeling my basement during Coronavirus "stay-at-home", but on Father's Day I decided enough is enough. The horses need to move to their new home. 10 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ebinmaine 63,214 #118 Posted June 22, 2020 Looking good Bob. Tons of space in there. What are the next 14 horses you're going to buy? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,909 #119 Posted June 22, 2020 7 hours ago, ebinmaine said: What are the next 14 horses you're going to buy? Well, I was hoping to come home from the big show with a 416-H or 520-H that I can keep equipped with my 42" mower, while my current one stays equipped with the 48" blade. But not this time. Update: Renting a trencher this weekend to run electric. Wish me luck with that. Going to have to go through one of my wife's flower beds. I promised her that no harm would come to any of her treasured hydrangeas. But since I've never used a trencher, I might just be sleeping in the new pole shed this weekend. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunahead72 2,343 #120 Posted June 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, rmaynard said: .... I promised her that no harm would come to any of her treasured hydrangeas. ... What the heck were you thinking, Bob? Definitely wishing you good luck! You'll let us know how it turns out, right? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,909 #121 Posted June 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, tunahead72 said: What the heck were you thinking, Bob? Definitely wishing you good luck! You'll let us know how it turns out, right? I know, right? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,909 #122 Posted June 26, 2020 Rented the trencher this afternoon and have made significant progress. 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmaynard 14,909 #123 Posted June 26, 2020 (edited) VID_20200626_161706926.mp4 Edited June 26, 2020 by rmaynard 4 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tunahead72 2,343 #124 Posted June 27, 2020 So, have any treasured hydrangeas been harmed in the making of this trench yet? 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stormin 9,975 #125 Posted June 27, 2020 Makes a nice neat job. Beats a spade any day. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites