Tgtack 779 #1 Posted May 30, 2017 Sometimes, one really wonders "why" would someone do that? Here are some recent examples, let's see yours! 1 & 2, let's add plates inside the head stand gas tank mount, for no apprent reason! 3, let's drill holes in the frame for a motormount, don't use them, and weld it down instead! 4, not quite sure where the motor mount holes should be, so let's just cut slots in the frame! 5 & 6, dang it, I hate throwing away that broken wheel hub, let's just weld it to the end of the axle (who cares if it is straight)! 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slammer302 2,156 #2 Posted May 30, 2017 I had a work horse gt 1642 that someone welded the hub's and they really burned the weld in good and it leaked from the trans seals super bad but I would of had to hack it up to fix. I think I could do a two page post on the wheel horse abuse I've seen during my wheel horse buying adventures. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,910 #3 Posted May 30, 2017 Three pages here Slammer but a Tg...sorry but I neglected to take pics of abuse....only the fixes! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6bg6ga 272 #4 Posted May 30, 2017 It just goes to show that you can't fix stupid. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysLookin80 1,308 #5 Posted May 30, 2017 I hate when people buy these old tractors just for the money to make on them. It's like basicly selling to a scrap yard because they tear them down and part Them out and in my opinion that's not being in the hobby or a collector. What really kills me is when a guy also has a bunch of cool old tractors and just buys them and packs them away in a trailer or barn and does absolutely not one thing with them. No shows, no restores, nothing. Let's them sit and rust away more. Shame but oh well in the end not my business what someone else does with their stuff. 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slim67 2,809 #6 Posted May 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, J.A. said: I hate when people buy these old tractors just for the money to make on them. It's like basicly selling to a scrap yard because they tear them down and part Them out and in my opinion that's not being in the hobby or a collector. What really kills me is when a guy also has a bunch of cool old tractors and just buys them and packs them away in a trailer or barn and does absolutely not one thing with them. No shows, no restores, nothing. Let's them sit and rust away more. Shame but oh well in the end not my business what someone else does with their stuff. I know a guy like that. You can't take it with you when you die. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysLookin80 1,308 #7 Posted May 30, 2017 Yeah I know the feeling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tgtack 779 #8 Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, J.A. said: I hate when people buy these old tractors just for the money to make on them. It's like basicly selling to a scrap yard because they tear them down and part Them out and in my opinion that's not being in the hobby or a collector. What really kills me is when a guy also has a bunch of cool old tractors and just buys them and packs them away in a trailer or barn and does absolutely not one thing with them. No shows, no restores, nothing. Let's them sit and rust away more. Shame but oh well in the end not my business what someone else does with their stuff. The guy I bought the stuff from had started on both tractors, but work and family got in the way, so he sold everything. That said, I have four other tractors, two 857's, a 1276, and an 854. One of the 857's is my yard tractor, and I am currently working on the 1276 for the June show. The others will get worked on this fall. The two tractors I got in the parts deal, was a Raider 10 with a tore down Tecumseh 10hp, and a Commando 8 with no engine, and no tranny. Both are incomplete, and have other issues. The frame from the Raider is going into my 1276 as it's frame had been broken numerous times, and is going to need a lot of metal work to save it. I am contemplating swapping the 6 speed tranny into one of my 857's, and then I may repair the Commando frame (the pic with the slots cut in it) and use the extra 3 speed to make a rat rod along with some of the other parts. I know I am going to have left over stuff, eventually I will pass it on to someone who can use it, hopefully here on the forum. Edited May 30, 2017 by Tgtack 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6bg6ga 272 #9 Posted May 30, 2017 Some of the collectors buy them simply to get them running and turn a profit. Maybe they should just pass a law that says you can only own one Wheel Horse at a time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,523 #10 Posted May 30, 2017 That poor Stallion! What was one thinking? Beautiful welds too. