TravelinJavelin 620 #1 Posted February 20, 2017 ok after studying these models for quite some time now..do the hydraulic pump have any down pressure if for say you had a snow plow on or not? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 51,768 #2 Posted February 20, 2017 The cylinder is a double action cylinder, but it hasn't got the type of down pressure that will push your blade down. There is a built in bypass to limit the strain on the pump. You can see the system on page 10 of the manual. Tractor 1963 953 OM IPL Wiring #123.pdf 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TravelinJavelin 620 #3 Posted February 20, 2017 thank you very much there 953 nut! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lane Ranger 10,495 #4 Posted February 20, 2017 (edited) I am going to disagree with 953 nut on this one. The 953/1054 hydraulic pump and cylinder if properly operating should be able to lift the front end wheels of your tractor off the ground. The 953/1054 was one of the heaviest early Wheel Horse tractors but a good operating pump and lift cylinder on the tractor with proper amount of hydraulic fluid should eaily be able to lift the tractor off the ground while pushing the snowplow downward. The pressure in the system is above 300 lbs psi from everything I have read. The 953/1054 plow had a hard lift piece on it that allowed the pump to use its pressure in that way, Here are three pictures of a New Old Stock hard lift for the snowplow/dozer blade used on the 953/1054. Edited February 20, 2017 by Lane Ranger 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #5 Posted February 20, 2017 Do you know what the size of the lift cylinder is? (approx diameter?) The newer systems (starting at least in the mid 1970's) run 700psi on a 1.5" cylinder i believe, generating somewhere around 1200 lbs of outward force at the end of the rod, so if it is approx the same as the newer cylinders then you would only get about 500 lbs of force at the end of the rod @ 300psi. I could see where after years of use the older system might not be able to give much down force, even if maybe it could lift the front up when it was new.... Also, the newer systems have the cylinder extend for downforce, I have seen older systems work backward (retract for downforce) which would reduce the capacity quite a bit due to the area of the rod in the cylinder. I dont know which one the 953/1054 is. Just some food for thought! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lane Ranger 10,495 #6 Posted February 20, 2017 Brandon: The original 953.1054 lift cylinder is ten inches by 1 3/4 on the main cylinder. I heard that at least 300 PSI up to maybe 350 was the output. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 51,768 #7 Posted February 20, 2017 5 hours ago, Lane Ranger said: disagree with 953 nut on this one. Feel free, just going on the systems on mine, none of which have been rebuilt. I know they have pressure in the downward direction but wasn't sure if it was that great. 5 hours ago, Lane Ranger said: The 953/1054 plow had a hard lift piece on it that allowed the pump to use its pressure in that way, never saw one of those before. I use a chain to connect the snow plow to the rocker shaft. I'll have to look for one of those thingies! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TravelinJavelin 620 #8 Posted February 21, 2017 well everyone its been quite a education for sure on the horse version now on cubs late 60's version of the same pump they claim there's 400 psi and what ever else but anyways I enjoy everyone's input on this thank you very much 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOB ELLISON 2,976 #9 Posted February 22, 2017 @Lane Ranger are the lift cylinders rebuildable on the 1054 ? I looked at mine and I don't believe it is. Also I sat my pump on my work bench and the spool valve fell into the tank about 2 inches and now I think I'll have to open it up to get it back to top. I probably should open it any ways to clean it . inquiring minds want to know. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lane Ranger 10,495 #10 Posted February 24, 2017 Take it to a good reliable hydraulic shop. I have one that is sealed and has not yet been rebuilt but they tell it can be done and they reweld it. Some of the 953/1054 cylinders were screw-in types -not welded. Lowell S. (wheelhorseman1000 Vendor on Red Square) bought two from me last year at the Big Show in Gettysburg to rework. I am not sure what he learned by that process. I plan on having the one extra on my workbench redone at a hyraulics show that does a lot of industrail and mining hyraulic equipment repair. Bob: The big Snap ring must have come off your spool valve and I believe you can still get those. You can change the O ring and the shaft oil seal when you have yours apart. Look on Wheelhorseman1000 's Vendor website for his 1054/953 hydraulic parts. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 51,768 #11 Posted February 24, 2017 The pump and cylinder on 953s are basically the same as the HY-2 and 3 and the manual for them is a lot clearer than what is in the 953 manual. The cylinder can be taken apart by unscrewing the pipe thread fittings at both ends. As Lane said, you can get repair parts from Lowell. http://www.wheelhorseman1000.com/product-p/hy-es.htm 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheelhorseman 3,199 #12 Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) On 2/21/2017 at 6:46 PM, BOB ELLISON said: @Lane Ranger are the lift cylinders rebuildable on the 1054 ? I looked at mine and I don't believe it is. Also I sat my pump on my work bench and the spool valve fell into the tank about 2 inches and now I think I'll have to open it up to get it back to top. I probably should open it any ways to clean it . inquiring minds want to know. Yes it is I have done many! When I was reading this thread I realized that I did not have an ad for this on my store so here is a http://www.wheelhorseman1000.com/product-p/00010.htm Edited February 24, 2017 by wheelhorseman1000 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lane Ranger 10,495 #13 Posted February 25, 2017 Well now that I see Lowell's ad -that is where I am sending my cylinder ! $57 is a bargain for a rebuilt one ! And we all know Lowell does great work ! We are very lucky to have someone of the caliber of expertise doing what he is doing ! 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOB ELLISON 2,976 #14 Posted February 26, 2017 On Friday, February 24, 2017 at 6:17 PM, wheelhorseman1000 said: Yes it is I have done many! When I was reading this thread I realized that I did not have an ad for this on my store so here is a http://www.wheelhorseman1000.com/product-p/00010.htm That's great to know. I haven't started on the hydrolics yet but when I do I'll definitely use you for this. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marreque 200 #15 Posted February 26, 2017 I know I'm a little late to this party but my 1054 would lift the front tires off the ground with ease when the plow was put down too far. Also the rear hitch would lift small trees to skid out of the woods. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmsgaffer 2,043 #16 Posted February 27, 2017 Lowell @wheelhorseman1000 is becoming a one stop shop with reasonable prices to boot, I love it! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TravelinJavelin 620 #17 Posted February 28, 2017 another question on these hydro pumps in real cold weather are you suppose to run a thinner oil or not? also what grade does the wheel horse recommend I know on cubs it says 10 weight oil now is that 10w itself or like 10/30 or 10/40? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
953 nut 51,768 #18 Posted March 1, 2017 I have used ATF with no problems for a dozen years or more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TravelinJavelin 620 #19 Posted March 1, 2017 ok good to know thanks there nut! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Wellwood 28 #20 Posted December 25, 2018 On 2/24/2017 at 5:17 PM, wheelhorseman said: Yes it is I have done many! When I was reading this thread I realized that I did not have an ad for this on my store so here is a http://www.wheelhorseman1000.com/product-p/00010.htm Broken link. 😟 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wheelhorseman 3,199 #21 Posted December 25, 2018 9 minutes ago, Jay Wellwood said: Broken link. 😟 New https://www.wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/hydraulics.html#!/Welded-cylinder-repair/p/84932539/category=23548048 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jay Wellwood 28 #22 Posted December 26, 2018 On 12/24/2018 at 9:49 PM, wheelhorseman said: New https://www.wheelhorsepartsandmore.com/hydraulics.html#!/Welded-cylinder-repair/p/84932539/category=23548048 Thx! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites