Put a loader on my 416-8

[Red Power 60]

I saw in my "hello gents"  topic in introductions a fella named wallfire? had a loader on his 416-8.

 

If and when I ever find a loader, how usable would it be?

 

I would be using to load cow/horse manure out of the barn. 

 

Only a couple times a year. 

 

Where would the hydraulic power come from? Belt driven add-on pump?

[Red Power 60]

Sorry, was wallfish!

[ebinmaine 73,025]

 

@wallfish

John is the fellas name. Good dude.

I don't have a loader on any of my rigs yet but lots of us do.

The others will be able to answer your question better.

I just wanted to chime in to "mention"  John's handle and also follow along to see what the other answers will be.

[857 horse 2,588]

John wallfish,,,,,,Quite the artist,,,,what a talent he has.......Steel in Art......He will be at the 2019 Wheel Horse BIG SHOW next week..........

We are sure he will bring something very cool.......

 

Lucky i can go....Hope you can make it...

He's a good guy/////////////////  Good luck making it...!!!

 

Howard 857 WheelHorse

 

[RandyLittrell 3,906]

 

I have a loader on my 1277 and they would work great for what you want. It will pick up more that you are able to do anything with. My son and I dug out our old retaining wall and put a new one in with it. They wont dig like a skid steer but we would use a tiller to loosen the soil then remove it with the loader. As you can see, we used the loader to lift the railroad ties which are danged heavy! I will not be without one as long as I am able to walk! 

 

 

 

Randy

[RandyLittrell 3,906]

Here you can see the finished wall and the new fence my daughter built. I have a bad back and my kids help out a lot! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Randy

[lynnmor 7,859]

I picked up and moved a huge walnut stump yesterday.  It was so larger that more than half was outside the bucket.  I started to get off to take a photo, but the dang thing lifted the rear wheels, so no brakes and no photo.  I used that thing numerous times this year with all the tree damage.

 

Keep in mind that you should have the larger front spindles to carry heavy loads, I have destroyed the wheel bearings even with the heavy spindles.

[wallfish 18,244]

A small loader for garden tractors would work well for what you want one for. They do come up for sale every once in a while but you need to be persistent and quick on the draw to get one as they sell fast unless ridiculously over priced. The alternative is to build your own if you have some basic metal tools and a welder. We are always here for any questions or guidance if you do want to build one. 

The hydraulics are run by a belt to a separate add on pump.

[Red Power 60]

Thanks gentlemen!

 

Weren`t the garden tractor loaders built by an independent company/companies?

 

The search is ON!

[MalMac 1,332]

Here is one of mine on a C141 doing the chore you described. Loading out manure. Also the loader got transferred to a 414-8 with steering reduction on it. The loaders through the years were made by different companies. This one is a Ark, the last ones were Kwik-way. Earlier ones I believe Johnson’s. 

Edited June 11, 2019 by MalMac

[ebinmaine 73,025]

35 minutes ago, MalMac said:

Loading out manure.

Whatta load o crap....

 

 

 

 

 

[953 nut 60,393]

The loader I have is a Johnson Workhorse and works very well. The loader will come with a continuous sub-frame that runs from front to rear and transfers the loader weight and force to the axles so it won't damage the frame of the . The pump is driven from the PTO of the engine. You will need to add weight to the rear end to have good traction, loaded tires help a lot.

 

[Red Power 60]

What can I expect to pay for a complete loader with a pump?

Don`t care if it`s rusty or needs fixing. 

[Skipper 1,789]

1000-1500 is what I have seen them go for in usable condition.

 

You could build a new for that or less, and then it would be.......................new

Edited June 12, 2019 by Skipper

[ebinmaine 73,025]

4 hours ago, Red Power said:

What can I expect to pay for a complete loader with a pump?

Don`t care if it`s rusty or needs fixing. 

If you have the skills and tools to build one that might be your best bet.

 

Like Skipper says, he has seen them for over $1,000. Here in Maine I've seen them anywhere between $1,400 on up to about $2,500. Just for the loader. Forget the tractor.

 

There are several people on this site who have built their own and could give you an idea of what the raw materials and plans would cost.

 

[RandyLittrell 3,906]

I gave $1500 for mine with a 1277. If you buy one thats on a tractor and working, you are getting a known quantity. If you buy just the loader, you may have to repair cylinders, pump, etc. You can always sell the tractor to recoup some money if you don't like the tractor its on.

 

I had no intention of leaving it on the wheel horse because I thought they were not a good tractor when I bought it. I was going to move it to one of my cub cadets, but I came to really like the WH and found this place!!

 

The cubs may be a little more heavy duty in some ways, but I find the WH community much more friendly and the 1277 has taken 3 years of abuse!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Randy

Edited June 12, 2019 by RandyLittrell

[Red Power 60]

Would there be a lot of changing to take a loader from a C-161 to put on my 416-8?

Yeah, I know I`m a PIA!

[JCM 10,251]

Before I sold my Kwik-Way loader last October I had used it on 3 WH tractors a 520-H  417-8  and a C-165 and was no problem going from one to the other.

[MalMac 1,332]

Is the C161 a 8 speed or hydro? If it’s just a 8, there will be no problem. I took mine off a C141 and put it on a 414-8. You will need the heavy duty spindle kit or just covert it to a 520 swept front axel with steering reduction. That’s the best way to go. Trying to turn a tractor with a loader on it is a bear, not to mention the chance of breaking a fan gear are good. You can use the conventional fan gear steering, but you must keep in mind you must be in motion to turn it. If not you will break something. The 520 reduction steering and all of its parts are easier to find than the HD spindle kit. 

[cschannuth 3,817]

I built my own and it would have been cheaper to find one to refurbish even though my FIL had a lot of the steel I got for free. However, building my loader is one of the most satisfying things I’ve ever done. It took about 16 months but it was worth it to me. And, I’ve been amazed at how capable it is. 

[Red Power 60]

2 hours ago, MalMac said:

Is the C161 a 8 speed or hydro? If it’s just a 8, there will be no problem. I took mine off a C141 and put it on a 414-8. You will need the heavy duty spindle kit or just covert it to a 520 swept front axel with steering reduction. That’s the best way to go. Trying to turn a tractor with a loader on it is a bear, not to mention the chance of breaking a fan gear are good. You can use the conventional fan gear steering, but you must keep in mind you must be in motion to turn it. If not you will break something. The 520 reduction steering and all of its parts are easier to find than the HD spindle kit. 

It`s an 8 speed

[Red Power 60]

9 minutes ago, cschannuth said:

I built my own and it would have been cheaper to find one to refurbish even though my FIL had a lot of the steel I got for free. However, building my loader is one of the most satisfying things I’ve ever done. It took about 16 months but it was worth it to me. And, I’ve been amazed at how capable it is. 

That sir is a thang-o-beauty!

[cschannuth 3,817]

50 minutes ago, Red Power said:

That sir is a thang-o-beauty!

 

Thanks. It looks better in the pics than it does in real life but I like it.