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlwaysLookin80 1,308 #11 Posted May 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, 6bg6ga said: Some of the collectors buy them simply to get them running and turn a profit. Maybe they should just pass a law that says you can only own one Wheel Horse at a time. That's even ok. At Least the tractors are getting a second shot at life and getting back to a collector. Edited May 30, 2017 by J.A. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tgtack 779 #12 Posted May 31, 2017 57 minutes ago, Tankman said: That poor Stallion! What was one thinking? Beautiful welds too. I plan on saving the Comando frame, will put in a thin backer piece and weld up the slots and grind it back flush. It's head stand is another story, it has serious stress cracks, and one side that bolts to the frame is broken off and missing. Even the fender pan is messed up, someone cut a huge rectangular section out of the middle where the seat mounts. Both of them had the nicest front axles and pivot pins I have seen. One of them is going to replace the seriously worn out axle on my 1276. There was a lot wrong with them, but they do have some nice pieces. The Raider has one of the tightest fitting straight hoods I have seen so far. Too bad it has the headlight cutout, or it would be going on my 1276. The steering shaft and fan gear on the Commando had very little play as well. Unfortunately, neither tractor had their serial ID plates (that I have found yet), and the solid state ignition on the 10hp Tecumseh is toast. The main reason I bought all the parts, was for an extremely nice pair of vintage General Tire "All Grip Traction" AG tires that will eventually wind up on my 854. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebo-(Moderator) 8,541 #13 Posted May 31, 2017 Looks like he has a welder.... lol 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,523 #14 Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) 1st Horse, 40 or so years ago. Was a basket case. At the time, worked in a sheetmetal shop building chemical tanks. Felt like Johnny Cash, fab'd one piece at a time. 316 stainless steel under the new paint. https://www.bing.com/search?q=johnny+cash+cadillac+song&form=IENTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=0e21d63b6a074a7dcb021451ff2d0485&sp=2&ghc=1&qs=AS&pq=johnny+cash+cad&sk=AS1&sc=8-15&cvid=0e21d63b6a074a7dcb021451ff2d0485 Dealer said, "What is this? A magnet won't stick?" My 1st Horse. Mid 70's. Edited May 31, 2017 by Tankman 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6bg6ga 272 #15 Posted May 31, 2017 So its better to buy them get them running and make a hefty profit selling them but its not ok for the junk man to buy one and part it out? This makes no sense. The junk man is also doing a service. The junk man may be providing parts to say 20 people looking for parts to finish their tractors. How is this so bad? One tractor fixes 20 whereas maybe one tractor gets put back together. 34 minutes ago, Tankman said: 1st Horse, 40 or so years ago. Was a basket case. At the time, worked in a sheetmetal shop building chemical tanks. Felt like Johnny Cash, fab'd one piece at a time. 316 stainless steel under the new paint. https://www.bing.com/search?q=johnny+cash+cadillac+song&form=IENTHT&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=0e21d63b6a074a7dcb021451ff2d0485&sp=2&ghc=1&qs=AS&pq=johnny+cash+cad&sk=AS1&sc=8-15&cvid=0e21d63b6a074a7dcb021451ff2d0485 Dealer said, "What is this? A magnet won't stick?" My 1st Horse. Mid 70's. While I can applaud the work how can you claim its a wheel horse if for example its 50% stainless steel. Wouldn't it be a copy? Kinda like a pro mod. A pro mod resembles a car but in reality the body is carbon fiber or fiberglass. So, a pro mod with a GTO body on it is it a GTO? Whereas a true GTO is 100% GTO with a steel body. A true Wheel Horse would be 100% true and anything else well it would be a pretender wouldn't it? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tgtack 779 #16 Posted May 31, 2017 Years ago, when I was restoring antique boats, some of the very early late 20's and 30's boats were almost impossible to find in a salvageable condition. Wood rots, metals rusts. The Antique and Classic Boat Society realized they had to make an allowance to encourage people to save these gray boats as they were called. If you could locate an original and use it as a pattern boat, the Society would classify it as an original if you provided documented proof of ownership of the pattern boat, and then, either saved the piece of wood that carried the serial number (usually cut into the top of the keel), and embedded it into the new keel in the proper location. Or in lieu of the serial number, documented where you actually utilized at least one original complete wooden componet (a rib or some other piece), they would document it as an original. Sometimes, allowances have to be made to save vintage equipment. This could easily apply now to some of the very early models, and parts and tractors for the late 50's and early 60's models are getting harder to find. