Service Weekend on 3 Horses

[WildmanC120 613]

Started yesterday by pulling in the 416-H. I have not done anything with this machine since I picked it up and get it running.  Decided to go threw some stuff on it and really give it a good look over. It was in desperate need of having all the fluids changed since who knows when they were last done.  It also spent the last 5 or so years outside in a field.  She was treated to a new Napa Gold 1410 and Rotella in the trans.  Engine got a new Napa Gold filter and also some fresh Rotella. The oil drain pipe on the engine was leaking at the block and was really lose, So I removed the engine mounting bolts, jacked it up and took care of that.  She is starting to grow on me.

Next up is the C-161 with the Predator.  I changed the engine oil not too long ago so not going to worry about that.  Who knows when the last the trans was ever done.  I picked this tractor up last October and it too was sitting outside for awhile and not running,  I should have changed the trans oil then but she became my daily use tractor right away and I "just never got around to it".  Not sure how old this filter is that came off but its a Wheel Horse Filter.    While its in the basement I am installing a new class 3 hitch setup from WHPAM. It's a very nice looking setup.  I am going to use the hitch as a way to install one of those small travel racks and put a few of the tube sand bags on it for winter.  This is my snow blowing machine and I have a 44" 2 stage to install on it. 

After this I can bring in my C-160 and change the trans oil in that.  I also only picked up this tractor a year or 2 ago and never changed the oil.  I fail sometimes when it comes ti general maintenance.  Just sometimes if it isn't broke...don't fix it. 

[peter lena 9,316]

that 4 4  two stage is a mechanical minefield without regular maintenance, i would go after any belt tension movement point with lubrication to insure its moving freely and also go after rusty movement points. the pto lever system could probably use some oil also to increase its function. i know i harp on lubrication very often , but i am astounded to see anyone talk about a driven unit that is not well set up. i use chain and cable fluid on my 36-42 and it spins by hand very easily.   jmoo, pete

[WildmanC120 613]

1 hour ago, peter lena said:

that 4 4  two stage is a mechanical minefield without regular maintenance, i would go after any belt tension movement point with lubrication to insure its moving freely and also go after rusty movement points. the pto lever system could probably use some oil also to increase its function. i know i harp on lubrication very often , but i am astounded to see anyone talk about a driven unit that is not well set up. i use chain and cable fluid on my 36-42 and it spins by hand very easily.   jmoo, pete

 

Thanks. I'll have to keep that in mind.

[WildmanC120 613]

Well I got everything done I wanted to plus more.  I was able to fix the seat on the 416.  Bought that new seat and all the holes didn't line up and where it was mounted was too close to the wheel. Was able to dig outta my trash the rusted sliders/adjusters from old seat and got them working again. Then drilled some new holes, taped them and got it mounted.  This tractor is much more comfortable when you can sit on it and your belly doesn't rub the wheel haha.  Hopefully my PTO bearing comes this week and I can use this machine for the first time.  I've got 1 more mow in my front yard before the end of the year and would like to try this on my 48" deck. 

 

Had a little photo shoot since all 3 were out of the shed.  You can bring 3 horses to water but you can't make them drink!.

 

416 walk around and cruise around my property

 

 

[Bill D 2,281]

I knew you were going to like that machine once you got it running.  Check thru the electrical next.  Check the 9 pin and the fuse block.  I had a melted fuse holder on my 416.  The relay under the battery for the starter is also a problem.  The five pin relay gets corroded from battery acid, then the engine won't crank.  I had to pull the wiring harness on mine and clean all the connections.  Remember the condenser goes on the positive side of the coil.  Bill

[WHX?? 51,916]

Real nice piece of property you have there Wildman...and horses to go with it! 

[Retired Wrencher 5,841]

WildmanC120    Nice tractors and area been thru there many times in my younger days. Enjoy them all. 

[WVHillbilly520H 10,376]

Wish my lil slices of heaven were nearly as flat and level as yours. I do miss a stream/creek running through near my property. Very nice plot you have there a compact like my eMax would be the cat's meow there.

