How Far Do You Go B4 Calling It A Lost Cause?

[12Horse Paladin 1,038]

Really...when is toomuch, when trying to save a Horse?

I know it varies for everyone...and skill and $$$ are deciding factors...both of these which i have little to spare, at this point. But i figured, doing a little at a time...i could tackle this; learn a new skillset in the process.

Now...i dunno if i bit off more than i can chew.

See, i keep running into bigger n bigger issues that do/may need addressing on this horse. Now, my Dad...could handle most, maybe all, of this, pretty easy. Im not there, yet. I also dunno howmuch cash is ccx a good idea to throw at this, just to bring it back to center.

Plan was, i have a few impilents i am not going to use i was hoping to sell, or trade, to the next WH guy to offset my costs. Somewhat. Not trying to make money. But because shipping these large items is(i know) a pain...here i set with a handful of things doing me nogood/taking up space. And now i have a snowblower thst needs a new home, too ...between just hydraulic hoses, and wanting to just replace my non working electric clutch (did check to see if it worked; believe it is cashed out), instead of going to a manual right now...these things add up, to a guy like me.

Heck, even the tires...once i saw they were original WH branded ones...well, now i wanna tube those, too, lol. And i kno that, for sure, is something i have to pay someone else to do, at this point.

(See pics, just cuz i like sharing these things)

I guess in just trying to figure the best way to look...and go about...things, from here.

And hoping i dont find more, larger, issues, as/if, i do, lol.

Thanks for listenin' y'all. 

I'm not throwing in the towel, yet.

But im hoping those of you more in the know; n yes; more capable (which truthfully is prettymuch all of you here, at this point) , might have some insigh or ideas or advice how to address some of these things.🤔

Yeah...maybe even a little encouragement, too.😉

Hope everyone has a great day.

PS: just wanted to add, i use my equipment...other than hoping to do a rattle can repaint and adding some decals at some point...i never expected, or do expect, this to be a show machine. Just an honest worker. Still, i like things close to original, and all buggered up...

 

Edited November 24, 2019 by 12Horse Paladin

[SylvanLakeWH 28,613]

Have you listed your extra stuff on the classified section here? Plenty of members in Wisconsin who might be interested...

 

I have used a lot of non Wheel Horse items I had on hand to get my second  up and running...may not be original but it’s free! Sounds like you want a worker not a show queen so I would improvise!

 

Also, my rims looked a lot worse then those and they worked just fine... I left them as is because I was going for a rat rod look, but for a worker they look just fine...around my area, tire places will do tubes or replace tires for a reasonable price. Call around...

 

 

Good luck!

[12Horse Paladin 1,038]

25 minutes ago, SylvanLakeWH said:

Have you listed your extra stuff on the classified section here? Plenty of members in Wisconsin who might be interested...

 

Good luck!

I have (listed) everything so far, except the snowblower that came with this machine. Ive even gotten a few bites...but all states away, n wanting me to ship, which is a bit of stretch for me right now. Best ive been able to offer is dropping off at my local fastenal depot, but even that doesnt seem to help move them. I thought maybe my asking prices were maybe high, but i did research the best i could the going rates before posting

*shrug*

As to the rims/tires...oh; i wasnt too worried bout the rims; just posted those pics to show the condition of the tires. They are original WH branded ones, with good tread. Just hoping the sidewall cracking doesnt make them unsalvageable...

 

And thank you for sending the luck; ill take it!😊

Edited November 24, 2019 by 12Horse Paladin

[953 nut 60,376]

57 minutes ago, 12Horse Paladin said:

Now, my Dad...could handle most, maybe all, of this, pretty easy. Im not there, yet.

Your dad wasn't born knowing everything, bet he learned it by doing things and asking questions.  Take on one project at a time and feel free to ask specific questions on here and we can provide some guidance. Good group of helpful members here.

[Retired Wrencher 5,841]

Paladin    Those tiers are good as long they hold air. when they go bad put tubes in them. Just take your time and find your way that is how most people do it.

[rjg854 12,257]

I've got  tires on some of my tractors with cracking similar to that without tubes in them.  I've been running them yet, and until they have to be replaced, I'll keep running them.  The old rule if it ain't broke don't fix it.  I even managed to clean up the rims and repaint them without removing the tires.

[12Horse Paladin 1,038]

5 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

Your dad wasn't born knowing everything, bet he learned it by doing things and asking questions.  Take on one project at a time and feel free to ask specific questions on here and we can provide some guidance. Good group of helpful members here.

You are 100% right about that; all of it!

Thankyou!

[12Horse Paladin 1,038]

4 minutes ago, rjg854 said:

I've got  tires on some of my tractors with cracking similar to that without tubes in them.  I've been running them yet, and until they have to be replaced, I'll keep running them.  The old rule if it ain't broke don't fix it.  I even managed to clean up the rims and repaint them without removing the tires.

I have done the repaint bit, yes, without removing the tires, too😊

 

[12Horse Paladin 1,038]

6 minutes ago, Retierd Wrencher said:

 Just take your time and find your way that is how most people do it.

Thankyou; i'm doing my best; thanks for the encouragement!😊

[rjg854 12,257]

I more or less just got finished battling a  rear wheel with a slow leak around the rim.  I don't know how many times I removed the tire and broke it down in order to fix that slow leak.  The last time seems to have worked.  Tires aren't cheap, and I like the idea that the originals are still holding up.  52 years later 

[WHNJ701 4,165]

when I got into restoring garden tractors I set one goal to follow, no matter what I ran into I had to do it myself.  since I don't need these machines time wasn't an issue, they are small enough to work on with taking up much room.  I learned by trial.  never took a welding or fabricating class.  I knew people asked questions and searched the internet.  and of course there is a you tube how to do everything.  over time I rebuilt some of the most horrible fence row missing parts tractors that normal people would scrap and turned them around into something.

good luck!

[ebinmaine 73,015]

52 minutes ago, 953 nut said:

Your dad wasn't born knowing everything, bet he learned it by doing things and asking questions.  Take on one project at a time and feel free to ask specific questions on here and we can provide some guidance. Good group of helpful members here.

That's about what I was thinking.

 

It's ok that you don't know.

You'll figure it out.

 

 

 

Trina and I have had our own very challenging lives until just before we met a few years ago.

Each of us  overcame those challenges in our own way.

 

 

Now we're together and have a great time building, fixing, maintaining Wheelhorses and every other thing.

 

Neither of us had the skills or some of the tools 4 or 5 years ago.

 

When it's a good value to do so we buy a tool and learn to use it instead of paying someone else to do the work.

We needed to change tires so Trina bought us a manual changer. I made up some tire spoons and bought a low pressure tire gauge.

 

There have been many other examples....

 

1 hour ago, 12Horse Paladin said:

when is too much, when trying to save ((whatever))?

I know it varies for everyone...and skill and $$$ are deciding factors........ But i figured, doing a little at a time...i could tackle this; learn a new skillset in the process

 

 

You've pretty much already answered your question.

 

 

[The Tuul Crib 7,339]

1 hour ago, 953 nut said:

Your dad wasn't born knowing everything, bet he learned it by doing things and asking questions.  Take on one project at a time and feel free to ask specific questions on here and we can provide some guidance. Good group of helpful members here.

[The Tuul Crib 7,339]

 I just picked up two charger 10s And don't know lickety squatt  about automatic transmissions so I'm gonna have to learn and hopefully from some help here at 

 . Keep trying and 

dont let  anything get in your way!! 

Baby steps!!

[oliver2-44 10,782]

If the engine runs good and the transmission seems solid, the rest can be done over time.

Post a picture of your clutch and someone on here can advise you of the best way to test it and any possible repair options.