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tgtack 779 #17 Posted May 31, 2017 11 hours ago, stevebo said: Looks like he has a welder.... lol Yes, I do, and unlike what was in the pictures, I know how to weld! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tgtack 779 #18 Posted May 31, 2017 While I was digging through the boxes of piece parts last night, this is what I came across. The ID plate for a Model 1-6931, Serial #466813, which is a 1968 Raider 9 (odd because they had a 10hp Tecumseh and some they had either Raider 9 or Raider 10 decals). So, I guess this means that I am obligated to do a restore for this one since it made it into my possesion. So, once I finish the repair on the other frame to use for it, it will stand in the corner until my 854 is finished this fall. Now I guess I am going to have to rebuild that Tecumseh! I also did find what appears to be the complete speed attachment plates AND the complete bell crank assembly used for the belt drive to the 42"SD deck for that year. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nxt2doc 51 #19 Posted May 31, 2017 Could be interested in some of those left over 1267 parts. Wanting to finally get some work done on m old girl. LMK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tgtack 779 #20 Posted May 31, 2017 57 minutes ago, Nxt2doc said: Could be interested in some of those left over 1267 parts. Wanting to finally get some work done on m old girl. LMK I have a 1276, not a 1267, but it is getting a restore, so I am not parting it out. I may have some Commando parts left over once I go through everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,523 #21 Posted June 1, 2017 13 hours ago, 6bg6ga said: While I can applaud the work how can you claim its a wheel horse if for example its 50% stainless steel. Wouldn't it be a copy? Kinda like a pro mod. A pro mod resembles a car but in reality the body is carbon fiber or fiberglass. So, a pro mod with a GTO body on it is it a GTO? Whereas a true GTO is 100% GTO with a steel body. A true Wheel Horse would be 100% true and anything else well it would be a pretender wouldn't it? The SS parts were exact copies for which I could've used CRS. CRS would rust, eventually unusable. Start over. The Horses I fab'd parts for are 100% Stallions. Should I remove the SS hardware too? Guess the Grandsons wouldn't care one way or another as long as they're driving. Put the Never-Seez away while I'm at it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6bg6ga 272 #22 Posted June 1, 2017 Like I said before you do great work but if you have fabricated the parts yourself in my mind you cannot call them 100% horse but rather a copy. A very good copy nun the less but still a copy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankman 3,523 #23 Posted June 1, 2017 (edited) 23 minutes ago, 6bg6ga said: Like I said before you do great work but if you have fabricated the parts yourself in my mind you cannot call them 100% horse but rather a copy. A very good copy nun the less but still a copy. Guess the belt guards, although perfect match and fit, got to go? The coarse skateboard tape on the foot rests is a no-no. Forget aftermarket decals. OMG! I'm using Huskee Kevlar belts from TSC! Shame on me! Not in the biz sellin' Wheel Horses, keeping them sharp and working. Perhaps I would be better off with a 100%'er from Home Cheapo? Edited June 1, 2017 by Tankman 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WHX?? 51,910 #24 Posted June 1, 2017 12 hours ago, Tgtack said: Years ago, when I was restoring antique boats We're glad you switched to 9 hours ago, Tgtack said: I have a 1276, not a 1267 I guess we just have to find you a 1267 now then! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tgtack 779 #25 Posted June 1, 2017 40 minutes ago, Tankman said: Guess the belt guards, although perfect match and fit, got to go? The coarse skateboard tape on the foot rests is a no-no. Forget aftermarket decals. OMG! I'm using Huskee Kevlar belts from TSC! Shame on me! Not in the biz sellin' Wheel Horses, keeping them sharp and working. Perhaps I would be better off with a 100%'er from Home Cheapo? They look dang good to me! 3 minutes ago, WHX11 said: We're glad you switched to Yep, a whole lot less upkeep! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