[WildmanC120 613]

11 hours ago, Bill D said:

I knew you were going to like that machine once you got it running.  Check thru the electrical next.  Check the 9 pin and the fuse block.  I had a melted fuse holder on my 416.  The relay under the battery for the starter is also a problem.  The five pin relay gets corroded from battery acid, then the engine won't crank.  I had to pull the wiring harness on mine and clean all the connections.  Remember the condenser goes on the positive side of the coil.  Bill

Thanks Bill.  I'll check it out. My headlights do not work and I don't know why as the wiring looks intact.  So I gotta look into that. 

[lynnmor 7,858]

Looks like a 72" zero-turn property to me.  How many hours to mow it now?

[WildmanC120 613]

3 hours ago, Retierd Wrencher said:

WildmanC120    Nice tractors and area been thru there many times in my younger days. Enjoy them all. 

Thanks. Its a beautiful area. I'm right between 2 historic covered bridges. 

[WildmanC120 613]

1 hour ago, WVHillbilly520H said:

Wish my lil slices of heaven were nearly as flat and level as yours. I do miss a stream/creek running through near my property. Very nice plot you have there a compact like my eMax would be the cat's meow there.

It's actually not as level as it looks. The stream is at the bottom and it gradually goes up on both sides. 

 

I only just bought the house in March but it will probably be forsale again this spring.  So...you could own that beautiful 3.1 acres here in lovely VT 

[WildmanC120 613]

21 minutes ago, lynnmor said:

Looks like a 72" zero-turn property to me.  How many hours to mow it now?

Na it doesn't take me that long. It only takes 2.5-3 hours with the 60" deck and 3-3.5 hours with the 48" deck.  That's of course hustling and not stopping for lunch and stuff.  

[tom2p 2,394]

1 hour ago, WildmanC120 said:

Na it doesn't take me that long. It only takes 2.5-3 hours with the 60" deck and 3-3.5 hours with the 48" deck.  That's of course hustling and not stopping for lunch and stuff.  

 

I also cut a around 3 acres - most times with a 416-H with a 48" deck 

 

also takes around 2-5 - 3 hours ; little longer with 42" deck 

 

 

416-H and similar (520-H, etc)  - while not as as fast as zero turn - are much quicker / big improvement compared to a tractor with smaller engine with manual transmission 

 

takes me close to 1 hour more to cut entire yard with 312-8

 

Edited October 27, 2019 by tom2p

[WVHillbilly520H 10,376]

3 hours ago, WildmanC120 said:

It's actually not as level as it looks. The stream is at the bottom and it gradually goes up on both sides. 

 

I only just bought the house in March but it will probably be forsale again this spring.  So...you could own that beautiful 3.1 acres here in lovely VT 

I'm good but thanks for the offer.   And seriously more level than where I live.

[WildmanC120 613]

2 hours ago, tom2p said:

 

I also cut a around 3 acres - most times with a 416-H with a 48" deck 

 

also takes around 2-5 - 3 hours ; little longer with 42" deck 

 

 

416-H and similar (520-H, etc)  - while not as as fast as zero turn - are much quicker / big improvement compared to a tractor with smaller engine with manual transmission 

 

takes me close to 1 hour more to cut entire yard with 312-8

 

Sometimes a zero turn would be nice but honestly a waste of money I believe. It's very expensive and cannot be used for anything else unlike my horse. I'm not so sure that the little bit of time saved is worth it. Plus I just enjoy using my horses. 

 

I do not own any gear drives.  I could see where it would be handy in certain situations but not having hydro lift is a huge turn off to me. 

[WildmanC120 613]

58 minutes ago, WVHillbilly520H said:

I'm good but thanks for the offer.   And seriously more level than where I live.

 

That's a nice spot you have there too. You definitely have a little more hill then I do though. 

[Bill D 2,281]

I am curious how bad the taxes are there.  Where I am in NY a plot of land like that would have $15k in taxes.

 

Also, before you mow with the 416 make sure you have the oil filter gasket is place.  It helps keep that rear cylinder cool.  You can lose a lot of air from around that oil filter without it. 

 

The headlights run thru the 9 pin connector. Mine had a bad headlight switch from sitting outside.  Electrical gremlins see to be the biggest problem on Onan powered tractors.  Bill

  

[WildmanC120 613]

20 minutes ago, Bill D said:

I am curious how bad the taxes are there.  Where I am in NY a plot of land like that would have $15k in taxes.

 

Also, before you mow with the 416 make sure you have the oil filter gasket is place.  It helps keep that rear cylinder cool.  You can lose a lot of air from around that oil filter without it. 

