99 314-8 not starting on new battery

[rwmastel 47]

Hi.  Tractor was running fine when parked 5 weeks ago.  Tried to start it and not enough juice in old Die Hard.  Would crack a couple turns and stop.  Not unusual.  Charged for 4 hours and still nothing.  Unusual. Bought some weird brand battery at TSC.  Hooked it up and now starter won't engage.  See attached. 

 

Suggestions? 

 

Thanks, 

Rodd

 

Edited December 26, 2018 by rwmastel

[pfrederi 18,628]

When you say not engaging.. do you mean the starter motor spins very fast but doesn't move the flywheel?  ff so you probably need to clean the bendix...

[The Tuul Crib 7,339]

Check all connections positive and negative make sure they're clean  

[Achto 29,346]

11 minutes ago, The Tool Crib said:

Check all connections positive and negative make sure they're clean  

 Also check to see if they are hooked up properly. I acquired a tractor once that would crank but not start, turns out the PO had hooked the battery up backwards. Hooked it up correctly & it's been running good ever since.

Edited December 26, 2018 by Achto

[rwmastel 47]

17 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

When you say not engaging.. do you mean .....

 

That's kind of why I attached a video with sound. 

[rwmastel 47]

8 minutes ago, Achto said:

 Also check to see if they are hooked up properly. 

Like I said above, ran fine when parked a few weeks ago.  Starter engaged and slowly turned over 1 or 2 compressions on old battery 2 days ago.  Had low voltage on gage, battery wouldn'ttake a charge.  Now the behavior in video with new battery.  Both batteries had red + connector on right (drivers seat perspective) and I don't think I could reverse those cables if I tried due to length. 

[pfrederi 18,628]

Can't see your video

 

 

[Skipper 1,789]

works fine here. Relay slams, current flows, and that's it. no starter action

 

Oh and from the volt meter readings, it seems the battery is hooked up right, and providing enough juice.

 

1 suggestion would be to move the flywheel by hand just a bit

Edited December 26, 2018 by Skipper

[rwmastel 47]

4 minutes ago, pfrederi said:

Can't see your video

Oh, it uploaded fine, but used my phone to make video and post. Sorry to hear that. Turning the key produces a metallic clank, like the post is extending from the starter and impacting against the flywheel, but nothing spins.

Edited December 26, 2018 by rwmastel

[Achto 29,346]

11 minutes ago, rwmastel said:

I don't think I could reverse those cables if I tried due to length. 

 Not my intent to belittle, some times things can just get over looked.

 

2 minutes ago, rwmastel said:

the starter and impacting against the flywheel, but nothing spins.

Are you able to turn the engine by hand?

[rwmastel 47]

1 minute ago, Achto said:

Are you able to turn the engine by hand?

I've had this for 2 years (first riding mower/tractor) and never tried that.  How would I go about that?  I understand how to do it on a car.  Do all the engine cover plates come off and there's a big nut inside the starter ring?  (In April I had to replace the electrical thing that rides by the ring and generates spark.)  Turn clockwise or counterclockwise?

[Achto 29,346]

7 minutes ago, rwmastel said:

How would I go about that?

 

if yours has a grass screen over the fly wheel that does not spin when the engine is running then you will have to remove it & you should be able to turn the flywheel with your hands. If the screen spins while the engine is running then you should just be able to palm it and see if it will turn.

 

My reason for having you do this is, sometimes the bendix will get wedged when the starter receives low voltage. Also have had mice pack a flywheel full of nuts over night. Either of these can lock the engine up. 

Edited December 26, 2018 by Achto

[rwmastel 47]

Thanks! Will check tomorrow. 

[gwest_ca-(File Mod) 11,435]

If all else fails click on the picture

Garry

[Ed Kennell 41,762]

If you put the transmission in neutral, then engage the PTO, you should be able to turn the engine over by turning the PTO pulleys by hand.

[953 nut 59,704]

As Ed said, another way to turn the engine by hand is to engage the PTO and turn the output by hand.

17 hours ago, rwmastel said:

Tried to start it and not enough juice in old Die Hard.  Would crack a couple turns and stop. 

If it would turn over with the old battery it should turn over with a new one. 

[rwmastel 47]

RESOLUTION

 

Since the weather turned bad back when I had this initial problem, I ended up letting the tractor sit in the shed until spring.  So, I dug into it after work the other day and I ended up finding the same old problem as last spring.  Mouse nest behind engine cover plates with insulation chewed on coil wire.  I fixed that and it fired right up.  No, I don't think there was a mouse nest in there in December, but maybe.  Either way, it's resolved now with a new wire.

[squonk 43,689]

I was reading through this and thought " mouse nest" Honest!!!