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Thanks Garry. That part you couldn’t read says “SPEC. NO. “ . I looked at the PartsTree doc, and with two exceptions everything seems to be the same. Exhaust/muffler is different, and the vent from the crankcase is just a piece of 3/8 fuel line that is clearly a “recent” replacement. 
 

I know that the engine was swapped in shortly before my PO bought the tractor. That was about 1997. Bill D’s point is well taken regarding durability under a side load. This engine could well have been intended for use in a generator, or something else with only a straight-on horizontal load.

 

Before asking questions, I try to find if the info exists in other posts or the library here. I’m still learning to refine my searching techniques, and have found helpful info on this project, as well as my 161. I appreciate the manuals. I found the service manual in another post in the electrical section here, but lost it when I tried to download it. I’m new to this iPad thing after decades of using a PC with windows in one form or another. I was able to download these and find them again.👏 Now.... if there’s an IPL or service manual for the 195........

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I’m back with an update. I drained the engine oil to the proper level, and the breather tube “spitting” diminished significantly, but not completely. I rewired the engine. I ran a new fuel line, and replaced the tank grommet and fuel shutoff, but need to flush the tank. I’m running it off an old mower tank for now. The safety switches are still bypassed, and the rectifier wiring is original. The headlights work, but still need to be rewired. Tailiights don’t work yet. The prior owner was cleaning out his garage and found the air filter cover, so a few bucks saved. 
 

I replaced the filter and filled the tranny. I moved the tractor forward and backward about ten yards each way four or five times. Everything works smooth. The tractor creeps in neutral, and will need adjusting. The brake pad lining is gone, and the brake doesn’t move to make contact with the wheel. Not sure yet if it needs adjusting or If a part is missing. I need to recheck the compression. The tranny oil all leaked out through the wheel seal. I’ll soak the hub with Kroill and let it steep for the winter. Hopefully I’ll have the same luck it had with the engine last winter.
 

So, I was making good progress for a few weekends. Ever hear the old saying “ life is that thing that happens while you’re making other plans”? About 6 weeks ago, right before we were heading to the camp for 2 weeks, my wife encountered a medical problem . Tests and procedures are ongoing.  I went up this weekend to pull the boats and begin the shutdown process. A second trip will complete the process in the next few weeks. No WH work for the rest of this year. Thanks everyone for your help, and rest assured I’ll be back in the Spring to pick brains .

 


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953 nut
9 hours ago, Phil902 said:

I drained the engine oil to the proper level, and the breather tube “spitting” diminished significantly,

I have run into the same thing. Did the oil smell like gas at all? Fuel pump on top of the engine can leak gas into the oil.

 

:scared-eek:                Love those scented candles!                :occasion-partyblower:                       :confusion-confused:           They do sort of typify 2020!                   :confusion-questionmarks:

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WHX24
10 hours ago, Phil902 said:

breather tube “spitting”

Mine does the same thing and does smoke abit so I'm thinking rings are getting loose. Have yet to do a compression or leak down test.... almost afraid too. Have a line on KT series II so see how that pans out. 

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Phil902
12 hours ago, 953 nut said:

I have run into the same thing. Did the oil smell like gas at all? Fuel pump on top of the engine can leak gas into the oil.

 

:scared-eek:                Love those scented candles!                :occasion-partyblower:                       :confusion-confused:           They do sort of typify 2020!                   :confusion-questionmarks:


No gas in the oil. The overfill was fully on me. I’m hoping the rings were stuck. I may still get to do a compression check to see if they’ve come up at all if not, Spring. 

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Phil902
11 hours ago, WHX24 said:

Mine does the same thing and does smoke abit so I'm thinking rings are getting loose. Have yet to do a compression or leak down test.... almost afraid too. Have a line on KT series II so see how that pans out. 


Mine smoked The first time I started it, I think mainly from the concoctions poured in the cylinders to free it up. Smokes a little bit now, but less Than I expected. Good luck chasing your lead. 

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WHX24

Thank you Phil. It would come out of a Cub that mounts 90 deg out from ours so have to see if it would even work. 

Oh sure it would smoke alot if things were dumped in it to free. 

I used some oil additive to help seal rings but not a fan of liquid tune ups so see what shakes. 

Try MMO if you have stuck rings. It can't hurt. 

Sounds like you had to do all of what I did.... complete rewire. Mine had all of the safety switches gone which is a good/bad thing.

Prayers for your Missus. 

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Phil902
10 minutes ago, WHX24 said:

Thank you Phil. It would come out of a Cub that mounts 90 deg out from ours so have to see if it would even work. 

Oh sure it would smoke alot if things were dumped in it to free. 

I used some oil additive to help seal rings but not a fan of liquid tune ups so see what shakes. 

Try MMO if you have stuck rings. It can't hurt. 

Sounds like you had to do all of what I did.... complete rewire. Mine had all of the safety switches gone which is a good/bad thing.

Prayers for your Missus. 


I used 50/50 acetone and ATF in the cylinders from last October thru May. That got them to turn a little. Kroil for just a few hours freed them the rest of the way. I’ll probably put them to bed with a little more Kroil for the winter. Thanks for the prayers.

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953 nut
11 hours ago, Phil902 said:

50/50 acetone and ATF

Acetone is so volatile that you probably had 100 % ATF after the first day.

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Phil902
11 hours ago, 953 nut said:

Acetone is so volatile that you probably had 100 % ATF after the first day.


I’m sure. My uncle was a master mechanic who owned a service station. He told me about the mixture for freeing stuck nuts and bolts etc. His preferred tool for them was his torch, but heat wasn’t always an option, and the best I can do is MAPP gas. He said the acetone thinned out the ATF long enough to take it deeper into tight quarters where the lubricating properties of the ATF went to work. I find it works for me almost as well as Kroil, at a much lower cost. I know some people like to thin it with mineral spirits. I’ve never tried that. 

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Bill D

Prayers for your wife.  Fill the motor to the top with MMO.  Let it sit for the winter.  That should free up any stuck rings.  Drain it and crank it over with the plugs removed in the spring.

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Phil902
5 hours ago, Bill D said:

Prayers for your wife.  Fill the motor to the top with MMO.  Let it sit for the winter.  That should free up any stuck rings.  Drain it and crank it over with the plugs removed in the spring.


Thank you. So for the MMO procedure, drain it and fill it with MMO until it bleeds , then put a BIG honkin’ sign on the steering wheel that says.   “DRAIN THE MMO FIRST !!!! “ ...... sound about right? 

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WHX24

Never heard of that one Bill would something like kerosene work too? What keeps it from weeping out the gaskets?  

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Phil902
1 minute ago, WHX24 said:

Never heard of that one Bill would something like kerosene work too? What keeps it from weeping out the gaskets?  


Maybe I misunderstood. Would getting the pistons roughly halfway between TDC/BDC and filling the cylinders to the top be correct?

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Bill D

I was thinking to fill the motor to the top with MMO and let it sit.  Over the winter the MMO should seep past the rings and free them up if they are stuck.  In the spring drain the crankcase to the proper level, then remove the plugs and crank the engine over to blow the oil out of the cylinders.  Drain the crankcase the rest of the way and refill with the proper oil.  I wouldn't use kerosene as it might damage seals.  I have not personally done anything like this.  It's just a thought I came up with to try freeing stuck rings and clean the inside of the engine.  I would like to know if anyone had actually done something like this.  Bill

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AMC RULES

From my experience, you pull the plug, and fill it with diesel.

Will free that engine up with the quickness. 

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