 

The headlights run thru the 9 pin connector. Mine had a bad headlight switch from sitting outside.  Electrical gremlins see to be the biggest problem on Onan powered tractors.  Bill

  

I am a New Yorker. I am 36 and was born and raised there for the last 36 years. I am from the Albany/Saratoga area and lived there my whole life.  I only just moved to VT this year in March.  I broke up with my girlfriend of 11 years and was ready for a change and to get out of the communist cesspool of NY.  

 

My house is 1000 square foot single story ranch, I have a full walkout basement which I can drive my tractors Into.  I'm on 3.1 acres and have the steam. I'm right on the NY/VT boarder behind the Bennington battle monument. I still work in Malta NY and drive back and forth.  My taxes are only $2,900 a year. House and land was 139,900. 

 

What is this oil filter gasket you speak of?  The engine has all the metal shrouding in place so I'm not sure that this gasket is.  

 

As for the headlights, I checked all the fuses and they were good. There are only 3.  I removed the 2 plugs from the back of the switch and tried jumping them and no lights.  Also tried sending 12v down each wire disconnected from the switch and still no lights.  

 

I hate electrical issues!!!! I went to school for electrical and work in a tech/electric field and hate it lol   

 

[WVHillbilly520H 10,376]

1 hour ago, WildmanC120 said:

 

What is this oil filter gasket you speak of?  The engine has all the metal shrouding 

 

As for the headlights, I checked all the fuses and they were good. There are only 3.  I removed the 2 plugs from the back of the switch and tried jumping them and no lights.  Also tried sending 12v down each wire disconnected from the switch and still no lights.  

 

 

https://www.jackssmallengines.com/jacks-parts-lookup/part/onan/1220502?gclid=cj0kcqjwgnxtbrc6arisaipp7rsduqi8wqg-a2vhkm0y4vwuksj7xb-iwdp8x8iznhp8ohzttm8j0i4aakkyealw_wcb ... This the gasket it goes over the oil filter sealing it to the engine shroud after its installed to keep the debris out of the engine ... Now as for the headlights maybe the bulbs are actually shot , try running jumper wires directly from the battery to the wire tabs on the back of the bulbs if they aren't shot or the brass connections aren't broken they should light up... If the brass tabs are broken you could solder to repair.

[Bill D 2,281]

That gasket keeps cooling air from escaping from around the air filter.  It helps to keep the rear cylinder cool. 

 

With taxes that low I may have to look at Vermont for retirement, in 15 years.

[WildmanC120 613]

2 hours ago, WVHillbilly520H said:

https://www.jackssmallengines.com/jacks-parts-lookup/part/onan/1220502?gclid=cj0kcqjwgnxtbrc6arisaipp7rsduqi8wqg-a2vhkm0y4vwuksj7xb-iwdp8x8iznhp8ohzttm8j0i4aakkyealw_wcb ... This the gasket it goes over the oil filter sealing it to the engine shroud after its installed to keep the debris out of the engine ... Now as for the headlights maybe the bulbs are actually shot , try running jumper wires directly from the battery to the wire tabs on the back of the bulbs if they aren't shot or the brass connections aren't broken they should light up... If the brass tabs are broken you could solder to repair.

Thanks I'll have to grab one. 

 

Also thinking about modifying the brackets on the back side of the rear cylinder to promote more air flow.  The bracket on question holds the belt cover and modifying the belt cover. 

[WildmanC120 613]

18 minutes ago, Bill D said:

That gasket keeps cooling air from escaping from around the air filter.  It helps to keep the rear cylinder cool. 

 

With taxes that low I may have to look at Vermont for retirement, in 15 years.

 

Yes it's great and a beautiful place but resale is tough.  There are not a lot of "paying" jobs so makes it tough. 

[Bill D 2,281]

Sounds like Central New York. 

 

Modifying the belt cover should solve the air flow issues.  The P220 is more prone to dropping valve seats than the p216 is.

[tom2p 2,394]

make sure to clean debris (leaves, grass, etc.) that will accumulate on the shroud 

 

also - if the engine surges (or similar) - gotta get this fixed 

 

surging could indicate a lean condition ; one or both of the cylinders could then run abnormally hot and this could lead to failure