GAJoe 852 #18251 Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) @peter lenaI began servicing the PTO . I added washers to the PTO linkage to take some slop out as Peter recommends. I cleaned the grease out of the cone needle bearing getting it ready for the Extra-Heavy Lucas but before putting the new grease I wanted to do something with the outer ball bearing. The large snap ring is just flush with the outer surface; not in a groove. It that how others are or has something happened to mine? I replaced the small snap rings: the original were tired and not going back to the original circumference. That outer bearing is smooth but feels dry if you know what I mean. I'd love to get some of the new high temp grease in it if possible but the seals are metal and don't seem to want to come out. Any suggestions on how to get new grease into it? I guess I could replace it but the Napa near me doesn't have the replacement in stock. Edited January 14, 2023 by GAJoe 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18252 Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) On 1/12/2023 at 5:37 PM, GAJoe said: Picked up two new 4ply front tires from the Tractor Supply Seasonal Clearance for half price. I began changing the front tires. The first one that I tackled was one that leaks down slowly. I got the old tire off and found rust on the bead mating surface. I put a wire brush in my drill and got the rust and paint off. I primed it with Self-Etching primer then put a coat of white enamel on it. I'll let it cure at least 24 hrs in the house and try to mount the new tire on it. Hope it holds air without a tube. Edited January 14, 2023 by GAJoe 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18253 Posted January 14, 2023 11 hours ago, 8ntruck said: Pull that large snap ring holding the outer ball bearing and make sure that both sides of the groove are really there. It should be inset some .060" to .080" from the end of the bell. The PTO bell on the C195 I bought recently was also flush to the outside edge of the bell. Turns out that the end of the PTO bell was worn down that far! The clip groove did not have an outer edge on it. Had to replace the bell. Might be possible to machine a cap to replace the outside edge of the groove. I'm guessing that the pin that connects the PTO arch to the stub shaft in the bell broke or was somehow rubbing on the end of the bell, wearing it down. I can't say what happen with the PO but I don't see any sign of wear on another part just the end of the cone. And they look original. I took the center pin out and replaced the snap rings. I tried to remove the bearing by tapping it with a large brass rod. It wouldn't budge. I plan on putting all back together as it was with fresh grease in the needle bearing. The bearing isn't going anywhere without a press being used. The parts that apply the pressure to engage the pully are all there. So I think it will be fine. I would like to get some grease into that bearing if possible. It may have some. It spins smoothly but as cold as it is I would expect to feel some resistance as if the grease was cold. If I do press the bearing out I probably would have to replace the cone/housing. If the bearing starts grinding I will plan on replacing it and the cone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18254 Posted January 14, 2023 20 minutes ago, lynnmor said: Go to a different NAPA or check TSC. That is a common bearing that isn't expensive, just toss them and forget about greasing. With the end of the cone apparently worn to the snap ring groove I'm going to put off the bearing replacement until needed; I probably have to replace the cone also when I do so that a snap ring can hold the new bearing in. My WH funds need some recovery time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18255 Posted January 14, 2023 1 minute ago, squonk said: They don't have a PP204RR6 in stock? I'll call and check but the web page says no; but you know that can be wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18256 Posted January 14, 2023 3 minutes ago, GAJoe said: I'll call and check but the web page says no; but you know that can be wrong. Called them. They do not but refered me to another store. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18257 Posted January 14, 2023 18 minutes ago, ebinmaine said: Joe I've likely got at least a couple few spare PTO bells. You pay the freight and they're yours. I really do appreciate that! I will gladly pay freight. Let me know how much and how I need to. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18258 Posted January 14, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said: My 312, 417, and 520s are on the top. I'll move it. That's how it was when I got it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18259 Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ed Kennell said: My 312, 417, and 520s are on the top. I went to move the hairpin and found this. I couldn't see the pin on top in my picture either. I'll see if a washer will go between the bracket and the pin. Edited January 14, 2023 by GAJoe more info 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18260 Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) I think that I got grease into it with the help of a Carrier coffee cup / koozie. It has a top that screws off to put a canned drink into it and replace the gasketed top to prevent condensate (sucking the cold out of the can contents). Well it just so happens that the end of the bell on the PTO is slightly smaller than the gasket and a perfect sealing fit. Look at the pictures and see what I dreamed up. Cleaned bearings. plugged the hole Added air fitting to the koozie. applied the grease Sealed the koozie and pressurized it over the bell to force grease in if it can go . Something went intothe bearing to force this old grease out on the interior. Time will tell. Edited January 14, 2023 by GAJoe 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GAJoe 852 #18261 Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, squonk said: Hope you didn't get too much grease in there. It will end up on the clutch plate. I put about the same that was in. Worked it into the needle bearings and a little along the sides to the roller bearing. I figure that the centrifugal force when it's spinning will distribute an even layer the full length that hopefully will not be thicker than the seal is. I can keep an eye on it. Edited January 14, 2023 by GAJoe 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lee1977 7432 #18262 Posted January 15, 2023 (edited) The wear on the end of the coneIs usually caused by a worn or bent spiral pin in the loop or the c-clip came out of the short shaft. Those c-clip grooves do wear out I have replace the short shaft 2 times in the last .46 years on my C-120. Edited January 16, 2023 by Lee1977 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