 

@12Horse PaladinI have 2 electric clutches that I got with a pile of items. They are stored at the farm/barn 2 hours away.  The next time I am down there I will pull them out and compare to what you post a picture of. I don't know much about these clutches either. But we'll both get some advise/lessons from others.  If yours is toast, and one of mine is the right one for you, its yours for the cost of shipping.  One of the wonderful things I've learned is we have the greatest members on Redsquare.  Others on here have helped me out with parts, so now maybe I can pay it back.  

Edited November 24, 2019 by oliver2-44

[pfrederi 18,716]

25 minutes ago, oliver2-44 said:

If the engine runs good and the transmission seems solid, the rest can be done over time.

Post a picture of your clutch and someone on here can advise you of the best way to test it and any possible repair options.

 

@12Horse PaladinI have 2 electric clutches that I got with a pile of items. They are stored at the farm/barn 2 hours away.  The next time I am down there I will pull them out and compare to what you post a picture of. I don't know much about these clutches either. But we'll both get some advise/lessons from others.  If yours is toast, and one of mine is the right one for you, its yours for the cost of shipping.  One of the wonderful things I've learned is we have the greatest members on Redsquare.  Others on here have helped me out with parts, so now maybe I can pay it back.  

 

 

Wheel horse Electric PTO are pretty much all the same .  They may require different push off bolts.  They came in 1" an 1-1/8" even that is not a big deal as you can swap out the hub part (as it rarely  fails)

[Guest 88vic]

2 hours ago, The Tool Crib said:

 

Crib, I know the answer to his question already.  

[wallfish 18,244]

You might be better off buying a mini tire changer machine instead of paying someone else to tube those tires. Ask your father if he will split the cost and also use a 20% off coupon to go even less expensive. Then you will be able to do your own plus charge your father to do his and make the money back. Now you'll have the ability to do more in the future and it cost you zero over time.

https://www.harborfreight.com/mini-tire-changer-61179.html?_br_psugg_q=tire+changer

 

Advertise your unwanted attachments on local craigslist. It's free and most likely to attract local buyers so there's no shipping hassles. What are you asking for the attachments? If your price is too high no matter what you think they should be, they won't sell if other options for less expensive items are out there. Take the time and search craigslist for those exact parts or attachments. If others are for sale then that will give you a better idea of what they are selling for. Just because they are listed at a price, doesn't mean they are selling at that price so look at how long they have been advertised

 

1 hour ago, oliver2-44 said:

If yours is toast, and one of mine is the right one for you, its yours for the cost of shipping.  One of the wonderful things I've learned is we have the greatest members on Redsquare.  Others on here have helped me out with parts, so now maybe I can pay it back.

Even though this has absolutely nothing to do with me, thank you for being part of what makes this forum what it is!

[12Horse Paladin 1,038]

1 hour ago, oliver2-44 said:

If the engine runs good and the transmission seems solid, the rest can be done over time.

Post a picture of your clutch and someone on here can advise you of the best way to test it and any possible repair options.

 

@12Horse PaladinI have 2 electric clutches that I got with a pile of items. They are stored at the farm/barn 2 hours away.  The next time I am down there I will pull them out and compare to what you post a picture of. I don't know much about these clutches either. But we'll both get some advise/lessons from others.  If yours is toast, and one of mine is the right one for you, its yours for the cost of shipping.  One of the wonderful things I've learned is we have the greatest members on Redsquare.  Others on here have helped me out with parts, so now maybe I can pay it back.  

Here are the pics i have; maybe this'll clear thst up...and thank you for your kind offer! If that ended up happening, i'd be most grateful; would gladly pay something though...

As to testing that, clutch, my Dad was able to; no click. So unless i should try something else, i dunno.

 

[12Horse Paladin 1,038]

@wallfish...thanks for your input, once again. I do plan on checking my prices yet, again, and listing a few other places as well, just have not gotten that far....

[Blackhood Bill 722]

• @12Horse Paladin I’m just beginning this adventure down the wheel horse addiction. I’m 57 years and never really paid attention to when my dad rebuilt his Kohler engine on the wheel horse I grew up mowing with, but I now have 2 running and 1 I’m going to rebuild. I said I’m going to rebuild, my wife was not happy with that but I told her that it’s not something I have to do tomorrow, it may take a couple of years for all I care. My point being is that after finding out what these machines can do I’m not getting rid of them. So don’t give up, take your time, spend only what you can afford, do research while your in between the extra cash flow and it will come out to your satisfaction in the end. Plus you will have the same knowledge you thought your dad had. Good luck I wish you all the best. I know I’m enjoying all the frustration and that when my horse is done it will have been worth it all!!!!!

[pfrederi 18,716]

14 minutes ago, 12Horse Paladin said:

Here are the pics i have; maybe this'll clear thst up...and thank you for your kind offer! If that ended up happening, i'd be most grateful; would gladly pay something though...

As to testing that, clutch, my Dad was able to; no click. So unless i should try something else, i dunno.

 

 

 

 

Sorry when I told how to test and hear a click I didn't realize your PTO had been taken apart.  The part in the last picture and on the chair is the field coil.  Use you multimeter to check for continuity between the two leads.  You should show 3-4 ohms.

[Achto 29,433]

 @12Horse Paladin It is easy to get discouraged when you buy some thing and feel that you can't use it right away. I usually pick up tractors for under $200, this way I expect them to be a POS. There are a few ways to go about getting your tractor ready, I'll share 2 different ways that I've used.

 

First my C145 - I bought this tractor drove it around a while kicked a few "shoe man" (cobbler) repairs out of it and now I'm using it as a snow plow tractor. The hubs are tight on the axle so I have not looked at them any further. One "shoe man" repair that still remains is the alligator clip that connects the spark plug wire to the spark plug, doesn't seem to effect the performance so I'm not too worried about it. It ain't purty but it seems to be holding together.

 

Then there is my Raider 12. I bought this tractor & left it sit for a bit before doing any thing with it. Then I decided it would be a good tractor for mold board plowing. @WHX24 was having a plow day at his house and of course I waited till the last minute to throw a few Band Aids over some issue that it had and drug it over for a plow day.

 

The results were not exactly satisfactory. Most of my Band Aids held but I shook out a whole bunch of other issues and before the end of the day it died do to a charging issue. There was only one way to tackle this tractor. Turn it into a pile of parts & start over,

 

Here is the end result.

 

Now I know you're thinking "That's great but I'm not looking for a show tractor" Well I'm not one bit afraid to work this 'ole girl like a rented mule. It has spent most of its new born life dragging a Brinly plow through the dirt.

 

Don't get discouraged & if you find some thing completely out of your realm that I might be able help you out with, I'd be happy to. Heck we don't live that far apart.

[953 nut 60,376]

5 hours ago, pfrederi said:

Use you multimeter to check for continuity between the two leads.  You should show 3-4 ohms.

If you don't have a meter you can connect one wire on the clutch part to the "-" of a 12 volt battery and the other wire the "+" and see if it will become magnetized. If the coil inside is good it will spark a little when you connect the second wire.

[Pullstart 67,082]

I’m not sure if it was posted what you gave for your Charger, but I call it far from a lost cause!  Unless you need this thing yesterday, be patient on the bits and pieces you want to upgrade.  As far as the tires, a tube job is fairly easy.  You only need to break one bead.  Do you have any big c-clamps?  You can clamp a piece of 2x4 on each side of the beads and one will pop.  Spoon the tire off that Sid e of the wheel, or just shoehorn the tube between the wheel and tire then re-assemble and inflate.

 

I don’t have anything with the electric clutch, but does anyone know if one from say a vertical shaft lawn mower might work?  Maybe one of those could be easy to obtain?